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Darwin’s Doubters: Changing Paradigms, Intelligently
BreakPoint with Charles Colson ^ | April 26, 2004 | Charles Colson

Posted on 04/26/2004 9:42:08 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback

BreakPoint listeners have heard me speak many times over the years about the intelligent design movement. Intelligent design is the argument by scientists that the world shows clear signs that it was designed and is not simply the result of random evolution.

This is one of the biggest cultural shifts in recent history, especially now with school boards across the country debating this very question and affirming the need to teach both sides of this controversy.

How did this come about? It’s been developing for years, and a new book recounts the intelligent design movement’s history.

Doubts about Darwin: A History of Intelligent Design, written by rhetorical historian Thomas Woodward, tells the stories of four founders of the intelligent design movement—Michael Denton, Phillip Johnson, Michael Behe, and William Dembski—and how they used brilliant rhetorical strategy to break down Darwinism.

Woodward notes that his reason for writing the history is that it nurtures “the health of science itself and . . . the civic health of American society.” What’s at stake, you see, is no less than “supreme cultural authority,” says Woodward. At the heart of the origin debates is “our notions . . . of what it means to be human.”

The motivation for these four founders of the design movement to instigate this “reformation within science” is a passion for intellectual truth-telling. “Design sees itself,” writes Woodward, “as . . . doing its best to restore epistemic integrity.”

Woodward begins with biochemist Michael Denton. Denton set the tone, purpose, and value of the fight against Darwinism in his book Evolution: A Theory in Crisis.

Next he examines legal scholar Phillip Johnson, this year’s Wilberforce Award recipient. Phil Johnson began reading Darwin and realized two things: the immense cultural implications if the Darwinian worldview was proved false and, as a result of his legal training, just how easy it was to prove it false. Johnson put Darwinon trial and forced Darwinians in the academy onto the defensive.

Woodward then turns to biologist Michael Behe, author of the “anti-Darwinist bomb,” Darwin’s Black Box. When Behe read Denton’s book, he experienced “the greatest intellectual shock of his life.” For years, Behe believed in Darwin’s empirical proof because he had been taught it throughout his education. Behe’s “conversion,” so to speak, caused him to rethink biochemical systems, and he coined the term irreducible complexity to describe systems that would cease to work if any part was missing.

Finally Woodward comes to mathematician, philosopher, and theologian William Dembski. Dembski has discovered that telling the truth is never wrong, but sometimes it is costly, and that Christian institutions themselves are not immune from Darwinian stranglehold on truth. Even fellow colleagues at Baylor University have worked to “shut down” Dembski’s dissent.

Woodward makes it clear that telling the truth never hurts the Christian cause. Intelligent Design’s purpose isn’t to stop good scientific practices. Instead the goal is to open the stifling Darwinian atmosphere to new possibilities.

Doubts about Darwin is an exciting history lesson. While there are “no truces in view,” says Woodward, these fighters are working toward intellectual freedom. And their stories can inspire you as you face your school board, colleagues, or biology professors.


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To: Imal
The assertion of design simply avoids thought. The assertion that things happen as a result of unchanging properties of existence requires effort to demonstrate that causation is universal and consistent over time.

It is not an empty exercise to look for natural laws.
21 posted on 04/26/2004 12:53:42 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Mr. Silverback
What’s at stake, you see, is no less than “supreme cultural authority,” says Woodward. At the heart of the origin debates is “our notions . . . of what it means to be human.”

Science is about what happened when, and how. "Cultural authority" is an orthogonal consideration.

22 posted on 04/26/2004 12:58:07 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Thud
I like your taste in music.
23 posted on 04/26/2004 1:09:13 PM PDT by Saturnalia (My name is Matt Foley and I live in a VAN down by the RIVER.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Mr. Silverback
Colson is just pointing out that all evolutionists have IS rhetorical stratagems because there is no science to back up their case.

Mutation is not evolution.

Evolution cannot account for this designed universe.

The intricacies of DNA only prove the point that chaos is NOT a creative process.

