Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
LOL, I like that! I think I'll put it in my profile. hehe
In actuality, the real reason behind my name is it was the first thing that popped into my head when registering. I really only signed up so that all the post times could be converted to EST. (different time zones always confuse me). I never realized how addicting the actual POSTING part could/would be. hehe
But I like your explaination murdoog. :) That, and yes "inflation" is the reason 42 isn't the answer to everything anymore. ;) (Edgerunner)
You're skeptical of Dr. H because you're smart.
Have you seen Trinity_Tx home page about him? Devastating. Anyone who has read it will never again refer to him out of embarrassment.
While your distinction between a heart attack and cardiac arrest is quite correct (and rather important to the case) please remember that many people do not know the difference.
Publick screwel edgumacation, don'cha know!
"Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee...
Sigh..."
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Dr. William Hammesfahr, M.D., Nobel Prize Nominee, To Speak At National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention
Dr. Hammesfahr will be commenting on the connection between neuropathy pain and poor blood flow and treatment options to help relieve pain and other symptoms caused by the condition. Dr. Hammesfahr is a recognized expert in treating neurological disorders through improving and normalizing blood flow into the damaged areas.
ORLANDO, FL (PRWEB) June 25, 2004 -- Dr. William Hammesfahr, M.D. ,noted neurologist, will be speaking at the National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention in Orlando on Saturday, June 26, 2004. Dr. Hammesfahr will be a featured lecturer, speaking about “Neuropathy Pain” and “Diabetic Neuropathy.” Dr. Hammesfahr will be commenting on the connection between neuropathy pain and poor blood flow and treatment options to help relieve pain and other symptoms caused by the condition. Dr. Hammesfahr is a recognized expert in treating neurological disorders through improving and normalizing blood flow into the damaged areas.
Peripheral neuropathy describes damage to the peripheral nerves, the vast communications network that transmits information from the brain and spinal cord to every other part of the body. It may be caused by diseases of the nerves or as the result of overall illness. Many neuropathies are caused by other conditions like diabetes, uremia, AIDs, arthritis or nutritional deficiencies. In fact, over 60% of the people with diabetes also have peripheral neuropathy. Other causes include pressure from trauma like fractures, bruises, tumors or intraneural hemorrhage. Although the causes of peripheral neuropathy are diverse, they produce common symptoms including weakness, numbness, paresthesia (abnormal sensations such as burning, tickling, pricking or tingling) and pain in the arms, hands, legs and/or feet. A large number of cases are of unknown cause.
Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999 for his work in brain injury and stroke. He has successfully treated thousands of patients using vasodilator therapy which increases blood flow to the brain healing conditions previously thought to be untreatable. He has been using this technology for more than a decade with good results. Patients are seeing remarkable reduction in pain, return of function in previously unusable limbs, and return of lost sight, hearing, and other function. In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe migraines.
The federal government has recognized Dr. Hammesfahr’s clinical expertise, naming him Reviewer and Chief Reviewer for evaluation and funding for new clinical research programs. He has also been a court-recognized expert and a court-ordered treating physician for these techniques that he pioneered. He has lectured and published extensively. Dr. Hammesfahr graduated from the Northwestern Honors Program in Medical Education in 1982, a program which only accepts a small number of high school students directly into medical school. He then trained in Neurosurgery and Neurology at the Medical College in Virginia. He has received Board Certification in both Neurology and Pain Management.
Dr. Hammesfahr’s work has been presented at numerous conferences and on the web. The National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention is June 25-27 from 9-5. He will be speaking on Saturday, June 26th: Neuropathy Pain 9:00-10:20 and Diabetic Neuropathy 200-3:20. All conference activities will be held at:
Hawthorne Suites Orlando Airport
7450 Augusta Drive
Orlando, Florida407-438-2121
I was taught by Franciscans and Jesuits. Neither used the term "prohetic witness" that I can recall.
No comprende.
