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7 Dead in High Speed Car Chase
Sierra Vista Police Department ^ | Unpublished | HiJinx

Posted on 10/16/2004 2:37:27 PM PDT by HiJinx

This is breaking. A high speed chase around Sierra Vista and on to Ft. Huachuca has resulted in 7 deaths and 14 injuries.

A stolen car with 5 people inside led police on a high speed chase along the Highway 90 bypass and on to Ft. Huachuca at speeds in excess of 100MPH.

The stolen vehicle hit new barricades at the East Gate Checkpoint and crossed over the median, striking an outbound vehicle.

4 people in the stolen car have died, and 3 other people are also dead. 14 people are injured.

There are no further details regarding the 3 dead or the injured. As the story develops, I will try to post more.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration
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To: Darksheare
Shhh!!! The current talking point has been changed: we're now telling them we're supporting "energy-efficient classic car research". Meanwhile we will proceed with the plan to install new models with the kill switch--along with the previously-discussed undisclosed "extra features".
201 posted on 10/17/2004 9:26:49 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: HiJinx; Joe Hadenuf
Some years ago, there was an accident similar to this in Temecula, California, where the Border Patrol was chasing an SUV full of illegals which diverted into a residential area and struck several cars and pedestrians, all of which were high-schoolers on their way to school. One woman lost a son and daughter, another family lost a husband and son; there were at least seven deaths including one of the illegals in the SUV.

It devastated that small town, and pitted the families of Border Patrol Agents against other townspeople, as the BP was blamed for continuing the chase into the town. Subsequent to this, the BP had revised guidelines for continuing pursuits.

It appears that these small-town police did not follow reasonable pursuit policies.

Some days, I think we should just bomb the elite PRI enclaves in Mexico, which are the real source of this mess on our southwest border, and increasingly, elsewhere in our country.

202 posted on 10/17/2004 10:00:47 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: curlewbird
How about a kill switch put in autos upon manufacture? With satellite tech. these days, ya call up OnStar and say, trigger the switch. Auto dies, end of chase.

The odds that this does not stay in responsible hands means that it is a VERY BAD idea. Before cell phones became cheap, every man I knew who was a father of a college girl was signed up for one if the girl had a long commute. They all had stories of empty cars found on the roadside. Some were probably apocryphal, but it does happen. Having the bad guys being able to pick & choose which cars would 'fail' in the middle of nowhere is not a good idea.

203 posted on 10/17/2004 10:32:47 AM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: steveo
"Let the bad guys get away... good idea... what if the police knew the perps had just shot up a class of 3rd graders. "OH! don't want to cause a crash, better lettem' go"

I am sure the innocent people killed during the chase wouldn't mind dying in a situation like that. Their friends and family will understand that since 3rd graders had been shot, their son or daughters life doesn't matter. </sarcasm

I don't think anyone wants criminals to get away, but once a description is known, it is hard to outrace a radio. We require our police officers to use good judgement. If the chase is taking place in a dangerous location, patience and determination should replace reckless brute force. No circumstances ever warrant risking innocent lives.
204 posted on 10/17/2004 10:36:42 AM PDT by monday
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; M007
The cops could have gotten his license plate number and picked him up when he got off the exit after he had cooled down. The cops caused him to get burned alive and could have killed any number of other people on the Thruway that day. The whole situation was ridiculous.

I agree with Anitius Severinus Boethius. This is what the Columbine cops did, wait until everybody who is going to get shot has got shot, then go in and clean up the mess. If the kid was drinking enough to have been stupid enough to lead a 100mph chase, then he was likely to miss a stop light and kill somebody anyway.

If the kid was drunk enough or out of control enough to lead a 100mph chase, then the odds were already high that harm was going to be done. The cops can only shape the situation to 1) limit the damage to the original offender as much as possible, 2) be there to help the innocent.

Aside: It seems the entire concept of innocent vs. guilty has dissappeared. The speeding kid was not an innocent victim.

