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Quit nagging the smokers, will ya?
PhillyBurbs.com ^ | 11-18-04 | J.D. Mullane

Posted on 11/19/2004 5:35:36 AM PST by SheLion

Today is the day we set aside each year to badger, harass and pester that marginalized subculture of Americans, the Doorway People.

You know the Doorway People. They stand in doorways at work or at the mall smoking cigarettes because lighting up in mixed company has become as distasteful as nose-picking.

Yes, today marks the 27th anniversary of the Great American Smokeout, sponsored by the American Cancer Society, where modern incarnates of pinch-mouthed prohibitionists attempt to further ghettoize smokers.

Now, it's not that I think smoking is good. I have friends who smoke. I wish they didn't. On average, they will trade 10 years of their lives to enjoy their habit. But we're all grownups. Smoking is their demon and I have enough of my own demons to wrestle with.

But, unlike anti-smoking zealots, I sympathize with smokers.

That's because I was a smoker. When I quit for good in 1996, I was burning through 2 1/2 packs a day. I ditched the habit because each time I coughed, my lungs rattled as if someone had backed into metal trash cans.

Still, I loved every puff. I still miss it. In fact, I still have nicotine cravings.

So I'm sympathetic to smokers and believe they should be free to enjoy their addiction, which, last I checked, remains legal. Which is why I dislike the anti-smoking scolds. They are trying to criminalize smoking.

From New York City to Dallas, from Toledo, Ohio, to Eugene, Ore., anti-smoking zealots have racked up successful campaigns to ban smoking in bars and restaurants, the last bastion of peace and acceptance for smokers.

Eventually, the anti-smoking "movement" will have won enough smoking bans in enough cities in enough states to introduce national no-smoking legislation, said Zoe Mitchell, co-founder of Ban the Ban, which recently defeated efforts to enact similar no-smoking legislation in Washington, D.C.

"Ultimately, their goal is to make it a national issue based on their success at the local level," she said.

Anti-smokers say they're acting in the best interest of public health.

They say all those smokers burden the healthcare system with their cigarette-related maladies. It costs all of us more in healthcare premiums, they say.

Nonsense. Smokers die sooner than most of us nonsmokers, never collecting a cent from Social Security, which they've paid for decades.

Also, smokers pay outrageous cigarette taxes on each pack of smokes, which pours billions of dollars annually into government coffers.

At best, the money argument is a wash.

When an anti-smoking nut steps into a place like the Puss N' Boots Tavern in Fairless Hills, all they see is the blue-gray cloud of smoke hovering over the patrons crowded around the bar.

When I walk into the Boot, I see it differently.

I see a local cop who's seen more than his fair share of tragedy.

Or an emergency room nurse who was up to her elbows in blood just a few hours before.

Or a construction guy who's sacrificed years of Saturdays to work overtime so he could save for his kid's college tuition.

Or a middle-aged father worried about his son, who's fighting the war.

These are the good people the anti-smoking zealots want to stigmatize as public health leeches.

And if they accomplish their goal, they won't go away.

They will persecute the overweight, stigmatize SUV drivers and haul into court those who don't recycle.

They've got the money and the time and the lawyers.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; fda; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; pufflist; regulation; rinos; senate; smoking; taxes; tobacco
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To: TheForceOfOne
If I don't like you am I allowed to punch you in the face?


61 posted on 11/19/2004 6:47:15 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: TheForceOfOne
Next he will come up with that 'peeing in the pool' sentence.
62 posted on 11/19/2004 6:49:27 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: LittleSpotBlog
"It's a fact that smoking causes cancer, among many other ailments."

It has not been proven that second hand smoke is harmful. Latest studies find no link between second hand smoke and cancer. Perhaps your Grandmother got lung cancer from some other source, such as asbestos. Who knows? But the most recent studies refute the second hand smoke myth. Since your grandfather also fell ill, perhaps there was an unidentified cause that affected them both and the smoking was irrelevant.
63 posted on 11/19/2004 6:51:51 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: SheLion
Thank you for the reminder!
I must put a couple of extra packs in my briefcase, and make sure I have that plastic cigarette with me when I go shopping later, just to infuriate the tiny controlling types...
64 posted on 11/19/2004 6:53:20 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: ShandaLear
No one thinks this can happen to them. Until it happens to you or a family member, you really have no idea the grief and destruction smoking causes.

Well, life is full of risks.  I don't rappel.  I choose to smoke. I don't sky dive, I choose to smoke.  I'm not obese, I choose to smoke.  Life is full of choices, and not all of them are risk free.  I just choose to smoke.

None of us are going to get out of this life alive.  And when my number is up, it won't matter one bit if I ever smoked or not.

