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Posts by RaceBannon

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  • Please pray for my Mom

    04/25/2015 8:41:50 PM PDT · 138 of 143
    RaceBannon to Tolerance Sucks Rocks


  • hostage rescue attept ceremony Saturday at noon, Arlington

    04/23/2015 8:01:04 PM PDT · 18 of 19
    RaceBannon to exnavy

    I forgot :)
    Just had dinner with the helo crew, relived some of the funniest things they did
    Found out some personal information about a few,too, quite interesting :)

    Most all of us old men, I the youngest at the dinner at 55, the pilots all 70 almost

  • Please pray for my Mom

    04/23/2015 7:59:26 PM PDT · 109 of 143
    RaceBannon to Tolerance Sucks Rocks


  • hostage rescue attept ceremony Saturday at noon, Arlington

    04/23/2015 1:24:36 PM PDT · 14 of 19
    RaceBannon to Marine_Uncle

    no sweat brutha :)

  • hostage rescue attept ceremony Saturday at noon, Arlington

    04/23/2015 1:23:59 PM PDT · 13 of 19
    RaceBannon to exnavy

    I was on the Oki, what ship were you on?

  • hostage rescue attept ceremony Saturday at noon, Arlington

    04/23/2015 5:50:25 AM PDT · 2 of 19
    RaceBannon to RaceBannon; stowaway; Mrs.LoneGOPinCT; underbyte; badbackman; Bigfitz; mcswan; posterkid; ...

    If you can, please make it and ping to others

  • hostage rescue attept ceremony Saturday at noon, Arlington

    04/23/2015 5:49:30 AM PDT · 1 of 19
    35th anniversay this year
  • Alabama Woman Joins Islamic State, Urges Americans to Follow Her

    04/21/2015 6:08:17 PM PDT · 12 of 36
    RaceBannon to markomalley


    Hoda Bomblikdis?

  • University Cops Detain Military Veteran Trying to Stop Flag Desecration

    04/21/2015 5:31:07 AM PDT · 16 of 40
    RaceBannon to Kaslin

    Google Michelle Manhart and select images
    She is a nude model, nude body paint model
    I am glad she did what she did, but I wont march with her

  • No, Senator Rubio, Homosexuals Aren't Born that Way

    04/20/2015 5:03:08 PM PDT · 4 of 191
    RaceBannon to xzins

    As Peter Sprigg of the Family Research Council points out, rigorous studies of identical twins have now made it impossible to argue seriously for the theory of genetic determination. If homosexuality were fixed at birth, as the misguided thinking of homosexual activists goes, then if one twin is homosexual, the other should be as well. The “concordance rate” should be 100 percent.

    But it’s not. One early proponent of the “born that way” thesis, Michael Bailey, conducted a study on a large sample of Australian twins and discovered to his chagrin that the concordance rate was just 11 percent.

    Peter Bearman and Hannah Bruckner, researchers from Columbia and Yale respectively, looked at data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health and found concordance rates of just 6.7 percent for male and 5.3 percent for female identical twins.

    They determined that social environment was of far greater significance, and their research led them to reject “genetic influence independent of social context” as an explanation for homosexuality. They concluded, “... [O]ur results support the hypothesis that less gendered socialization in early childhood and preadolescence shapes subsequent same-sex romantic preferences.” In other words, post-birth experiences shape sexual orientation, not genes.

    Bearman’s and Bruckner’s research is born out by no less than eight major studies of identical twins in the U.S., Scandinavia and Australia over the last two decades. They all arrive at the same conclusion: gays aren’t born that way.

    As Sprigg observes, “If it was not clear in the 1990s, it certainly is now — no one is ‘born gay.’”

    No, Marco, homosexuals aren’t born that way
    Bryan Fischer - Guest Columnist
    From NE News Now (News from a Christian perspective)

  • No, Senator Rubio, Homosexuals Aren't Born that Way

    04/20/2015 5:02:42 PM PDT · 3 of 191
    RaceBannon to xzins

    The Importance of Twin Studies
    N. E. Whitehead, Ph.D.
    A constant stream of media articles—several per year—assures us that there is a link between homosexuality and biological features. These articles mention genes, brain structure, hormone levels in the womb, ear characteristics, fingerprint styles, finger lengths, verbal skills...... and by the time you read this, some others may have appeared. The headlines imply that people are born with tendencies which infallibly will make them gay or lesbian, and that change of sexual orientation will be impossible.
    Individually some of these pieces are not very convincing, but the sheer volume of them suggests that they must amount to an overwhelming influence—or if not, further research will add to them and make it so. This is not true either, and we see shortly that twin studies refute it.

    Twin Studies
    Twin studies in their modern form investigate both identical and fraternal twins, but this article emphasizes studies of identical twins, which are sufficient for our purposes. Studies of non-identical twins are detailed elsewhere (1).
    Earlier studies mostly used informal or “snowball” samples of twins recruited from gay and lesbian associations, and by advertisements (e.g. 2,3). Such studies are possibly biased by the nature of twins who volunteer, but even so, if one identical twin was homosexual, only about half the time was the co-twin concordant (i.e. also homosexual).
    Better research, however, was based on twins who were recruited for other reasons, and only subsequently asked about their sexual orientation. These are known as “registry” studies, and they similarly gave a concordance rate between identical twins of less than 50%. There have been two major published registry studies (4,5), one based on the Minnesota Registry, the other on the Australian Registry. The larger of the two registry studies is the Australian one, done by Bailey, Martin and others at the University of Queensland. Using the 14,000+ Australian twin collection, they found that if one twin was homosexual, 38% of the time his identical brother was too. For lesbianism the concordance was 30%. Whether 30% or 50% concordance (snowball samples), all the studies agree it is clearly not 100%.
    The critical factor is that if one identical twin is homosexual, only sometimes is the co-twin homosexual. There is no argument about this in the scientific community.

    Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was a biological condition produced inescapably by the genes (e.g. eye color), then if one identical twin was homosexual, in 100% of the cases his brother would be too. But we know that only about 38% of the time is the identical twin brother homosexual. Genes are responsible for an indirect influence, but on average, they do not force people into homosexuality. This conclusion has been well known in the scientific community for a few decades (e.g. 6) but has not reached the general public. Indeed, the public increasingly believes the opposite.
    Identical twins had essentially the same upbringing. Suppose homosexuality resulted from some interaction with parents that infallibly made children homosexual. Then if one twin was homosexual, the other would also always be homosexual. But as we saw above, if one is homosexual, the other is usually not. Family factors may be an influence, but on average do not compel people to be homosexual.
    Twin studies suggest that as a class, events unique to each twin—neither genetic nor family influences—are more frequent than genetic influences or family influences. But many individual family factors (such as the distant father) are commoner than the individual unique factors. Unique events would include seduction, sexual abuse, chance sexual encounters, or particular reactions to sensitive events, when young. Everyone has their own unique path which only partly follows that of the theoreticians!
    A fascinating sidelight on all this comes from the work of Bailey (7). His team asked non-concordant identical twins (one was homosexual, one not) about their early family environment, and found that the same family environment was experienced or perceived by the twins in quite different ways. These differences led later to homosexuality in one twin, but not in the other.

    Strength of Influences
    At this point, some of you will be asking—what about the concordant identical twins who were both homosexual? Could their genes have “made them do it”?
    No. It can be a strong influence for a few, but even for those few, it is never overwhelming. The record strengths for genetic influence on behaviors are 79% in a group of highly addicted women cocaine addicts (8) and about the same or somewhat higher, for ADHD (9). Because those figures are not 100%, even among addicts or those strongly pushed towards some other behavior, there is room for outside intervention and change. Hence even if homosexuality is as addictive as cocaine for a few individuals, their genes didn’t “make them do it.”
    For perspective, it is valuable to compare genetic contributions to homosexuality with the question - is a girl genetically compelled to become pregnant at 15? Her genes might give her physical characteristics that make her attractive to boys - but whether she gets pregnant will depend greatly on whether her community is Amish or urban, conservative or liberal, whether they use contraceptives, and whether the parents are away for the evening.
    So the influence of the genes is very indirect. We can see this by thinking further - if she was in solitary confinement all her life, would her genes make her become pregnant? Of course not! Some influence from the environment (in this case a boy) is essential! The effects of genes on behaviors are very indirect because genes make proteins, not preferences.
    So the results of identical-twin studies are critical in understanding the biological influences on homosexuality. Only for physical traits like skin color are identical twins 100% concordant; otherwise they don’t necessarily follow either their parents’ genes...or their parents’ admonitions! In this, homosexuality proves to be no different from such unrelated behaviors as violence, being extroverted, or getting divorced. All may be influenced by genes, but not overwhelmingly determined by them.

    Future Biological Research
    Will continuing research eventually find some overwhelming biological influences to produce homosexuality, or find that added together, all the biological influences are overwhelming? No. The twin studies prove that future research will never discover any overwhelming biological factors which compel homosexuality.

    Future Psychological Research
    The complementary finding is just as true. There are many influences from upbringing, and probably many we have not yet discovered—but however many we find, it will always remain true (because the twin studies tell us so) that family influences will never overwhelmingly compel children to be homosexual.
    Childhood Gender non-conformity (essentially strong sissiness, rather than a diagnosis of GID) is the strongest single influence ever found associated with adult homosexuality, but even this factor is not overwhelmingly compelling. 75% of a sample of extremely “sissy” boys became homosexual when followed through to adulthood (10). But we must remember they were so sissy that parents were extremely concerned and referred them to the research clinic for help. Only a small percentage of sissy boys from the general population become homosexual as adults (11). This is even more true of other factors which have been researched and publicized in the media, and leads to a another important rule of thumb: “Only a small minority of those exposed to any predisposing factor become homosexual.”
    This may be a surprise to some clinicians, who may have found high percentages of sissiness, tomboyishness or same-sex parent deficits in their clients. But that is a clinical sample - out in the extra-clinical world, surveys show that only a small percentage of those with poor same-sex parent relationships become homosexual. For whatever reason those factors have often become extremely influential in such clients’ lives and must be taken very seriously; but because they are minor factors in the whole population, clinicians must not force everyone into the same box, which may be uncomfortable, or simply not fit. They must be open to any unusual factor which has been important for the specific client.
    The scientific truth is - our genes don’t force us into anything. But we can support or suppress our genetic tendencies. We can foster them or foil them. If we reinforce our genetic tendencies thousands of times (even if only through homoerotic fantasy), is it surprising that it is hard to change? Similarly, we have a genetic tendency to eat, but it is possible to foster this tendency and overeat for the pleasure it brings. If we repeat that often enough, we will not only reinforce a genetic tendency to become overweight, but find that “starving” the habit takes a long time!
    In summary:
    1. No scientist believes genes by themselves infallibly make us behave in specified ways. Genes create a tendency, not a tyranny.
    2. Identical twin studies show that neither genetic nor family factors are overwhelming.
    3. Conclusion 2 will not be altered by any research in the future.
    4. We can foster or foil genetic or family influences.
    5. Change is possible.

