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Beware! Watchwords of Modernists
Catholic Insight ^ | Mario Derksen

Posted on 08/18/2004 7:43:12 AM PDT by Stubborn

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To: pascendi

Ah.....scrupulosity. You play your part well. ;o)


141 posted on 08/18/2004 8:22:55 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: ksen

Or how about asserting that dogs go to heaven or that nobody goes to hell?


142 posted on 08/18/2004 8:25:33 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts national defense.)
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To: St.Chuck
I don't know, man. You've got a universal affirmative and a particular affirmative predicated of the same subject.

Ah.....scrupulosity. You play your part well. ;o)

But you must have known I was scrupulous; you would have counted on it... so I clearly cannot choose the conclusion in front of you.
143 posted on 08/18/2004 8:29:03 PM PDT by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: pascendi

"Inconthievable!"


144 posted on 08/18/2004 8:31:42 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts national defense.)
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To: broadsword
Or how about asserting that dogs go to heaven or that nobody goes to hell?

Obsessed.

145 posted on 08/18/2004 8:44:49 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Is it OK to send watered silk to the dry cleaners"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: pascendi
But you must have known I was scrupulous; you would have counted on it... so I clearly cannot choose the conclusion in front of you.

LOL. I honestly don't know if I've been played or there is something going on I hadn't counted on.

Needless to say, I'm not troubled by anything Mother Theresa said that could be considered doctrinally questionable. She is also noted for upholding Catholic docrtine most stridently. If she erred, I doubt that she did it purposefully.

146 posted on 08/18/2004 8:50:43 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: broadsword

lol! You got it.


147 posted on 08/18/2004 8:54:57 PM PDT by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: St.Chuck
"She is also noted for upholding Catholic docrtine most stridently. If she erred, I doubt that she did it purposefully."

In all honesty, I have absolutely no idea. I'm in no position to judge her at all, and don't mean or intend to. Just to point out the fact that she did in fact have a modernist theologian's take on salvation and the duty of a missionary. But then again, she never proposed to be a theologian.

Point being: common praise of her for her genuine virtues often extends beyond these virtues and into other areas in which she was genuinely lacking.
148 posted on 08/18/2004 9:01:31 PM PDT by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: pascendi
I'm in no position to judge her at all

...common praise of her for her genuine virtues often extends beyond these virtues and into other areas in which she was genuinely lacking.

149 posted on 08/18/2004 9:19:28 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
Those are compatible statements. There's distinction between two senses of judgment and again between two objects of judgment.

One is the judgment of a soul, and the other the judgment of a statement to be in or out of alignment with Catholic doctrine. So it's alright.
150 posted on 08/18/2004 9:37:38 PM PDT by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Mershon
Have to ask, while I believe that the Muslims do not worship the same God as Christianity, I certainly believe the Jews do, afterall, Jesus was one. Does the Catholic Church think they do not? Thanks.
151 posted on 08/18/2004 9:39:50 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?)
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To: sinkspur
I don't want to fight.

Eucharist is also used in place of the word 'Mass' - lots and lots of priests leave off 'celebration of the/this' [Eucharist] and say, "welcome to this Eucharist" or something similar.

'Eucharist' is used as a pronoun: 'Eucharistic people' 'Eucharistic gathering' and 'Eucharistic sharing' 'Eucharistic community' 'Eucharistic celebration'.

We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us.

Which sounds like 'this Eucharist' is Holy Communion when in fact, 'this Eucharist' must mean the Mass otherwise it must mean that the Eucharist (Body and Blood) will begin to dispel division and separation and so everyone must be invited to partake, which isn't true.

Sinkspur, most Catholics get very confused by wording like that. The above sounds like the word Eucharist means the Mass and yet the Mass is also referred to as 'the celebration of the Eucharist' and then it goes on to say 'Eucharistic sharing' is forbidden. The word Communion is used in a narrow way and that is not confusing at all but the word 'Eucharist' is used to mean many things.