65 posted on 11/19/2004 6:54:04 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: SheLion

bttt


66 posted on 11/19/2004 6:54:15 AM PST by meema
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To: JoeSixPack1

That's true, private businesses should be able to do what they want. If they want to risk the loss of business, they can keep acting however they want.

But, in states where it is illegal to smoke in public places, that means that I don't have to complain to the managers of the business. That's already been taken care of. I should be able to walk from point A to point B without walking through a cloud of poison. And that's where my smoke vs. spit argument came from. If a smoker feels the need to blow smoke on me in a PUBLIC, NON-SMOKING area, can I spit on them and call it even?

???


67 posted on 11/19/2004 6:55:10 AM PST by Terpesman
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To: Walkin Man
I hope you smokers think the costs of this habit are worth it to you and your families.

My family smokes. We find it no problem.

As for cost? I roll a beautiful carton for under $8.00 and no longer pay into the state coffers any longer. The savings has been fantastic. :)

68 posted on 11/19/2004 6:57:20 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: SheLion
I'll bet he has! lol

I don't like his point of view at ALL! but I would defend his right to say it.

Our constitutional rights have been under attack for along time from every little weenie whiny complaint that someone can think of to take them away one by one. The bottom line is people could care less if alcohol is illegal as long as they don't drink, or smoke, or whatever. They will be sorry by taking this path because sooner or later we will get to what they do like and then its payback time. I do not want this to happen but if they push taken our rights away this is what we will be left with. We will become John Edwards two America's.
69 posted on 11/19/2004 7:00:30 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Get us out of the U.N.!!!)
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To: Terpesman
Thanks. I think I picked an unpopular side to this arguement. I don't care if people smoke, I just think there should be a little more respect for other people in certain situations.

Well, they pushed the smokers outside.  Where else are we to go?  Underground?

What with the big smoke eaters today, there is no reason for these bans.  You go to Casino's in Las Vegas and most people are smoking, but you have to look to see it.  You sure can't smell it anymore nor can you see the smoke.

Air purifiers are excellent.

70 posted on 11/19/2004 7:00:57 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: Capagrl
Good morning.

You could always try the smoking cessation technique that worked for me.

I had a major stroke in April of last year. In the ER I was dying for a smoke, so to speak. My wife says I was trying to beg for a Camel. While the words were barely intelligible because the left side of my face wasn't working, the puffing gestures I was attempting to make with the right side of my body were ok.

When I came out of sedation the next morning I found that my addiction was gone. You have to have suffered through withdrawl to understand how amazing it was to not be suffering. Even in the condition I was in I recognized what had happened.

I had smoked Humps for 37 years. I once initiated contact on a VC because he was smoking a Ruby Queen when he walked into our kill zone and we hadn't had a smoke in two days. That was proof positive that smoking can kill you.

I guess if you are going to kill part of your brain, zapping the part that deals with nicotine is the way to go.

Michael Frazier
71 posted on 11/19/2004 7:01:44 AM PST by brazzaville (No surrender no retreat, Well, maybe retreat's ok.)
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To: SheLion
I'm old enough to remember the day when smokers ruled the world. I'm sure there were polite smokers who were considerate of others. But the ones I remember vividly sure didn't give a rip about the rights of non-smokers.

The smokers who ruled the world turned almost every public building and accommodation into a fuzzy, blue-hazed cave that reeked like last week's ash tray. How well do I remember the stench and murk of every restaurant, government office, and motel room when smokers ruled the world. And the smokers who ruled the world assumed their right to fire one up was completely superior to any claim of the non-smoker.

Don't like the smell? There's always the great outdoors.

Allergic? That's rich.

Smoke gives you headaches? Take an aspirin.

Most smokers I remember also blithely assumed they had the absolute right to turn MY car, house, and workplace into their own private smoking den. Permission to smoke in someone else's car? What a bizarre concept.

When smokers ruled the world their footprints were all over the faces and backs of the non-smokers. I was there.

I personally believe it should be up to business owners to decide if an establishment is "smoking" or "non-smoking". The government shouldn't impose "non-smoking" laws on private establishments. Public buildings are a different story.

But I remember the day when the only choice was "smoking" and the cavalier attitude of the smokers who ruled the world.

So the attitude of today's non-smokers is no surprise to me.

Need a drag? There's always the great outdoors.

Getting "jumpy"? That's rich.

Get a headache when you don't smoke for a while? Take an aspirin.

Thus doth the great wheel of Karma turn.

72 posted on 11/19/2004 7:02:52 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant (This space for sale.)
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To: SheLion
You know, I see your point!! After all, I've driven for years and haven't been killed in an auto accident. I can't believe those crazy people who say you should wear a seat belt. It's junk science, I tell ya!