    1. Whitehead, NE; Whitehead,BK (1999): My Genes Made Me Do It! Huntington House, Layfayette, Louisiana. See also www.mygenes.co.nz .
    2. Bailey, JM; Pillard,RC (1991): A genetic study of male sexual orientation. Arch. Gen. Psychiatry48, 1089-1096.
    3. Bailey, JM; Pillard,RC; Neale,MC; Agyei,Y (1993): Heritable factors influence sexual orientation in women. Arch. Gen. Psychiatry 50, 217-223.
    4. Hershberger, SL (1997): A twin registry study of male and female sexual orientation. J. of Sex Research 34, 212-222.
    5. Bailey, JM; Dunne,MP; Martin,NG (2000): Genetic and Environmental influences on sexual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample.J. Pers. Social Psychology 78, 524-536.
    6. West, DJ (1977): Homosexuality Reexamined. 4th ed. Duckworth, London.
    7. Bailey, NM; Pillard,RC (1995): Genetics of human sexual orientation. Ann. Rev. Sex Research6, 126-150.
    8. Kendler, KS; Prescott,CA (1998): Cocaine use, abuse and dependence in a population-based sample of female twins. Brit. J. Psychiatry 173, 345-350.
    9. Rhee, SH; Waldman,ID; Hay,DA; Levy,F (1999): Sex differences in genetic and environmental influences on DSM-III-R attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. J. Abnorm. Psychology 108, 24-41.
    10. Green, R (1987). The “Sissy Boy Syndrome” and the Development of Homosexuality. Yale University Press, New Haven, Connecticut.
    11. Bell, AP; Weinberg,MS; Hammersmith,SK (1981):Sexual Preference: Its Development In Men and Women. Indiana University Press, Bloomington, Indiana.

  • Veteran detained after taking American flag from protesters who were walking on it, report says

    04/19/2015 4:58:24 AM PDT · 8 of 30
    RaceBannon to eastforker

    I think those are civil air patrol

  • The Doolittle Raid

    04/18/2015 1:01:35 PM PDT · 13 of 30
    RaceBannon to Retain Mike
  • The Doolittle Raid

    04/18/2015 12:57:26 PM PDT · 12 of 30
    RaceBannon to Retain Mike
  • WalMart closings alert!

    04/16/2015 2:52:43 AM PDT · 50 of 148
    RaceBannon to Mr Ramsbotham


  • Why the Confederacy Lives

    04/11/2015 8:15:00 AM PDT · 183 of 536
    RaceBannon to iowacornman

    states rights to own slaves, yeah


  • Oklahoma state representative: Use Article V powers to address federal debt

    04/09/2015 2:40:33 AM PDT · 16 of 17
    RaceBannon to cotton1706

    but we have those in the Constitution already.

    I know it is cynical, and I think we do need to do something, however, without a moral people who obey laws, the text of the law is meaningless.

    There is , to use algore’s verbage, no controlling legal authority to make Congress obey the Constitution.

    All there is, is the electorate. And it takes a minimum of 2 years to make any correction to bad law or bad obedience to the law.

    It would be toothless to make these changes unless we install checks and balances not presently in the Constitution. Term limits is about as far as I would go in amending the Constitution, even though I agree with the principles of the Liberty Amendments.

    We have no way to ensure Congress follows the Constitution but voting them out. And in today’s world, too many things happen too quickly, and too many things dont get changed back to what is good. And an article 5 convention wont change that, for the language of the Constitution is not what is at fault, but the morality of the elected and the electorate.

  • Can the Jews Be Destroyed? A Message For All Those Who Say Israel Has No Future

    04/09/2015 2:29:28 AM PDT · 19 of 20
    RaceBannon to kvanbrunt2

    I didnt even read the source, I just posted it for the facts

    I met Dr Showers several times at Bible conferences :)

    He is a great scholar, and I LOVE his teaching style
    clear, plain, not pretentious, and definitely not milk, but steak

  • VANITY: Freeper Blackelk is in hospital, kidney failure, in danger of death (Update # 176, 192, 204)

    04/09/2015 2:23:07 AM PDT · 210 of 212
    RaceBannon to BlackElk

    I hope you’re alright old man!!

  • Can the Jews Be Destroyed? A Message For All Those Who Say Israel Has No Future

    04/08/2015 6:32:47 PM PDT · 11 of 20
    RaceBannon to kindred




    Replacement theology rejects the Biblical revelation concerning the Abrahamic Covenant that God established with the nation of Israel as an everlasting covenant with everlasting ownership of the land of Canaan (Genesis 13:14, 15; 17:7, 8, 19). Replacement theology claims that Israel broke the Abrahamic Covenant when it rejected Jesus Christ at His first coming. As a result, the covenant was repealed, and God forever rejected Israel as a nation. Israel lost ownership of the land and the everlasting nature of the Abrahamic Covenant. God will save individual Jews, but He has no present or future program for Israel as a nation. He has rejected Israel as His people and replaced it with the church. The church is now the Israel of God.

    Replacement theology has immediate political implications. Some church denominations have even petitioned businesses to cut off trade with Israel so it cannot exist as a nation in the Middle East. Some groups have tried to influence the United States government to change its policy of support for Israel that has been in effect since 1948.

    Replacement theology is more than another buzzword or mere theological hairsplitting. While we must respond with charity toward Christians with differing views and work to characterize them correctly, we must also study how our Biblical beliefs have practical implications.

