Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
that is understandable, but i would hope that you would not judge those that disagree with what you find acceptable to be irrational, unhinged, or lawless.
Well, and her doctors and neurologists, of course.
You aren't being honest with yourself or anyone when you deny the real issue is Mrs. Schiavo's cognitive level.
How do you figure? I'm the one who said she has no cognitive level and that is, in answer to your previous question, the level I'd set.
I'm not sure what you want me to stop. Still looking for the minimum daily requirements for societal contribution, function, and cognition.
I hope not. The GOP can read the tea leaves (I hope)and see there is not poular support for such legislation.
I've already told my congress critter to butt out...
No & no. She has little hearing.
Cannot follow a command.
Her sight is impaired as well.
For who? Terri?
Plus a permanent family Congressional Seat ala the Fords(Memphis) and the Clays(St. Louis). It will get handed down from generation to generation.
yes towards ending life indiscriminately or towards preserving it against someone's will. i suppose we each must choose which we fear more.
Could you please provided guidance as to who, IYO, should or should not be resuscitated?
Find one single post where I have mentioned his name.
This issue isn't about one woman. It is about determining the minimum level of acceptable societal contribution and maximum consumption of resources.
I want the whole idea that "living" is wrapped up in breathing as living scotched.
I want infants and others who have a hope for a normal life to have access to the funds that are being squandered on TS and others like her.
Again, all have value but when is enough enough?
for anyone
A court has determined, over and over, that it would be her wish not to live like this.
It is a nearly universal wish. I've stood, as most of us have, at the bedside of people hooked up to tubes and machines and invariably, the person standing next to me says "Don't let that happen to me."
When the doctors tell you that there is nothing else that can be done, most of us wish that our loved ones would go on in peace and live their lives and let us go. Most of us.
For those who do not wish that and want to live like Terri, indefinitely, they need to make that wish known, in writing, to all their family members.
And now I must run and make dinner.
I have said many times that I don't wish TS's death. You're an attorney. Do you want to circumvent a case that has been vetted till the cows come home because you disagree?
This wholesale wish to overthrow state and federal constitutional law is the crux of the issue.
Is right indeed.
I've been waiting for someone to post that fact.
It's not about whether you mentioned Randall Terry. It's about your comment that one sentence uttered by one person would be this thread's manifesto.
And, as I pointed out, one statement out of two threads that have nearly 8,000 comments will not stand as the manifesto. LOL
But nice try at changing the argument.
And although some people might make the argument about societal contributions, that has not been my argument at all, and you know that.
And now I have a hungry husband who has been all too patient.
Though you have the right to your opinion
That I find to be a disturbing comment
Your position has been her lack of cognitive function. Now, how does that not correlate to societal contribution and utilization of resources?
Nauti-Nurse doesn't care if Terri is totally brain dead, just as long as her body can be kept alive. Can't argue with that mentality.
sw
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