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    THE ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS: A MYSTICAL POWERHOUSE

    THE ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS: A MYSTICAL POWERHOUSE

    Enlarged January 22, 2009 (first published November 13, 2008) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the information paragraph at the end of the article) -

    The following is excerpted from the book
    Contemplative Mysticism: A Powerful Ecumenical Bond, which is available from Way of Life Literature in print and eBook formats.

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    The Mass or Eucharist is the highpoint of mysticism in the Roman Catholic Church. As we shall see in the chapter on “A Description of Roman Catholic Monasticism,” it was the very heart and soul of ancient Catholic monastic mysticism and it remains so today. The monks and nuns center their lives on the Mass.

    What could be more mystical than touching God with your hands and taking Him into your very being by eating him in the form of a wafer? In the Mass the strangely-clothed, mysterious priest (ordained after the order of Melchisedec) pronounces words that mystically turn a wafer of unleavened bread into the very body of Jesus. The consecrated wafer, called a host (meaning victim) is eaten by the people.

    On some occasions one larger host is placed in a gaudy metal holder called a monstrance to be worshipped (“adored”) as God. This is called Eucharistic adoration.

    Eventually the host is placed in its own little tabernacle as the focus of worship between Masses. A lamp or a candle is lit to signify the fact that the consecrated host is present.

    This highly mystical ritual is multisensory, involving touch (dipping the finger into holy water and touching the wafer), sight (the splendor of the church, the priestly garments, the instruments of the Mass), smell (incense), hearing (reading, chanting, bells), and taste (eating the wafer).

    The Mass is even said to bring the participant into “divine union” like other forms of contemplative mysticism (Thomas à Kempis,
    The Imitation of Christ, book IV, chap. 15, 4, p. 210).

    The Second Vatican Council reaffirmed the centrality of the Mass in Catholic life:

    “The celebration of the Mass ... is the centre of the whole Christian life for the universal Church, the local Church and for each and every one of the faithful. For therein is the culminating action whereby God sanctifies the world in Christ and men worship the Father as they adore him through Christ the Son of God” (
    Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents, edited by Austin Flannery, 1975, “The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, General Instruction on the Roman Missal,” chap. 1, 1, p. 159).

    The Catholic Mass is not a mere remembrance of Christ’s death; it is a re-sacrifice of Christ, and the consecrated host IS Christ. Consider statements from the authoritative Council of Trent, Second Vatican Council, and the
    New Catholic Catechism.

    “There is, therefore, no room for doubt that all the faithful of Christ may, in accordance with a custom always received in the Catholic Church, give to this most holy sacrament in veneration the worship of latria, which is due to the true God” (
    The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, translated by H. J. Schroeder, chap. v, “The Worship and Veneration to be Shown to This Most Holy Sacrament,” p. 76).

    “The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different. And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner... this sacrifice is truly propitiatory” (Council of Trent,
    Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2, quoted in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1367).

    “For in the sacrifice of the Mass Our Lord is immolated when ‘he begins to be present sacramentally as the spiritual food of the faithful under the appearances of bread and wine.’ … For in it Christ perpetuates in an unbloody manner the sacrifice offered on the cross, offering himself to the Father for the world’s salvation through the ministry of priests” (
    Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents, “The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy,” Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Introduction, C 1,2, p. 108).

    “The faithful should therefore strive to worship Christ our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. ... Pastors [priests] should exhort them to this, and set them a good example. ... The place in a church or oratory where the Blessed Sacrament is reserved in the tabernacle should be truly prominent. It ought to be suitable for private prayer so that the faithful may easily and fruitfully, by private devotion also, continue to honour our Lord in this sacrament” (
    Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents, “The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy,” Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Chap. 3, I B, p. 132).

    “By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity” (
    New Catholic Catechism, 1314).

    “Because Christ himself is present in the sacrament of the altar he is to be honoured with the worship of adoration” (
    New Catholic Catechism, 1418).

    “The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice ... ‘In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner’” (
    New Catholic Catechism, 1367)

    “In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. ... reserving the consecrated hosts with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession” (
    New Catholic Catechism, 1378).

    The consecrated host is therefore worshipped as Christ.

    It is obvious that the Mass is not a Scriptural practice. The apostle Paul, under divine inspiration, taught the churches the significance of the Lord’s Supper (1 Corinthians 11:17-34), and he did not say that it is a repetition of Christ’s sacrifice. It is not Christ becoming a piece of bread. It is not an occasion to eat Christ or partake of him “sacramentally.” It is a simple memorial meal, a time of remembrance and confession and worship.

    “For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do IN REMEMBRANCE OF me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, IN REMEMBRANCE OF me” (1 Corinthians 11:23-25).

    Paul said that he received this teaching directly from the Lord. It is authoritative. He is the divinely-chosen apostle of the Gentiles, and he praised the churches for keeping the ordinances as he delivered them (1 Corinthians 11:2).