    Beginnings and Early History

    For several years after the church was born in Jerusalem, it was exclusively Jewish in membership. The Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and Savior were persecuted severely by Jews who rejected Him. That persecution prompted Jewish believers to scatter to areas where Samaritans and Gentiles were predominant. Through their witness, Samaritans and many Gentiles became believers in Jesus and part of the church. Before the end of the first century of its existence, the church had become predominantly Gentile in membership.”1 As a result, the church began to experience significant changes from what it had been when it was mainly Jewish in membership.2

    Within one hundred years after the apostles of Christ were gone, the “majority of Gentile Christians regarded the Jewish Scriptures as authoritative,” but began to think “of themselves as the true spiritual heirs of Israel,” and “claimed for themselves the promises which the Hebrews held that Yahweh had made to them.”3 According to Adolph Harnack, “The Christians held that, the Jews having been rejected by God, they themselves had become the chosen people.”4 They claimed that God permanently ended Israel’s unique relationship with Him as a nation, and replaced it with the church as His unique people. Thus, the Christians had become the Israel of God.

    Some anti-Semitic Gentile church leaders played a key role in this significant shift from the original understanding of the Scriptures regarding the nation of Israel’s relationship with God. In response to Jewish attacks against Christian beliefs, some resorted to new methods of Biblical interpretation and wrote rebuttals with varying degrees of anti-Semitic content.

    For example, Justin Martyr (AD 100–165), who defended Christianity against a Jewish enemy, claimed Christians “are the true Israelitic race,”5 and asserted that the Biblical expression “the seed of Jacob,” when properly understood, now refers to the Christians, not the Jews.6 Tertullian (AD 145–220), prominent church theologian from North Africa, interpreted God’s statements to Rebekah concerning the twins (Esau and Jacob) in her womb (Genesis 25:23) in the following manner: Esau, the older brother, represents the Jews; and Jacob, the younger brother, represents the Christians. He indicated that God thereby revealed that the Christians would overcome the Jews and that the Jews would serve the Christians.7 Origen (AD 185–253), the president of the school of theology in Alexandria, Egypt, greatly influenced the church’s acceptance of the allegorical, or spiritualizing, method of interpreting the Bible in contrast to the literal, historical-grammatical method. This method allowed him to claim that the word “Israel” in the Bible can mean the church, not national Israel.8 Cyprian (AD 195–258), bishop of Carthage, stated that he “endeavoured to show that the Jews, according to what had before been foretold, had departed from God, and had lost God’s favour, which had been given them in past time, and had been promised them for the future; while the Christians had succeeded to their place, deserving well of the Lord by faith.”9

    Effects on the Church

    Replacement theology played a significant role in producing major changes in two areas of organized Christendom: ecclesiology and eschatology.10

    Ecclesiology (the nature and function of the church). Replacement theology contributed significantly to the development of Roman Catholic views on the nature of the church. Because Gentile leaders concluded that the church is now the Israel of God, they began to appropriate to the church things that God had instituted specifically for the nation of Israel. Since God gave Israel priests, early Gentile church leaders began to call church leaders priests.

    Since God gave Israel a multitiered priesthood, with one high priest at the top, regular priests under him, and Levites under them, church leaders progressively built a multitiered priesthood for the church with bishops, monarchal bishops, metropolitan bishops, archbishops, cardinals, and one high priest, the pope.

    Since God gave Israel continuing blood sacrifices with animals, church leaders progressively changed the significance of the church’s communion service from a memorial of Christ’s death for the sins of mankind to a continuing sacrifice for sins.

    Eschatology (the final events of the world and humanity). Replacement theology prompted the rejection of Chiliasm, the church’s original view of eschatology. Chiliasm taught that Jesus Christ will return to the earth in the Second Coming, establish God’s earthly political Kingdom, and administer God’s rule for the last one thousand years of this present earth’s history. (Today this view is called premillennialism.) Chiliasm was the predominant view of orthodox Christianity from the first to the third centuries AD.

    Ancient Jews believed and taught that in the future, God’s Messiah would establish God’s earthly political Kingdom and administer God’s rule over the world for the last age of this present earth’s history. Although this view of eschatology was based on Old Testament prophecies, was taught by Christ and His apostles, and was the original view of the church, the replacement theology of some anti-Semitic Gentile church leaders prompted them to reject Chiliasm because it was a Jewish view.

    Augustine (AD 354–430), bishop of Hippo, published the influential Tract against the Jews.11 The influence of anti-Semitic views and Greek philosophy upon his thinking prompted him to reject Chiliasm. Augustine applied the allegorical method of interpretation to the prophets and The Revelation of Jesus Christ, avoiding the implications of some of the millennial passages in the Bible.12

    Augustine developed a new eschatological view called amillennialism. This view denied a future earthly political Kingdom of God over which Christ will administer God’s rule for the last one thousand years of this present earth’s history. Augustine introduced the idea that the church is the Kingdom of God foretold in Daniel 2 and 7 and Revelation 20. He was the first person to teach the idea that the organized Catholic (universal) Church is the messianic Kingdom, and that the Millennium began with the first coming of Christ.13 He stated that “the Church even now is the kingdom of Christ, and the kingdom of heaven.”14 According to this view, the history of this present earth will end at Christ’s second coming, and the future eternal state will begin.

    Augustine’s allegorical amillennialism “became the official doctrine of the church,” and Chiliasm went underground.15 The Roman Catholic Church adopted, strongly advocated, and maintained replacement theology and Augustine’s amillennial view throughout the Middle Ages. Believing that it was the kingdom of God on earth foretold in the Bible, the Roman Catholic Church asserted that it had the right to enforce its beliefs and policies on all people, including political rulers, pagans, and Jews. As a result, it developed into a powerful religious political machine that dominated every aspect of life in western Europe.