205 posted on 10/17/2004 10:44:00 AM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: Darksheare

LOL!!!


206 posted on 10/17/2004 11:43:08 AM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: M007

Hey - ever thought of maybe that by OBEYING the law in the first place your football player would still be alive?? Thank goodness he didn't take any innocent lives with him when he went. There are consequences to the choices we make. SOme more evident than others. The responsibility is firmly on the shoulders of the criminal. Yes - he committed a crime.


207 posted on 10/17/2004 11:47:23 AM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: CatholicLady

The morning paper has released no identities. We're petty sure at least 2 of the dead were in the line of cars waiting to turn left onto the bypass when the truck crashed into them.

The headline simply says "Bad and Big". My son's firsthand witness source said 5 DOA and 2 died at the hospital. The news organizations are sticking with 6 dead.

We're waiting for more news.


208 posted on 10/17/2004 1:51:49 PM PDT by HiJinx (Bush/Cheney '04 - Fit For Command - Piper's Pick!)
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To: happygrl
It appears that these small-town police did not follow reasonable pursuit policies.

I know it looks to be unreasonable in this case, but I don't think it was. More and more facts are coming out. There is no way to go north from the border without driving through town. The deputy sheriff who initiated pursuit after the truck ran a stop sign (coming out of Ash Canyon) to get on Highway 92 dropped pursuit when speeds exdeeded 100MPH. He radioed ahead the pertinent information and the city police laid out a spike strip. Evidently because they could not control the traffic at the intersection of the Bypass and Buffalo Soldier Trail, they picked up the spike strip. The driver of the pickup full of illegals lost control at that intersection - probably because of police presence - and flipped his truck and crashed into a line of vehicles waiting to turn left in from of him. The cops did the right thing, the criminal alien did not.

209 posted on 10/17/2004 1:58:23 PM PDT by HiJinx (Bush/Cheney '04 - Fit For Command - Piper's Pick!)
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To: monday; cgk; happygrl; valleygal; Joe Hadenuf; BibleDoc; All

Link to story in the Sierra Vista Herald.

Six dead, 22 injured when truck suspected of carrying illegal immigrants slams into turn lane

BY BILL HESS

Herald/Review

SIERRA VISTA - Six people are dead and 22 were injured after a truck crashed into a line of vehicles at the intersection of the Highway 90 Bypass and Buffalo Soldier Trail Saturday afternoon.

The pickup truck, which is suspected of carrying illegal immigrants, initially was pursued by Cochise County Sheriff's deputies, who backed off after the pickup reached excessive speeds, Sheriff Larry Dever said.

After the vehicle was later seen heading north on Highway 90, a set of tire spikes was put on the road by a Sierra Vista Police Department officer near the intersection of the bypass and Buffalo Soldier Trail, an eyewitness and law enforcement official both said.

The crash then occurred at about noon, leading to a scene that some described as looking like the aftermath of a car bombing, although there was no fire, crater or scorched vehicles. Eleven vehicles were involved.

Initial reports indicate the truck's driver lost control, causing the vehicle to go airborne, smashing the tops of vehicles waiting to make a left turn off the southbound part of Highway 90 onto the bypass.

One vehicle was turned on its side, while another was hit by the pickup truck, pushing it out of the left-turn lane to the far right lane. That vehicle was so badly crushed that two occupants in it were killed.

Rescuers had a hard time removing the unidentified dead. Blankets and sheets covered the unrecognizable vehicle.

Automotive parts were spread throughout the area, as leaking fuel and transmission and brake fluid flowed on the road, causing a red and black sheen in pools and narrow streams.

Broken glass, vehicle grilles, books, papers and clothing were on the road in a helter-skelter manner.

Pools of blood were easily discernible. A baseball cap was in one pool.

The bodies of two apparent illegal immigrants laid in the highway's two northbound lanes.