FYI, my grandfather has pulmonary fibrosis, emphysema, and has had a stroke, all directly related to smoking.
73 posted on 11/19/2004 7:03:12 AM PST by LittleSpotBlog
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To: TheForceOfOne
These people will complain until every last right has been relinquish and you get thrown in jail for farting for life because you are a menace to society.

Have you ever noticed that there is always a group of people out there wanting to tell the rest of us how to live our lives?

What ever happened to 'live and let live?'

Everyone needs to take responsibly for their own actions.

74 posted on 11/19/2004 7:03:22 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: Terpesman
Have you ever been to a restaurant where smoking is not permitted?
Yes

Better yet, have you ever been to a government and seen the employess gathered in front of the building smoking? Have you ever walked through one of these groups to get inside the building?
Yes, and do you know why those people are gathered in the doorway? Because the antismokers drove them form the building using junk science and scare tactics to invoke the rule of law.
I suspect if the smokers had a room, or even a covered patio a few yards away, they wouldn't be standing in front of the doorway.

If you are walking from your car and going into a restaurant that is non-smoking, you shouldn't have to walk through a gauntlet of smokers who are outside having their cigarettes.
I understand completely where you're coming from.
Do you understand that, at this point in time, most smokers don't CARE where you're coming from.
The anti forces have pushed the average smoker from restaurants, bars, workplaces, seperate smoking rooms, doorways (25 feet sound familiar?), and almost into the street. If they do deign to give the smoker a little patio somewhere you can almost guarantee that the patio looks like some type of enclosed pen and there is no cover to keep the elements off the smokers head.
Smokers have been taxed, retaxed, and taxed again all in the name of,"It's for the children!", or, "It's to MAKE you stop.", or, "It's because you don't pay your fair share of your health cost.", or just because someone doesn't like the SMELL!

Smokers have been demonized as murderers, hateful people, people that don't care about their families, unintelligent, low class, etc.

At one point in time there were considerate smokers and inconsiderate smokers. Now I don't think you are going to find too many smokers that will take into consideration your wants and desires unless you force them to by rule of law. They've been pushed as far as they are going to be pushed and until some type of mutual accomodation can be reached they just don't CARE.

75 posted on 11/19/2004 7:03:46 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: LittleSpotBlog
No, the worst alcoholics and drug users just run into you as they drive around drunk and kill you, your family and friends.

Or the drug addicts break into your homes or businesses, rob you and maybe kill you, your family and friends, too, to get items to pawn to support their habit.

Or they turn into prostitutes to support their habits and spread STDS and TB around eventually to people you care about, if not yourself.

Really safer to have alcholics or drug addict that don't force their habits on you, like smokers do, isn't it?

76 posted on 11/19/2004 7:04:03 AM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: Just another Joe

Most people don't like reeking of smoke after a night out. My biggest beef: a girl (usually) who doesn't want to hold her cigarette near herself or her friends who holds her arm out so her cigarette ends up 2" away from me or my food. That is soo rude.


77 posted on 11/19/2004 7:05:47 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: WildTurkey
After reading the above, it is a wonder that anyone would smoke! Oh, I forgot, it's the nicotine ...

Well, hehe! As long as cigarettes are still legal, I shall smoke.

If it's the Big Bubba Killer 'they' say it is, don't you think they would have pulled it off of the markets? LOL! What a bunch of misery 'they' are trying to put us through.

I've never seen the likes.

78 posted on 11/19/2004 7:06:27 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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To: TheForceOfOne
Yeah, that was my argument. I should be the only one with rights. If you would read my other posts you would see that I wrote that I DON'T care if people smoke. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I just don't think that I should have to sit and smell the smoke in a public place.

And I like how you've reverted to name calling. That shows and amazing amount of maturity and intelligence. "I can't argue my position coherently so you're (note the spelling) a pinhead!"

Nice.

Oh, and I love to shout at ballgames. I also like to watch South Park even though I wouldn't let my kids watch it because it's not appropriate for their age group... this covers my support of free speech even though the MSM uses this freedom to demonize anyone who might not agree with their point of view. I support these things because even though I might not agree with something I know that we as Americans have certain rights that should not be legislated away.

Smoking in public is not one of those RIGHTS. It is a privilege and you are not entitled to abuse it.
79 posted on 11/19/2004 7:07:02 AM PST by Terpesman
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To: sonofatpatcher2
And don't forget about this one:


80 posted on 11/19/2004 7:07:37 AM PST by SheLion (God bless and protect our troops. I love them one and all!)
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