Darwin was just plain wrong.
24 posted on 04/26/2004 1:55:18 PM PDT by CalifornianConservative (Pray for the Christians in China and that the spilled blood of her martyrs sows justice in the land)
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To: Thud; Mr. Silverback
After following the tortured twisted "science" of evolution, the "funny farm" is where all those evolutionists will undoubtedly wind up. Or maybe you were just describing the college and high school campuses where so many of them "teach"?
25 posted on 04/26/2004 1:59:11 PM PDT by CalifornianConservative (Pray for the Christians in China and that the spilled blood of her martyrs sows justice in the land)
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To: Right Wing Professor; Mr. Silverback
Evolution has produced nothing of scientific consequence.

Where is Darwin's "proof"? Right. It ain't there. Never has been. And again, DNA proves that chance could never have created life on earth, and that's pure science.

It's the idiot evolutionists, or rather, the "deceived" evolutionists that need to be kept off our streets and out of teaching positions everywhere. The underlying philosophy of evolution gives us the idea that life is meaningless, abortion is okay and that there is no majesty or nobility to the human condition. Without the glorious hope of the historicity of the bible and of Jesus' life death and resurrection then we should all just all do a quick Billie Holiday and get it over with.

Just one "right wing prof" to another, Prof.
26 posted on 04/26/2004 2:09:49 PM PDT by CalifornianConservative (Pray for the Christians in China and that the spilled blood of her martyrs sows justice in the land)
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To: CalifornianConservative
Evolution cannot account for this designed universe.

Evolution only accounts for biodiversity. No one claims that evolution accounts for the universe. Evolution is not an attempt to explain the universe. That you make this bizarre point indicates a level of ignorance on the scope of evolution theory.
27 posted on 04/26/2004 2:10:11 PM PDT by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: CalifornianConservative
Where is Darwin's "proof"? Right. It ain't there. Never has been.

Saying this over and over again does not make the fossil record or DNA records go away.

The underlying philosophy of evolution gives us the idea that life is meaningless, abortion is okay and that there is no majesty or nobility to the human condition.

No, it doesn't. Only morons and liars make this claim.

Without the glorious hope of the historicity of the bible and of Jesus' life death and resurrection then we should all just all do a quick Billie Holiday and get it over with.

What an utterly stupid and absurd suggestion.
28 posted on 04/26/2004 2:11:35 PM PDT by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Dimensio
Another sleeper account awakes ...
29 posted on 04/26/2004 2:21:10 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Another sleeper account awakes ...

That would look more appropriate in a blue font, wouldn't it?

30 posted on 04/26/2004 2:27:42 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: CalifornianConservative
The underlying philosophy of evolution gives us the idea that life is meaningless, abortion is okay and that there is no majesty or nobility to the human condition.

Exactly. And that is the reason why many thinkers I've read credit the followers of Darwin and such 19th centurty thinkers as Freud and Marx for bringing humanity the gulag, the concentration camp, the killing fields and other such wonders of the 20th century. Two of those three geniuses have been totally discredited, the third one will eventually end up on the trash heap as well.

31 posted on 04/26/2004 2:40:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: CalifornianConservative
Colson is just pointing out that all evolutionists have IS rhetorical stratagems because there is no science to back up their case.

And what creationist website did you learn that bit of misinformation from?

Here's a very small sampling of some of the vast amount of science and evidence underlying evolution:

Start here: 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent.

Follow a number of the more promising links from those pages, as well.

Then move on to: Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ.

Then: Horse Evolution.

Then you may be ready for the *excellent* and detailed 43-page overview of: What does the mouse genome draft tell us about evolution?

Then in whatever order you think best for your own education:

Introduction to Evolutionary Biology

Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

Observed Instances of Speciation

Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics

Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Human Evolution

Archaeopteryx

The Age of the Earth: How do we know it?

The Evolution Evidence Page

Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences

Evidence Supporting Biological Evolution

Human Chromosome 2 is a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes

Alec's Evolution Pages with scientific evidence for evolution

A very early chordate fossil

Eomaia scansoria: discovery of oldest known placental mammal

Discovery of a Transitional in Romer's Gap

The Fossil Record: Evolution or "Scientific Creation"

THE THERAPSID--MAMMAL TRANSITIONAL SERIES

AMBULOCETUS AS A FOSSIL TRANSITIONAL

CETACEAN EVOLUTION (WHALES, DOLPHINS, PORPOISES): EVIDENCE OF COMMON ANCESTRY OF CETACEANS AND CERTAIN SPECIES OF LAND MAMMALS (Excellent article -- written by a former young-earth creationist!)