A large red tarp where the injured were treated covered a portion of the right northbound lane. The tarp was covered with used rubber gloves and medical equipment.

Near it, emergency medical technicians worked on a man - apparently an illegal immigrant - using CPR in an attempt to revive him. It was to no avail. After nearly a half hour of pumping on his chest and using an air bag to over his mouth, they gave up.

Someone gently covered the man's face and draped a sheet over his body.

The body was moved to the left northbound lane, taken off the gurney and placed on the ground next to another body.

When the pickup truck went into the air, a number of people were thrown from the vehicle. One person landed more than 50 feet from where the truck came to rest on its side.

A U.S. Border Patrol helicopter circled the area because suspected illegal immigrants were seen fleeing the scene. The Border Patrol also brought in an officer and dog to help in the search.

Department of Public Safety Officer James Oien said a search is on for the pickup's driver, who reportedly fled the scene. The driver is described as "a Hispanic man with a pony tail."

Most of the injured, whose injures ranged from life-threatening to minor cuts and bruises, were taken by ambulance to Sierra Vista Regional Health Center.

A number of air evacuation helicopters responded, taking the most seriously injured to University Medical Center in Tucson and St. Joseph's Hospital in Phoenix, Oien said.

The driver of the truck that caused the carnage "created innocent victims," Oien said.

Dever was more direct in how he views what happened.

The continuing unconcern that smugglers of illegal immigrants have for the rights of U.S. citizens must stop, he said.

"This is big and bad. This is the kind of an incident that I knew was going to happen," the sheriff said.

For more than seven years those involved in illegal immigrant smuggling have pushed their activities beyond reason, he said.

"They're idiots, and they have caused the death of our citizens," Dever said.

The incident began around 11:30 a.m. when the pickup was spotted coming out of Ash Canyon, failing to stop before entering Highway 92.

"He (the driver) almost caused an accident," Dever said. "He blew the stop sign."

A deputy saw the incident and began a pursuit, while checking the license plate of the truck, the sheriff said. The vehicle check came back as being stolen from Phoenix.

As the pursuit continued, the truck reached high speeds, and the deputy backed off, Dever said.

The deputy lost sight of the truck. It was spotted again on Buffalo Soldier Trail, and another deputy began to pursue it. But again because of excessive speeds, "my guy backed off," the sheriff said.

During the pursuit, another deputy put out tire spikes, but removed them before the truck arrived, he added.

The fleeing vehicle was lost again. The pile-up occurred by the time deputies arrived at the intersection.

Alma Fox, who was driving a car and was last in line to make a left turn on to the bypass, said things happened fast.

She said she saw somebody from the Sierra Vista Police Department put out what she thought were tire spikes before the incident. Then she saw a truck going through the air, after it hit the first vehicle in the turn lane.

Frank Valenzuela, a DPS spokesman, also said Sierra Vista police officers used tire deflation devices to slow the vehicles. The DPS is investigating the accident.

"Before I knew it there were bodies flying through the air," said Fox, a Benson resident who was on her way to work in Sierra Vista.

Eight bodies landed to her left and three to her right, she said.

Although her car was not damaged, Fox said she had no idea how anyone in the other vehicles survived.

Sierra Vista Assistant Fire Chief Randy Redmond said at least 20 people were in the truck.

Alison Bockstahler was directly in front of her. Her car had minor front end damage after the pickup truck in front of her was pushed into her vehicle.

The only thing she remembered was a sound like an explosion and seeing an airborne truck. She didn't see bodies going through the air.

"It happened so quick," said Bockstahler, an Army specialist assigned to the 304th Military Intelligence Battalion on the fort.

Redmond said almost every local emergency service capability responded and worked together well.

"Nearly all of Sierra Vista's resources for emergency care and management was dispatched for assistance," he said.

An incident command structure was put in place, and a triage and treatment center was established right by the accident area. Victims were prioritized according to the severity of their injures and sent to the Sierra Vista hospital or ones out of the area, Redmond said.