    Effects on the Jews

    Replacement theology played a key role in the persecution of Jews by the Roman Catholic Church and Roman Catholic political rulers for centuries to come. In the name of Jesus Christ, hundreds of thousands of Jews were slaughtered as “Christ killers,” and numerous others were uprooted and forced to move to other countries.

    Recent Catholic leaders have worked aggressively to reverse their historical antipathy toward Jews, starting with Nostra Aetate, a 1965 Vatican II document often credited as a breakthrough in Catholic/Jewish relations. John Paul II promoted Jewish relations and Holocaust awareness as major tenets of his papacy. Pope Benedict XVI, a German who grew up during World War II, shows similar interests. But in February 2009, Roman Catholic Bishop Richard Williamson was widely quoted as denying the Holocaust occurred, provoking another break in Catholic/Jewish dialogue.

    Though the 16th century Protestant reformers broke away from the Roman Catholic Church in several key areas of ecclesiology and doctrine, many of them continued to reject Chiliasm as being “Jewish opinions.” Many of the reformers maintained the amillennial view that the Roman Catholic Church had adopted from Augustine. As a result, in much the same manner as the Roman Catholic Church, they believed that they had the right to enforce their beliefs and policies upon all people, including Jews. This does not mean that all the reformers advocated persecution of Jews. However, one certainly did.

    Martin Luther adopted a strong anti-Semitic disposition toward Jews, and wrote and preached extremely vitriolic statements of hatred against them.16 Adolph Hitler read Luther’s statements to the German people to justify the systematic elimination of millions of Jews in the Holocaust of World War II. Today such views are not regarded as mainstream Lutheran thought; some conservative Lutheran groups sponsor outreach ministries to Jews.

    Covenant theology began to develop as a system of theology in the Reformed churches of Switzerland and Germany in the 16th and 17th centuries; passed to the Netherlands, Scotland, and England; and eventually came to America.17 Advocates of covenant theology adopted replacement theology in relationship to the nation of Israel. As a result, they claimed that, because Israel rejected Christ as its Messiah, God forever rejected the nation of Israel as His people and replaced Israel with the church as His people. Thus, the church is now the Israel of God and has inherited the blessings that God originally promised to national Israel. This meant that national Israel lost forever its rightful claim of ownership of the land that God gave to it in ancient times. If carried to its logical conclusion, this would mean that the church is the rightful owner of the land.


    Dispensationalism, with its roots in the early church’s original view of eschatology, provides clear and consistent methods of interpretation—methods that will lead believers to understanding Israel’s continued place in God’s plan for the ages.

    Renald E. Showers (ThD, Grace Theological Seminary) represents the church ministries division of The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry. He is a guest speaker at the 2009 GARBC Conference. This article is an excerpt from Dr. Showers’ new book on replacement theology, to be released this summer.


    1. Kenneth Scott Latourette, The First Five Centuries, vol. 1 in A History of the Expansion of Christianity (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1970), 74.

    2. Ibid., 84.

    3. Ibid., 84.

    4. Adolph Harnack, The Mission and Expansion of Christianity in the First Three Centuries, translated and edited by James Moffatt, vol. 1 (N.Y.: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 2d ed., 1908), 69; quoted by Latourette, The First Five Centuries, vol. 1 in A History of the Expansion of Christianity, 84.

    5. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 1 (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, Inc., 1994), 267.

    6. Ibid.

    7. Roberts and Donaldson, eds., Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 3, 151, 152.

    8. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, vol. 2 (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1973), 791.

    9. Roberts and Donaldson, eds., Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 5, 507.

    10. For a thorough, scholarly treatment of this subject, read Ronald E. Diprose, Israel in the Development of Christian Thought (Rome: Istituto Biblico Evangelico Italiano, 2000).

    11. Ibid., 94.

    12. Augustine, The City of God, Book XX, chap. 6, trans. by Marcus Dods (N.Y.: Random House, Inc., 1950), 717.

    13. Encyclopedia Britannica, 9th ed. s.v. “Millennium.”

    14. Augustine, The City of God, Book XX, chap. 9, 725, 726.

    15. Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th ed., s.v. “Millennialism.”

    16. The Jewish Encyclopedia, vol. VIII, Isidore Singer, managing ed. (N.Y.: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1904), s.v. “Luther, Martin.”

    17. Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Dispensationalism (Chicago: Moody Press, 2007), 214-218.

  • Can the Jews Be Destroyed? A Message For All Those Who Say Israel Has No Future

    04/08/2015 6:30:18 PM PDT · 10 of 20
    RaceBannon to Sherman Logan

    actually, the roman catholic church fathers taught replacement theology, Augustine, I think, I need to look up the quotes

    Church fathers[edit]
    Many Early Christian commentators taught that the Old Covenant was fulfilled and replaced (superseded) by the New Covenant in Christ, for instance:

    Justin Martyr (about 100 to 165): “For the true spiritual Israel ... are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.”[20]
    Hippolytus of Rome (martyred 13 August 235): “[The Jews] have been darkened in the eyes of your soul with a darkness utter and everlasting.”[21]
    Tertullian (ca.160 – ca.220 AD): “Who else, therefore, are understood but we, who, fully taught by the new law, observe these practices,—the old law being obliterated, the coming of whose abolition the action itself demonstrates. . . . Therefore, as we have shown above that the coming cessation of the old law and of the carnal circumcision was declared, so, too, the observance of the new law and the spiritual circumcision has shone out into the voluntary observances of peace.”[22]
    Augustine (354–430) follows these views of the earlier Church Fathers, but he emphasizes the importance to Christianity of the continued existence of the Jewish people: “The Jews ... are thus by their own Scriptures a testimony to us that we have not forged the prophecies about Christ.”[23] The Catholic church built its system of eschatology on his theology, where Christ rules the earth spiritually through his triumphant church. Like his anti-Jewish teacher, St. Ambrose of Milan, he defined Jews as a special subset of those damned to hell, calling them “Witness People”: “Not by bodily death, shall the ungodly race of carnal Jews perish (..) ‘Scatter them abroad, take away their strength. And bring them down O Lord”. Augustine mentioned to “love” the Jews but as a means to convert them to Christianity.[24] Jeremy Cohen,[25] followed by John Y. B. Hood and James Carroll,[26] sees this as having had decisive social consequences, with Carroll saying, “It is not too much to say that, at this juncture, Christianity ‘permitted’ Judaism to endure because of Augustine.”[27]