The Shape of Life

Ring Species and Clinal Variation: Nature's Way of Making New Species

Transitional Human Fossils: Six Million Years of Human Ancestry

The Evolution of Improved Fitness By Random Mutation Plus Selection

Evidence for Evolution: An Eclectic Survey

The Evolution of Color Vision

The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence

Evolution: Converging Lines of Evidence

Evolution Library: Evidence for Evolution

That's just a *small* taste. And note that these are just essays *about* the evidence, not the vastly larger, more detailed mountains of *primary* literature (i.e. papers of scientific studies, experiments, vast catalogs of fossil specimens, gigabytes of DNA sequences, etc. etc. etc.)

And here's a small sampling of my own modest posts on the subject:

Explanation of why shared endogenous retroviruses are extremely strong evidence for common descent

Specific comparison of a gene as found in humans, chimps, gorillas, and orangutans

Explanation of nested hierarchies, and how individuals in evolving species still manage to mate with their cohorts

My analysis of specific basepair mutations in a small stretch of the "Vitamin C" gene, and its implications for evolution

Discussion of the evolution of the Krebs metabolic cycle

Support for the assertion that biologists overwhelmingly accept evolution

Information on the biochemical evolution of the blood-clotting mechanism

Evolution of the woodpecker's tongue, and the mammalian eye

A detailed list of 50+ transitional fossils marking the evolutionary path between fish and elephants

Corrections to a (plagiarized!) scattershot creationist attack on the Urey-Miller experiment, and a digression into right-handed proteins

Another response to yet another (also plagiarized) "refutation" of the Urey-Miller experiment, and reference to more modern abiogenesis research

Rebuttal to misstatements about SJ Gould, and fossils answering several creationist challenges

Eighteen references in answer to the creationist claim that "Gene duplication has never been observed"

Refutation of a creationist's claim that "Gould and Eldredge completely rejected Darwinian evolution", and a clarification of the reasons for the sparsity of the fossil record

Punctuated equilibrim is not a departure from Darwin's original theory

Two papers on assembly of proteins by means of non-protein means

Response to Behe's "Irreducible Complexity", and the Contingency argument

Mathematical analysis of a case where simple evolutionary principles provide a speedup over random chance by a factor of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Musings on creationist probability calculations, and references to abiogenesis papers

Exposition on the Dodo (and its evolutionary history)

Discussion of Archaeopteryx, and why it's not "just a bird" or "just a reptile". Also, details on the fraudulent 'Archaeoraptor' fossil

Overview of a paper on the evolution of army ants

How humans and chimps ended up having different number of chromosomes, and how this supports our common ancestry

An examination of DNA showing that yes, contrary to creationist claims, humans really are genetically closer to chimps than nematodes

Thought experiment raising questions about why God only seems to "design" things such that they appear to have come about by evolution, instead of the myriad other ways he could have done so

On the Cambrian fauna and the rise of phyla

More on the above topic

A ton of links to papers on genetic algorithms

Cladograms of dino-to-bird evolution

Details of Dawkins' "methinks it is like a weasel" evolutionary program

The original fish-to-elephant post, plus dino-to-bird details

Happy reading. Let me know when you've finished all those, and I'll provide much more.
Please read at least a few hundred pages from a representative sampling of the above links, before you attempt to make any more pronouncements about the evidence for evolution. You wouldn't want to appear ignorant, would you?

Mutation is not evolution.

Not by itself, no. Who said it was?

Evolution cannot account for this designed universe.

Please provide your scientific evidence for your presumption that the universe is designed. Be sure to define "designed" while you're at it -- be specific and precise.

And you are aware that evolution accounts for the diversity of life, and not the universe as a whole, right? Um, right?

The intricacies of DNA only prove the point that chaos is NOT a creative process.

I must have missed this "proof". Perhaps you could provide a link to it for us.

Darwin was just plain wrong.

About what, specifically, and what is your evidence for claiming he was wrong about it?

32 posted on 04/26/2004 2:41:59 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Revolting cat!
Exactly. And that is the reason why many thinkers I've read credit the followers of Darwin and such 19th centurty thinkers as Freud and Marx for bringing humanity the gulag, the concentration camp, the killing fields and other such wonders of the 20th century.

