Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
yes, i am an attorney. and if you follow my posts here you will see that i, as well as other attorneys, and conservative legal pundits, disagree with the result here. laws have led to unjust results before in our history, as has been pointed out repeatedly.
I'm being harsh in my rhetoric and I am apologize to all who may be offended by it. That said, we need to have frank talk as a nation about when the heroic measures need to stop.
I have friends who have bankrupted themselves to the detriment of other family members over false hope.
Sorry, I thought we were talking about Terri here. You can't decide for everyone what acceptable levels of well-being are. It is up to them, or their legal guardian. Leave trying to rule the whole world to the likes of Randall Terry.
You have posted a grave misinterpretation of my line of questions--I am simply looking for a concensus of the minimum societal contribution, maximum utilization of resources that are acceptable.
Happy to say, paramedics err on the side of life.
Exactly--and what better place to begin the conversation that in this forum?
You just don't happen to agree with them. I do.
sw
I, for one, so agree w/you
1,000%.
That is the most frightening part of this issue. Not to mention that Felos & his cronies changed the laws here in Florida to get to this end game.
I thank you for your hard work and noble ambition in this line of work.
Please speak to where we should stop or if there is a stopping point to your thinking.
Thank you. I am getting weary of being lambasted.
Be well, sw
"...i would hope that you would not judge those that disagree with what you find acceptable to be irrational, unhinged, or lawless"
Never said that, never thought that....so please don't put words in my mouth. If you thought I did...then I apologize.
The example I used was bombing abortion clinics as an act of lawlessness that is unacceptable to me.
Killing a Dr. who performs abortions(because that was the original example used) would be an act of lawlessness that is unacceptable to me.
ANYTHING done outside the law....
But speaking out against a law, disagreeing with a law, working to change a law, are all within acceptable parameters for me.
I don't sit in judgement....but I may form a judgment (which is simply an opinion) of those that go beyond those parameters.
sw
Thanks.
The Schindlers are appealing to SCOTUS.
BACK TO THE USSC!!!
Hi there Mo...on the question of whether or not Terri was actually, deliberately following that balloon...I have worked with about several young people who were diagnosed in PVS...every single time, that I provided cared for them, I had to chart as to whether or not they responded to me, did they track or follow me with their eyes, did they try to talk, etc. etc...
Most of the time, they did none of the things I have described...however, I do remember one time, when one of these young people appeared to track or follow me with his eyes, as I walked past the end of his bed... it was the only time he had ever done that, and I charted as much about him....so I am sure, that if someone had been filming him all that particular nite, this one snippet would have shown up, and it would appear to show that he was purposely tracking me...but in reality, it was probably just a random movement of his eyes, which happened to coincidentally correspond to exactly where I was at...but if they watched him for the other 8 hours of that nite shift, they would have seen him, as I had seem him most of the time...eyes wide open, eyes shifting and moving randomly, seemingly unable to focus on anything...I care for him for well over a year, for 8 hrs a nite, 5 days a week, and in all that time, that was the one and only time I ever saw him track me with his eyes...
I am not saying that is what is here in the Terri Shiavo film, just saying, relating what I have seen...
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