DPS, Sierra Vista Police Department, Cochise County Sheriff Department, Fort Huachuca Military Police, U.S. Border Patrol, Sierra Vista Fire Department, Fry Fire District, Fort Huachuca Fire Department, Whetstone Fire Department, Bowie Fire Department, Huachuca City Fire Department and ambulances from as far away as Benson and Sonoita responded to the scene.

As emergency personnel worked at the scene, Highway 90 was closed from the intersection of Kayetan Drive and Buffalo Soldier Trail, which connects with the Highway 90, to Mustang Corners north of Huachuca City.

The fort's East Gate also was closed to alleviate traffic from leaving the post and interfering with medical assistance at the accident scene.

Drivers were rerouted through Tombstone until the highway reopened at about 7 p.m.


210 posted on 10/17/2004 2:17:03 PM PDT by HiJinx (Bush/Cheney '04 - Fit For Command - Piper's Pick!)
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To: M007

That's lame. By running he only insured that he was going to jail had he not killed himself.

Had he not run, prison would be very, very unlikely (unless he had already committed some other serious crime).

If he was drunk or stoned then jail was in his immediate future. And the chances of being "raped" in his overnight (or few day) stay were extremely remote.

I can't think of any man I know that would think "I better run so I don't get raped in jail...".


211 posted on 10/17/2004 2:29:19 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: HiJinx

I agree completely. Thank you for the continued updates...

I also agree with Dever's statement in the article update you posted just above.


212 posted on 10/17/2004 2:36:52 PM PDT by cgk (Teresa Heinz Kerry: ``The Democratic machine in this country is putrid.'')
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To: cgk

The more I hear from my Sheriff regarding illegal immigration, the more certain I am of my vote for him on the 2nd.

God help us...so few others are.


213 posted on 10/17/2004 2:38:54 PM PDT by HiJinx (Bush/Cheney '04 - Fit For Command - Piper's Pick!)
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To: HiJinx
Thanks for the clarification and the update.

Southern Arizona must be reeling.

214 posted on 10/17/2004 3:02:21 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: StarCMC

I figured any conspiracy I could come up with in 30 seconds was as good as any..
*chuckle*


215 posted on 10/17/2004 3:26:10 PM PDT by Darksheare (Ganags of epopel shall stune your beeber with "UNNNGH!")
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To: StarCMC; M007

But don't you know?
People wouldn't break the law if the police didn't chase them!
*UGH!*

I agree, if the guy hadn't run, he wouldn't have died.
What else anyone says, on whoever else anyone places blame is merely trying to shift the blame from the criminal and is making an excuse for poor behavior and poor choices.
Trying to make a martyr out of a criminal doesn't fly with me.


216 posted on 10/17/2004 3:33:53 PM PDT by Darksheare (Ganags of epopel shall stune your beeber with "UNNNGH!")
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To: HiJinx

More death, destruction and madness brought to us by the federally approved invasion of millions.


217 posted on 10/17/2004 4:22:33 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Fedora

Oh yeah!
Little do they realise the hybrid engine cars are also part of our nefarious schemes!
BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAaaa!


218 posted on 10/17/2004 4:22:44 PM PDT by Darksheare (Ganags of epopel shall stune your beeber with "UNNNGH!")
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To: HiJinx

Thank you, Hi Jinx. This is very sad...it also makes me mad.

I'm surprised more weren't dead if there were 20 in the truck. And when I read the truck was stolen from PHX, it made me realize that maybe my car did end up in Mexico somewhere. :(


219 posted on 10/17/2004 4:30:30 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: HiJinx

6 dead, 22 injured, illegal aliens ejected from their vehilce, flying through the intersection, bouncing all over the pavement.....How many innocent were killed an hurt this time by these moronic criminals?


220 posted on 10/17/2004 4:31:49 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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