    Speaking for all of the Catholic nuns and priests that are quoted by Richard Foster and others in the contemplative movement, Mother Teresa said that her Jesus is the consecrated wafer of the Mass. In her speech at the Worldwide Retreat for Priests, October 1984, in the Paul VI Audience Hall at Vatican City, she made the following statements:

    “At the word of a priest, THAT LITTLE PIECE OF BREAD BECOMES THE BODY OF CHRIST, the Bread of Life. Then you give this living Bread to us, so that we too might live and become holy” (Mother Teresa, cited in
    Be Holy: God’s First Call to Priests Today, edited by Tom Forrest, 1987, p. 108).

    “I remember the time a few years back, when the president of Yeman asked us to send some of our sisters to his country. I told him that this was difficult because for so many years no chapel was allowed in Yemen for saying a public mass, and no one was allowed to function there publicly as a priest. I explained that I wanted to give them sisters, but the trouble was that, without a priest, without Jesus going with them, our sisters couldn’t go anywhere. It seems that the president of Yemen had some kind of a consultation, and the answer that came back to us was, ‘Yes, you can send a priest with the sisters!’ I was so struck with the thought that ONLY WHEN THE PRIEST IS THERE CAN WE HAVE OUR ALTAR AND OUR TABERNACLE AND OUR JESUS. ONLY THE PRIEST CAN PUT JESUS THERE FOR US. ... Jesus wants to go there, but we cannot bring him unless you first give him to us” (Mother Teresa,
    Be Holy, pp. 109, 111).

    “One day she [a girl working in Calcutta] came, putting her arms around me, and saying, ‘I have found Jesus.’ ... ‘And just what were you doing when you found him?’ I asked. She answered that after 15 years she had finally gone to confession, and received Holy Communion from the hands of a priest. Her face was changed, and she was smiling. She was a different person because THAT PRIEST HAD GIVEN HER JESUS” (Mother Teresa,
    Be Holy, p. 74).

    Some Catholics have charged me with misrepresenting their church, but surely the Second Vatican Council and the
    New Catholic Catechism and Mother Teresa are authentic voices. Mother Teresa plainly stated that her Jesus was the wafer of the Mass.

    In the 1990s I visited a cloistered nunnery in Quebec. A pastor friend took me with him when he visited his aunt who had lived there for many decades. He and his wife wanted to show the nun their new baby. She wasn’t allowed to come out into the meeting room to see us; she had to stay behind a metal grill and talk to us from there. The nuns pray in shifts before the consecrated host in the chapel. That is their Jesus and the object of their prayers. At the entrance of the chapel there was a sign that said, “YOU ARE ENTERING TO ADORE THE JESUS-HOST.” Nuns were sitting in the chapel facing the host and praying their rosaries and saying their prayers to Mary and their “Our Fathers” and other repetitious mantras, vainly and sadly whiling away their lives in ascetic apostasy.

    In the next chapter we will see that the Catholic saints, who are so exalted today by contemplatives, worshipped the Jesus-host of the Mass.

    Many modern converts to Romanism mention the role that the Mass played in their conversion. There is doubtless a true occultic power in this ritual.

    The following is the testimony of Marie-Ange Desrosiers of Quebec in which she describes the powerful occultic experience that she had at a Catholic mass following her conversion to the grace of Jesus Christ. She gave this testimony to me in an e-mail dated November 15, 2008, and I am using it with her permission.

    “I was raised in a very rigid catholic religion in the 1940-1950 and I learned only about a God of wrath. At the age of twenty, I quit the Catholic Church because I was unable to observe all their laws. For the next 25 years, I forgot about God. But God never forgot me. Through a long, circuitous and painful road, he led me back to Him, the real God. I am a recent convert to the Baptist faith. I was baptized in September and will now be part of a very small French Baptist church in Canada. What I want to tell you is about your writings on mysticism. You can take the girl out of the Catholic Church, but it is very hard to take the church out of the girl. Until I started reading your books, I never really re-examined what I was taught with my mother’s milk. I did not like the Catholic Church but I could not tell you what was wrong with it. To make a long story short, on August the 9th, 2008, I went to a family wedding in a catholic church. Of course, I remained in my pew and did not partake of Communion because I do not believe in it. But the emotional fervor around me was so strong as to become palpable. And all of a sudden, I was enveloped in a warm sort of embrace that was so powerful and so marvelously pleasant that I was amazed. What is happening? I thought. It got stronger and stronger, and more and more physically enjoyable. My hands, feet, mouth, my whole face started to tingle very pleasurably. I was immensely drawn into that warm, loving, physical feeling. Then I heard myself whisper: Too bad it is not true, it is so pleasant. And then, I came back forcefully to myself and said NO! NO! And the thing left me. I did not know what it was but I had a strong feeling it was wrong. Since then, I happened to read a book by Roger Oakland, ‘The Eucharistic Jesus,’ where he speaks quite clearly of the end-times delusion of experiential spirituality mentioned in the Bible. And even after it left me, I could feel and almost see that thing around other people in the church who had swallowed their ‘wafer god.’ It is going to be very hard for people who undergo this experience repeatedly to believe it does not come from God. And only the Holy Spirit protecting me allowed me to refuse it. The Lord has protected me all my life, even when I did not belong to Him yet. But my poor, poor family. How I weep for them! And I pray daily that the Lord opens their mind and their heart to His word. But this ‘thing’ is so, so seducing. It will take a mighty wind of the Lord to tear it away from my family. By the way, the Catholic Church calls it an anointing of the Lord. I can it the embrace of Satan. Pray for us, please, I will also pray for you.”

