Evolution of creationism: Pseudoscience doesn't stand up to natural selection

Daytona Beach News-Journal ^ | 29 November 2004 | Editorial (unsigned)

[balrog666]

Don't let this be you! Embrace rationality now!

[cainin04]

Narby, I think you make a good point. When I heard about those theories I automatically questioned them (as I do almost everything) so I begna to do research on the subject. I guess it is just the rebel in me.

So, I like your argument. Perhaps we do not need that debate in class--perhaps we do. I would like to give it some more thought--but I do think you make an excellent point.

Also, I will say though that the case just up the road in Atlanta is that the text will say "evolution is a theory." And that wording is being contested in court as being a seperation between church and state.

Let me sleep on your argument though.

[cainin04]

I already answered that question at about 2 pm today. I don't feel like typing it all up again or searching though the 600 posts to find it.

Maybe tomorrow when I am not so tired.

[AndrewC]

My paycheck is invisible. I get direct deposit.

This is visible.

[Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...]

Please enlighten me as to what exactly ID predicts and how our current set of observational data show that these predictions of ID are true.

The Bible says that Adam and Eve were created perfectly and that the whole world was 'very good'. ID makes the claim that in the beginning everything was perfect. When Adam and Eve sinned, it introduce the concept of death into the world and a continual spiral of degradation which is still occurring today. It doesn't matter what you look at, it's degrading. Can you name one thing that's not? In a nutshell, you asked what ID predicts - Genesis 3:3 'But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.' - so I guess that I could say that ID predicts that lots of fossils of plants and animals that are healthier than what we have today would be found (which is certainly the case if size can be equated to health). You know the story - Adam and Eve disobeyed and the observational data shows the prediction of death to be true and that everything dies.

[general_re]

The correct creationist answer to the question of what this is, is "I don't know" - after all, you're not allowed to make inferences about the big picture so long as pieces are still missing...

[phoenix0468]

Oztrich Boy wrote:
Before we get to your smoke and mirrors, let's table your postion on
By the way, Darwin personally refuted many of his own claims later in life.

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I have already tabled that one. It was a mistake to bring it up, since I have agreed that it was unfounded and heresay.

[longshadow]

placemarker of last resort

[puroresu]

I'll grant you that your jigsaw puzzle and caption are humorous. :-)

Meanwhile, an evolutionist would look at that jigsaw puzzle and say, "Damn, I wonder when random chance will fill in the rest of those spaces!"

[Dimensio]

The Bible says that Adam and Eve were created perfectly and that the whole world was 'very good'. ID makes the claim that in the beginning everything was perfect.

It does? Other people have said that ID only claims that an intelligent designer is responsible for the diversity of life on the planet, not that everything was "perfect" in the beginning. Seems as though the ID pushers can't even get their stories straight.

But, hey, let's go with your claim that everything was "perfect" in the beginning. Can you show observations for this, or is your argument simply "can't you just see that I'm right?" (which, by the way, is not an argument).

[general_re]

Remember, just because you can't find the pieces, that doesn't mean they never existed. Who knows which couch cushion they might turn up under? ;)

[puroresu]

LOL! :-)

[Fester Chugabrew]

But, hey, let's go with your claim that everything was "perfect" in the beginning. Can you show observations for this . . .

No more than you can "show observations" that the world is older than the day you were born.

[Fester Chugabrew]

#653. LOL! Great cartoon.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Is that jigsaw puzzle an accurate depiction of the issue at hand? I mean, I've never seen fossils cut that way.

[general_re]

met·a·phor    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (mt-fôr, -fr)
n.

1. A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in “a sea of troubles” or “All the world's a stage” (Shakespeare).
2. One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol: “Hollywood has always been an irresistible, prefabricated metaphor for the crass, the materialistic, the shallow, and the craven” (Neal Gabler).

[Dimensio]

No more than you can "show observations" that the world is older than the day you were born.

Explain.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Whatever. Your metaphor does little to advance either discussion or understanding of the issue at hand.

[Sofa King]

100+ years isn't quite as long as the 1,000,000,000+ years that it takes single-celled organisms to evolve into new things.

[bondserv]

1. Higher authority makes us equal.
2. Freedom to live and to peaceably persuade others.
3. Family values and perpetuating good citizenry.
4. Charitable and forgiving attitude with those around us.
5. Quality of life based on Character, not power or prestige.
6. The idea to harmoniously blend multiple cultures under one God.

These are uniquely American Values!
Yeah sure.

But the Mohammadens make similar claims about them being uniquely Islamic values. who's a guy to believe?

Huh? These six values contradict every value system except Judeo-Christian values. The secular humanists on this thread are more in agreement with John Kerry on values than the Founding Fathers.

1. I guarantee you not one of the evolutionists on this thread believes they are as dumb as the creationists on this thread. (Higher authority makes equal)

2. I guarantee you not one of the evolutionists on this thread feel that Creationism should be taught in schools. (Peaceably persuade others)

3. I guarantee you not one of the evolutionists on this thread believe there should be a drug war in our country. Many disagree with the use of our military to stop evil in the world. (Call bad values, bad and evil, evil to perpetuate good citizenry)

4. I guarantee you not one of the evolutionists on this thread would intentionally go to a college that only taught creationism. (Couldn't spend their quality time with a neighbor they passionately disagreed with)

5. I guarantee you not many evolutionist on this thread humbles themselves publically by admitting their understanding of reality is woefully small. (Character matters)

6. I guarantee you not one evolutionist on this thread would want to move to an area where the entire neighborhood was fundamentalist Christians with a heavy evangelical bent. (Their way or the highway)

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative make not a conservative. Who has issues staying in the conservative GOP. You guys won't be flocking to the Bible belt if there is a schism in our country. Hug Hillary for me.

P.S. I live in California with the fruits and the flakes because they need to be more persuaded about Jesus Christ than my friends in the Bible belt.