Right, because there were never barbarous dictators, anarchy, genocide, conquest, oppression, or inhumanity before Darwin, right? Right? Hmm, maybe your thesis needs a bit more work.

Two of those three geniuses have been totally discredited, the third one will eventually end up on the trash heap as well.

Yes, yes, the demise of evolution is being predicted "any day now" -- just like it has for the past 164 years...

For some perspective, check out this web page on The Imminent Demise of Evolution: The Longest Running Falsehood in Creationism . Creationists have been continuously predicting that evolution was about to come crashing down any day now since 1840... That page contains quotes predicting the crash of evolution from 1840, 1850, 1878, 1895, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1912, 1922, 1929, 1935, 1940, 1961, 1963, 1970, 1975, 1976, 1980, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002. But surely, they're finally right *this* time, eh?

33 posted on 04/26/2004 2:53:01 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: CalifornianConservative
It's the idiot evolutionists, or rather, the "deceived" evolutionists that need to be kept off our streets and out of teaching positions everywhere.

What color armbands would you suggest they mandatorily wear to mark them, so that they could be more easily identified and dealth with appropriately?

34 posted on 04/26/2004 3:01:01 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
The "theory" is not mine, is not a theory and it is a common knowledge to those acquainted with the non-scientific literature.

50 years ago Marx and Freud were considered "scientists". Today, the people who conduct telephone surveys and polls are considered scientists (ever heard of 'scientific polling organizations'?), and I'm certain that the believers in the 'science of polling' can provide us with as many links and dates here as proof that their 'science' is true as you have provided. It'll mean as much, for sure!

35 posted on 04/26/2004 3:01:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: CalifornianConservative
Evolution has produced nothing of scientific consequence.

...except for a general explanation of the inter-relationships of all living species, their genomes, their components, etc.

It amuses me when people make a incredibly wrong sweeping statement like the above, apparently without a care as to whether it's true or not.

Where is Darwin's "proof"?

Pick up any biology text. New experiences are good.

And again, DNA proves that chance could never have created life on earth, and that's pure science.

It's pure something, all right. How exactly does DNA 'prove' anything?

The underlying philosophy of evolution gives us the idea that life is meaningless, abortion is okay and that there is no majesty or nobility to the human condition.

Evolution is a scientific theory and makes no more moral statements than gravitation does. After all, does Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation say it's OK to push Grandma downstairs?

Just one "right wing prof" to another, Prof.

What's your field, prof?

36 posted on 04/26/2004 3:02:53 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Bridge in Brooklyn for sale! First reasonable offer secures this beloved landmark!)
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To: CalifornianConservative
Evolution has produced nothing of scientific consequence.

*snicker*.

Where is Darwin's "proof"?

See my prior post, or get out and visit one of those "library" things you must have heard of.

Right. It ain't there. Never has been.

Not in *your* head, anyway. But that can be cured.

And again, DNA proves that chance could never have created life on earth, and that's pure science.

Then it's interesting that "pure scientists" aren't aware of your amazing discovery. Perhaps you could write it up for us in this thread, and be sure to provide the appropriate evidence and citations to the primary literature.

This should be... fascinating.

37 posted on 04/26/2004 3:04:36 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Revolting cat!
50 years ago Marx and Freud were considered "scientists"

By whom?

38 posted on 04/26/2004 3:05:37 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Bridge in Brooklyn for sale! First reasonable offer secures this beloved landmark!)
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To: Imal
Rather, it's usually just a bunch of mindless tautologies founded on lies and speculation presented falsely as "facts", which are then used to construct delusional castles of pointless fantasy bearing no resemblance to reality.

Please provide, say, three examples of "mindless tautologies founded on lies etc." from the evolutionist camp, and document your assertion that they "bear no resemblance to reality".

39 posted on 04/26/2004 3:06:59 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Revolting cat!
And that is the reason why many thinkers I've read credit the followers of Darwin and such 19th centurty thinkers as Freud and Marx for bringing humanity the gulag, the concentration camp, the killing fields and other such wonders of the 20th century.

Of course, Stalin and the Soviet system did reject Darwin and executed Darwin's followers. Stalin was following the anti-Darwinist philosophy.

40 posted on 04/26/2004 3:07:20 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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