Resty, Dr. H's "nomination" came from a congressman who was persuaded to write a letter to the nominating committee for him. He was never actually nominated. He is listed at the "Quackwatch" website. His theories are very questionable. I've heard him being interviewed, and he is very slippery. He claims that Mrs. Schiavo was learning to walk between parallel bars and speaking single syllable words after her discharge from the hospital and admittance to a nursing home. Yet the discharge report from the hospital says that she was unresponsive to commands, and she had a feeding tube installed at that time. There were three swallowing tests administered in 1991, 1992, and 1993, and it was determined that her swallowing function was inadequate to feed her sufficient amounts to keep her nourished.
The PRWEB where the article you posted comes from is a free press release site. It's PR - Public Relations. Anybody can put a press release on that site. No reporting, no fact checking. I don't trust the good Dr. H, and I believe that the Schindlers were not well advised to put their trust in him.
Well, of course. The "peaceful and natural death" has become the new "at least he didn't have panties put on his head".
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To Speak At National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention Saturday, June 26, 2004....
Dr. Hammesfahr will be a featured lecturer, speaking about “Neuropathy Pain” and “Diabetic Neuropathy.” Dr. Hammesfahr will be commenting on the connection between neuropathy pain and poor blood flow and treatment options to help relieve pain and other symptoms caused by the condition. Dr. Hammesfahr is a recognized expert in treating neurological disorders through improving and normalizing blood flow into the damaged areas.
Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999 for his work in brain injury and stroke.
He has successfully treated thousands of patients using vasodilator therapy which increases blood flow to the brain healing conditions previously thought to be untreatable. He has been using this technology for more than a decade with good results
Peach Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee speaking at the National Peripheral Neuropathy is also an embarrassment.
Listen to yourselves it seems if it goes aginst your theory you must annihilate.....it ia no longer opinions now of us have meet either side only the media spin
You know every nook and crany of the Schindler side and those friends and nursed of Terri that if they press to much the media will reduce to nonexistence....
You don't even know the name of the other women what she does, how Michael met her, where she works etc.
If this was a repubilcan the media disliked, you can be sure they would have been written as the scum of the earth! You would have known the name of the women and the children where they live how much the house costed, etc!
I respect your right to an opinion, what bothers me is you need to annihilate anyone else right to an opinion!
There was a "5" on a duplicate thread, but I think the "3" speaks for itself...
I had a friend who ran a huge rehabilitation hospital here in town. She eventually left to start her own business which is training of doctors, nurses and rehab therapists all across the southeast.
She would show me her brochures and she often had alternative medicine doctors (which Dr. H is) and therapists as guest speakers. I asked her why she did that and she said that she wanted everyone, in all fields, to have someone to listen to.
But when insurance companies don't work with you, and you lie about a Nobel prize, lie to the court about the patients you have cured but can't produce one single person or record to back up said claim, and you advertise in the National Intruder, then you are dealing with what is commonly referred to as a quack.
No he wasn't.
Maybe you need to step back a little, and look again. I welcome debate, and I welsome differing opinions. Not once have I called anyone a "Nazi", a "Death Cultist", a "Monster" or a myriad of other vile names.
No, the stifling is coming from elsewhere, restornu. If you were being inteelectually honest, you'd admit that simple truth.
Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999 for his work in brain injury and stroke.
Dr. H was never actually nominated for the Noble Price - a congressman was persuaded to write a letter to the nominating committee on his behalf, that is not the same thing as an actual nomination. It is deceptive for him to claim to be a Noble Price Nominee. I'm sorry that you consider it "annihilation" of you when I am merely pointing out some facts. I've read the Wolfson report, I've read the hospital discharge summary, I've read Dr. H's website, I've read the Quackwatch report. I know the name of Michael's live in girlfriend, I know they have two children, I've read about what his house costs, that he and his girlfriend drive Mercedes. I believe Michael to have a conflict of interest when it comes to guardianship of Terri, but none of these things negate the actual factual facts. My considered opinion has nothing to do with "dislike of the media". There are a lot of rumors flying around that just simply aren't true.
You could not be more wrong.
And "period" will not prevent anyone from pointing that out.
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