    Roman Catholicism[edit]
    “ In this Torah, which is Jesus himself, the abiding essence of what was inscribed on the stone tablets at Sinai is now written in living flesh, namely, the twofold commandment of love. . . . To imitate him, to follow him in discipleship, is therefore to keep Torah, which has been fulfilled in him once and for all. Thus the Sinai covenant is indeed superseded. But once what was provisional in it has been swept away, we see what is truly definitive in it. ”
    —Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Many Religions, One Covenant[28]
    Supersessionism is not the name of any official Roman Catholic doctrine and the word appears in no Church documents, but official Catholic teaching has reflected varying levels supersessionist thought throughout its history, especially prior to the mid-twentieth century. Supersessionist theology is extensive in Catholic liturgy and literature.[5] The Codex Justinianus (1:5:12) for example defines “everyone who is not devoted to the Catholic Church and to our Orthodox holy Faith” a heretic and Catholic liturgy contains echoes of supersessionist theology. The Second Vatican Council (1962–65) marked a shift in official Catholic teaching about Judaism, a shift which may be described as a move from “hard” to “soft” supersessionism, to use the terminology of David Novak (below).[29]

    Pope Pius XII held supersessionist views.
    Prior to Vatican II, Catholic doctrine on the matter was characterized by “displacement” or “substitution” theologies, according to which the Church and its New Covenant took the place of Judaism and its “Old Covenant,” the latter being rendered void by the coming of Jesus.[30] The nullification of the Old Covenant was often explained in terms of the “deicide charge” that Jews forfeited their covenantal relationship with God by executing the divine Christ.[31] As recently as 1943, Pope Pius XII stated in his encyclical “Mystici corporis Christi”:

    “By the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ… [O]n the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race.”[32]

    At the Second Vatican Council, which convened within two decades of the Holocaust, there emerged a different framework for thinking about the status of the Jews’ covenant. The declaration Nostra aetate, promulgated in 1965, made several statements which signaled a shift away from “hard supersessionist” replacement thinking which posited that the Jews’ covenant was no longer acknowledged by God. Retrieving Paul’s language in chapter 11 of his Epistle to the Romans, the declaration states, “God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues… Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures.”[33] Notably, a draft of the declaration contained a passage which originally called for the “the entry of that [Jewish] people into the fullness of the people of God established by Christ;”[34] however, at the suggestion of Catholic priest (and convert from Judaism) John M. Oesterreicher,[35] it was replaced in the final promulgated version with the following language: “the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and ‘serve him shoulder to shoulder’ (Zeph 3:9).”.[33]

    After the death of Pope John Paul II, the Anti-Defamation League stated that “more change for the better took place in his 27-year Papacy than in the nearly 2,000 years before.”[36]
    Further developments in Catholic thinking on the covenantal status of Jews were led by Pope John Paul II. Among his most noteworthy statements on the matter is that which occurred during his historic visit to the synagogue in Mainz (1980), where he called Jews the “people of God of the Old Covenant, which has never been abrogated by God (cf. Rm 11:29, “for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” [NRSV]).”[37] In 1997, John Paul II again affirmed the Jews’ covenantal status: “This people continues in spite of everything to be the people of the covenant and, despite human infidelity, the Lord is faithful to his covenant.”[37]

    The post-Vatican II shift toward acknowledging the Jews as a covenanted people has led to heated discussions in the Catholic Church over the issue missionary activity directed toward Jews, with some Catholics theologians reasoning that “if Christ is the redeemer of the world, every tongue should confess him,”[38] while others vehemently oppose “targeting Jews for conversion.”[39] Weighing in on this matter, Cardinal Walter Kasper, then President of the Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews, reaffirmed the validity of the Jews’ covenant and then continued:

    “[B]ecause as Christians we know that God’s covenant with Israel by God’s faithfulness is not broken (Rom 11,29; cf. 3,4), mission understood as call to conversion from idolatry to the living and true God (1 Thes 1,9) does not apply and cannot be applied to Jews…. This is not a merely abstract theological affirmation, but an affirmation that has concrete and tangible consequences; namely, that there is no organised Catholic missionary activity towards Jews as there is for all other non–Christian religions.”[40]

    “ God’s grace, which is the grace of Jesus Christ according to our faith, is available to all. Therefore, the Church believes that Judaism, [as] the faithful response of the Jewish people to God’s irrevocable covenant, is salvific for them, because God is faithful to his promises. ”
    —Cardinal Walter Kasper, May 2001[41]
    Recently, in his apostolic exhortation Evangelii gaudium (2013), Pope Francis’s own teaching on the matter closely mirrored these words of Cardinal Kasper.[42] In 2011, Kasper specifically repudiated the notion of “displacement” theology, clarifying that the “New Covenant for Christians is not the replacement (substitution), but the fulfillment of the Old Covenant.”[43]