As a fairly well [in]formed Catholic, I can read between 'bishopspeak' lines, but I pity the fool ;-) who isn't used to being a catholspeakwordjuggler.

152 posted on 08/18/2004 9:52:12 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: sinkspur

Just another one of those threads. :) If Torie were God, cats would get first dibs on the best seats in the afterlife. That is the good news for cats. The bad news is that if anything is certain, it is that Torie is not God.


153 posted on 08/18/2004 9:55:24 PM PDT by Torie
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To: pascendi

OK


154 posted on 08/18/2004 9:56:01 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: Mershon

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a4c610569be.htm

Revolutionaries of all stripes have long known that, if you want to change what people think, first change the words they use. That is why the left is so adamant about imposing an new vocabulary on us.

One must question the motives of anyone -- particularly on a conservative site -- who at this late date attempts to deny this axiom.


155 posted on 08/18/2004 10:14:26 PM PDT by dsc
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To: pascendi

Yep. I'm "obsessed" with Catholic faith, and not enamored of heresy or demonic possession.


156 posted on 08/18/2004 11:35:56 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts national defense.)
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To: sandyeggo
I find myself using Holy Ghost more and more frequently. I believe it is because of the incessant usage of the "Spirit of Vatican II" as well as the "Spirit is just blowing through the Church making everything frest and clean".

While praying one day it occurred to me that too often the word "spirit"was used without the word "holy" preceding it and that the "evil one" hearing the call might respond to the open ended invitation. At the time the Church in my diocese was in crisis and the thought that some of it might have been "by invitation" made sense to me. Almost unconsciously I found myself saying Holy Ghost,even in the Creed at Mass.

I can only say my prayer life improved and I felt much less unsettled.Furthermore,several years later (about eight months ago) we got a wonderful new Bishop. You just don't forget Holy and call on the Ghost,or the Ghost of Vat II or the Ghost just a blowing through the Church----it just doesn't happen.I think when you call on the Holy Ghost,He knows you're talking to Him,the third person of the Trinity.

157 posted on 08/19/2004 12:35:49 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: american colleen
You are so right,and the two paragraphs you posted show the total confusion that swirls around the word.

I remember going to Mass on Father's Day 1998 or '97,for the homily,the priest read us a poem by some nun about eucharist,it went something like this:

I went downtown and was standing by a trash can

I saw a pregnant girl coming toward me,she offered mn eucharist.

As I wandered,I saw an old drunk,

I went over to him,hugged him and gave him eucharist.

It went on in the same inane,nonsensical fashion for the standard six minute homily time.It made my skin crawl and I now only use the word when I refer to the eucharistic prayer.

I wrote about the experience in one of my first posts on FR,I said I would not use the word anymore and thought that it was one of the reasons that many catholics no longer bellieved in the Real Presence. One person was very offended and let me have it,other than that I was totally ignored and have been by at least three persons on that particular thread ever since.

158 posted on 08/19/2004 1:07:01 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: sinkspur

PROTESTANTS ARE HERETICS NOT SEPERATED BRETHREN...THEY HAVE BEEN HERETICS FROM THE REFORMATION....TILL THE FUZZY WUZZY JESUS CHURCH OF VAT2 CAME ALONG AND SAID JESUS DOESN'T CARE IF YOU BELONG TO HIS ONE TRUE CHURCH OR NOT,,,WHY DID HE ONLY INSTITUTE 1 CHURCH....WHY WAS HIS COMMAND TO GO AND TEACH ALL HE TAUGHT...NOT BITS AND PIECES....WHY DID HE SAY THAT IF SOMEONE DIDN'T EXCEPT WHAT HE TAUGHT TO SHAKE THE DUST OFF AND MOVE ON AND NOT TO CAST PEARLS IN FRONT OF SWINE!


159 posted on 08/19/2004 4:33:03 AM PDT by littlepaddle
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To: littlepaddle
Calm down. Using caps on FR is considered shouting.

Don't do it.

160 posted on 08/19/2004 4:37:00 AM PDT by sinkspur ("Is it OK to send watered silk to the dry cleaners"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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