Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
Actually, the judges have seen
and heard all the medical evidence
since the day 9-1-1 was called.
Well I think it starts when you don't go to seminary and call yourself Reverend.
Then get out there and work to change the laws you don't like.
Since the current Mesopotamian revival is, in fact, all the rage. ;-)
That's baloney. We're nearing 2,000 comments on this thread alone, 6,000 on the other one, and you think one statement is going to stand for our manifesto?
Our manifesto is basically that we don't like being called Nazis and murderers and lectured. I'll bet you couldn't find 10 people who agreed with everything about this case on this thread.
And your statement is like saying that what Randall Terry says represents the pro life movement.
What I am puzzled about is the Schindlers have never claimed that they have many, many video segments showing Terri interacting. You'd think there would be more than just the snippets seen on television.
I am trying as we speak.
She can't eat on her own.
Is this a low enough function for death as the only problem?
She is sucking up resources that could be used on others who have hope of contributing to society required in you opinion?
What is the minimum contribution to society?
The whole thing with heroic measures needs to have the brakes slammed on.
For whom, under what circumstances?
She should never have been resuscitated.
Why?
BUMP.
Oh, yes. I was pretty well amazed the first time I read the DCA opinion. Because here I was, reading the discussion of the things the judges examined and deliberated - when all I had read on here is that they never did any of those things.
Well, I guess it is easier to slag the judges if you just make stuff up instead of actually looking into what they did...
Stop it.
If you are honest enough to tell all on this thread that you would wish to live that way than say it.
It's rather long so I'm not sure how many will read it, but it's one of the better summaries that highlights the tensions.
NN is illustrating the slippery slope. you set the parameters with Terri, NN is attempting to fine tune the lines.
"...waving THE LAW around does provide one cover, i suppose. but i find it scant comfort."
I didn't say I was looking for cover...nor that it gave me comfort.
Quite the opposite in fact. But the alternatives are unacceptable to me.
You aren't being honest with yourself or anyone when you deny the real issue is Mrs. Schiavo's cognitive level. You are the one who has repeately referred to PVS and flat EEG.
I understand the slippery slope and it tilts both ways.
I thought it was a good summary but it made me ticked off to a fairtheewell at our Congressmen all over again :-)
They are going to craft legislation that will intrude into things they have no business intruding into. And our right to self determination will be lessened as a result.
Modern medicine can keep a lot of people alive indefinitely. People who would probably prefer not to be kept alive. I've never yet met anyone who thinks living like Terri for 15 years is a GOOD thing.
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It was to gain supporters and the MSM.
If they showed the "misses," they would not have all the supporters they do have.
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