    These statements from Catholic officials signal a shift away from a “hard” supersessionist model of displacement. Nevertheless, the references to the Church as the “new People of God” and the New Covenant as “fulfilling” the Old Covenant (irrevocable though it might be) imply a clear Christian superiority and thus comport with a “soft” supersessionism. It should be noted that fringe Catholic groups, such as the Society of St. Pius X, strongly oppose the theological developments concerning Judaism made at Vatican II and retain “hard” supersessionist views.[44] Even among mainstream Catholic groups and official Catholic teaching, elements of “soft” supersessionism remain:

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church refers to a future corporate repentance on the part of Jews:
    “The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by ‘all Israel,’ for ‘a hardening has come upon part of Israel’ in their ‘unbelief’ toward Jesus [Rom 11:20-26; cf. Mt 23:39]. ... The ‘full inclusion’ of the Jews in the Messiah’s salvation, in the wake of ‘the full number of the Gentiles’ [Rom 11:12, 25; cf. Lk 21:24], will enable the People of God to achieve ‘the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,’ in which ‘God may be all in all.’”[45]

    The Church teaches that there is an integral continuity between the covenants rather than a rupture.[46]
    In the Second Vatican Council’s [47] (1964), the Church stated that God “chose the race of Israel as a people” and “set up a covenant” with them, instructing them and making them holy. However, “all these things…. were done by way of preparation and as a figure of that new and perfect covenant” instituted by and ratified in Christ (no. 9).
    In Notes on the Correct Way to Present the Jews and Judaism (1985), the Church stated that the “Church and Judaism cannot then be seen as two parallel ways of salvation and the Church must witness to Christ as the Redeemer of all.”


  • Oklahoma state representative: Use Article V powers to address federal debt

    04/08/2015 3:28:34 PM PDT · 9 of 17
    RaceBannon to cotton1706

    I am asking this as a serious question, although it sound smarmy

    They aren’t following the Constitution now, why will they all of a sudden follow the Constitution if we pass these amendments?

  • Cruz vs. Rand Paul in Presidential Vids: Do you want "Blessing" or "different kind of Republican?"

    04/06/2015 6:23:52 PM PDT · 22 of 47
    RaceBannon to 2ndDivisionVet


  • Mark of the Beast: A Concerning Word on John MacArthur [Rev 14:9-11]

    04/06/2015 3:35:59 PM PDT · 7 of 18
    RaceBannon to Jan_Sobieski

    Macarthur is a heretic

    been one for years

  • Obama Manages To Bring Racism Into His Official Statement Marking Passover…

    04/06/2015 2:47:15 PM PDT · 33 of 35
    RaceBannon to FR_addict

    How many different messages did he make??

  • Obama Manages To Bring Racism Into His Official Statement Marking Passover…

  • Obama Manages To Bring Racism Into His Official Statement Marking Passover…

    04/06/2015 2:59:14 AM PDT · 1 of 35
    Via WhiteHouse.gov:

    Statement from the President on Passover

    Michelle and I send our warmest greetings to all those celebrating Passover in the United States, in the State of Israel, and throughout the world.

    Tonight, for the seventh year, I’ll hold a Seder in the White House, and we’ll join millions of Jewish families as we retell one of humanity’s great stories of liberation. The Exodus was neither easy nor quick. The Israelites’ journey to freedom required them to choose faith over fear and courage over complacency. Above all, it required the works of an awesome God, who led them out of bondage with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.

    The story of the Exodus – the signs and wonders that appeared when hope seemed lost, the Jewish people’s abiding belief that they would one day reach the Promised Land – has inspired countless generations over the years. It inspired Jewish families to hold fast to their faith, even during times of terrible persecution. It inspired young Civil Rights leaders as they marched across an Alabama bridge in search of their own Promised Land, half a century ago.

    And it continues to inspire us today. Tonight, my family will read the passage of the Haggadah that declares we must see ourselves as though we personally were liberated from Egypt. The Exodus reminds us that progress has always come slow and the future has always been uncertain, but it also reminds there is always reason for hope.

    Like the Israelites who Moses led out of slavery long ago, it is up to us to never lose faith in the better day that lies ahead. In our own country, we can continue our march toward a more perfect union. Around the world, we can seek to extend the miracles of freedom and peace, prosperity and security, to more of God’s creation. And together, we can continue the hard but awesome work of tikkun olam, and do our part to repair the world.

  • Kenya University Attack: 'They Were Lined Up And Executed' [No Condemnation From Obama?]

    04/03/2015 10:37:12 AM PDT · 17 of 48
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    President Obama, thee has been a mass shooting of Christians in Kenya, your home country!

    Oh, No, Are the Muslims okay??

  • Gov. Malloy: Indiana "Religious Freedom" Law is Covering "Outright Bigotry"

    04/01/2015 3:12:57 PM PDT · 9 of 43
    RaceBannon to Tailgunner Joe

    I dont know the formal name of that law, but the religious freedom restoration act?
    The one Indiana and Arkansas were trying to implement?
    It was supposed to PROTECT Christians, not brand us a TARGETS!
    Our nation has fallen, we have abandoned God...
    Judg 21:25 In those days [there was] no king in Israel: every man did [that which was] right in his own eyes.

  • Mike Pence Promises To Fix Indiana Law So It Bars Discrimination (caves to gaystapo)

    04/01/2015 3:12:22 PM PDT · 123 of 133
    RaceBannon to fifedom

    I dont know the formal name of that law, but the religious freedom restoration act?
    The one Indiana and Arkansas were trying to implement?
    It was supposed to PROTECT Christians, not brand us a TARGETS!
    Our nation has fallen, we have abandoned God...
    Judg 21:25 In those days [there was] no king in Israel: every man did [that which was] right in his own eyes.

  • Obama to make first visit to Kenya as president

    03/30/2015 3:46:10 PM PDT · 57 of 65
    RaceBannon to left that other site

    we didnt eat dogs in kenya, they were sickened to hear of the Philippines

    but we did eat Zebra :)

    Maybe it was wildebeast, but, it wasnt on a stick, so, it wasnt dog

  • Obama to make first visit to Kenya as president

    03/30/2015 3:37:09 PM PDT · 56 of 65
    RaceBannon to Dr. Thorne
  • Obama to make first visit to Kenya as president

    03/30/2015 3:36:05 PM PDT · 55 of 65
    RaceBannon to Seizethecarp

    everytime he leaves the country, that is when I feel Iran is going to bomb us
    So he is out of CONUS and we all die and he stays alive

  • Memory Eternal: Dad is gone (prayers please)

    03/30/2015 3:16:44 PM PDT · 26 of 79
    RaceBannon to NRx

    I’m so sorry
    My Mom is 90 and in the home, we are just waiting the day
    Alzhiemers is not a good way to go.
    You have my deepest sympathy.
    Freepers greeted me in 2004 when I lost my Dad.

  • Bogalusa teenage hero rescued children after boating accident

    03/30/2015 3:11:49 PM PDT · 3 of 17
    RaceBannon to BBell

    this 16 year old bought that shotgun??
    HE was the sportsman??

  • Andreas Lubitz: Germanwings flight's last minutes revealed in chilling black box transcript

    03/29/2015 2:47:54 PM PDT · 89 of 156
    RaceBannon to zipper

    They most likely died on the first impact, their vertical fall rate was most likely 100 ft/min, they got knocked out at least

  • Andreas Lubitz: Germanwings flight's last minutes revealed in chilling black box transcript

    03/29/2015 10:40:39 AM PDT · 60 of 156
    RaceBannon to zipper

    it skipped over a mile, I bet it bounced at least once as it pancaked

  • Andreas Lubitz: Germanwings flight's last minutes revealed in chilling black box transcript

    03/29/2015 10:12:37 AM PDT · 55 of 156
    RaceBannon to exit82

    that guy is an idiot

    Airplanes DO leave body part when they pancake

    the bodies are ripped apart because they went from 500MPH to zero in 3 seconds, all limbs rip off

    If they dont, all ligiments are torn and hanging as the limbs stay on but the body is jello due to the g-force decelleration

    Sort of like being inside a blast, if the shrapnel dont kill you, the shock wave crushes your internal organs, still, you look like putty and die anyways

    That idiot had a lsd induced vision or something

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/29/2015 2:05:50 AM PDT · 563 of 814
    RaceBannon to Elsie

    Bush had one, too, not just Obama
    But Bush and Obama aren’t religious leaders of an individual sect!

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 3:06:57 PM PDT · 526 of 814
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    that type of dishonest response is also beneath the thinking person

    But, as one of the RCC said on here, the RCC is not a Biblical Faith, not the faith of Bible Believers

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 3:01:57 PM PDT · 525 of 814
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    that’s funny

    you keep changing the subject and then blame me when I answer your false charge and claim I am changing the subject
    that’s funny

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 11:22:20 AM PDT · 517 of 814
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    but, you havent refuted anything, and it was YOU who changed the subject

    that is why this is so fun, you guys keep getting caught contradicting yourselves :)

    Here is a BIBLICAL answer to why Dec 25 is NOT the right day for Christmas, as romanism teaches:


    after all, YOU brought this up, not me.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 11:14:46 AM PDT · 513 of 814
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    as for celebrating Easter, dont you know EASTER is a PAGAN name and not a Christian one?

    Jesus was crucified on PASSOVER, not a pagan holiday


  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 11:13:17 AM PDT · 511 of 814
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    once again, you prove you arent a Bible Believing Christian, your own words remember:

    Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
    Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
    Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
    Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
    Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 11:10:01 AM PDT · 510 of 814
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    I cant blame you for not keeping up...


  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 10:50:47 AM PDT · 506 of 814
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    wow , you just keep proving my point, especially the thread I started on the apostasy of the church fathers

    keep going...

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 10:28:10 AM PDT · 498 of 814
    RaceBannon to RaceBannon; metmom; Elsie; CynicalBear

    ping to 495 and 496

  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 10:26:34 AM PDT · 496 of 814
    RaceBannon to vladimir998

    google the term CHRISLAM

    It is the amalgamation of Christianity and Islam

    the Christian leaders are rick warren, joel osteen and the Pope

    the muslim leaders are varied, no international ones, but they let the pope pray in the mosque in istanbul, the pope let the mussies pray in the vatican


  • Because Mary Said “Yes…” — A Reflection For The Solemnity of the Annunciation of Our Lord

    03/28/2015 10:22:12 AM PDT · 495 of 814
    RaceBannon to Steelfish

    it would be funny if your eternal salvation didnt depend on the doctrine taught by people you call:
    “Bible-based Christians”
    Because it means you do NOT consider yourself a Bible based Christian, and yet, you define Rome as the head of the body of Christ

    You in your own words told everyone what we have been saying all along, namely; that Roman Catholicism isn’t a Bible based system

    and you proved it.

  • Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz had just been DUMPED by fiancée before he murdered 149

    03/28/2015 5:51:34 AM PDT · 73 of 77
    RaceBannon to firebrand; piasa

    I found another article that said the exciting find was a torn up doctor’s note for him to take a day off

    and that he was taking psych meds

    I dont think Germany will admit to the islamic angle, but they might admit to the psych meds angle

    how many shootings so far connected to psych meds?
    Wouldnt surprise me to hear it was too many psych meds, too, that or Islam