    The Mass is a mystical powerhouse.
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    This report is excerpted from our book
    Contemplative Mysticism: A Powerful Ecumenical Bond, which is available from Way of Life Literature in print and eBook formats.

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  • The Church Ordinances: Baptism and Communion

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    Roman Catholic Heresies Documented

    Roman Catholic Heresies Documented

    February 24, 2009 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org) -
     
    Many of today’s evangelicals and fundamentalists have an astounding ignorance of Roman Catholicism. The average bookstore does not supply materials that expose the truth of Rome’s heresies, and the popular syndicated radio preachers and evangelical authors are nearly silent on these matters.
     
    In this article we quote from the two most up-to-date official pronouncements of Catholic doctrine, the Vatican II Council and the New Catholic Catechism.
     

    VATICAN II RE-STATES CATHOLIC HERESIES

     
    The Vatican II Council was an official Catholic doctrinal convocation lasting three years (from October 1962 to December 1965) and attended by more than 2400 Roman Catholic bishops. It was led by two popes, John Paul XXIII and Paul VI. These are not just the pronouncements of a Catholic apologist or even of a pope. These are the most authoritative doctrinal pronouncements of modern Roman Catholicism.
     
    The publication cited in the following quotes is
    Vatican Council II—the Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents. This volume is published by the Roman Catholic Church and contains the following Imprimatur [a Latin word meaning “let it be printed,” showing it has been approved for publication by the Catholic hierarchy]: Walter P. Kellenberg, D.D., Bishop of Rockville Centre, August 12, 1975.
     
    The Mass a Re-sacrifice of Christ
     
    “Hence the Mass, the Lord’s Supper, is at the same time and inseparably: a sacrifice in which the sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated; a memorial of the death and resurrection of the Lord, who said ‘do this in memory of me’ (Lk. 22:19) …

    In the Mass, therefore, the sacrifice and sacred meal belong to the same mystery—so much so that they are linked by the closest bond. For in the sacrifice of the Mass Our Lord is immolated when ‘he begins to be present sacramentally as the spiritual food of the faithful under the appearances of bread and wine.’ … For in it Christ perpetuates in an unbloody manner the sacrifice offered on the cross, offering himself to the Father for the world’s salvation through the ministry of priests” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Introduction, C 1,2, p. 108).
     
    Christ Present in the Elements of the Mass

     

    “In this sacrament Christ is present in a unique way, whole and entire, God and man, substantially and permanently. This presence of Christ under the species ‘is called real, not in an exclusive sense, as if the other kinds of presence were not real, but par excellence” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Chap. 1, E, p. 114).
     
    “In the celebration of Mass there is proclaimed the wonderful mystery of the real presence of Christ our Lord under the eucharistic species. The Second Vatican Council and other magisterial pronouncements of the Church have confirmed this truth in the same sense and the same words as those in which the Council of Trent defined it as an article of faith. ... Christ becomes present through an essential change in the elements” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, General Instruction on the Roman Missal, foreword, 3, p. 154).
     
    The Mass Is a Part of Salvation
     
    “As often as the sacrifice of the cross by which ‘Christ our Pasch is sacrificed’ (1 Cor. 5:7) is celebrated on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Chapter 1, 3, p. 324).
     
    The Mass the Center of Christian life
     
    “The celebration of the Mass ... is the centre of the whole Christian life for the universal Church, the local Church and for each and every one of the faithful. For therein is the culminating action whereby God sanctifies the world in Christ and men worship the Father as they adore him through Christ the Son of God” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, General Instruction on the Roman Missal, chap. 1, 1, p. 159).
     
    Christ Is to Be Worshipped in the Wafer

     

    “The reservation of the sacred species for the sick ... led to the praiseworthy custom of adoring the heavenly food which is preserved in churches. This practice of adoration has a valid and firm foundation, especially since belief in the real presence of the Lord has as its natural consequence the external and public manifestation of that belief” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Chap. 3, I A, p. 131).
     
    “The faithful should therefore strive to worship Christ our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. ... Pastors [priests] should exhort them to this, and set them a good example. ... The place in a church or oratory where the Blessed Sacrament is reserved in the tabernacle [place where the consecrated wafer is kept and worshiped between Masses] should be truly prominent. It ought to be suitable for private prayer so that the faithful may easily and fruitfully, by private devotion also, continue to honour our Lord in this sacrament” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Chap. 3, I B, p. 132).
     
    “Devotion, both private and public, towards the sacrament of the altar even outside Mass ... is highly recommended by the Church, since the eucharistic sacrifice is the source and summit of the whole Christian life” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Chap. 3, III, p. 134).
     
    “All the faithful ought to show to this most holy sacrament the worship which is due to the true God, as has always been the custom of the Catholic Church. Nor is it to be adored any the less because it was instituted by Christ to be eaten. For even in the reserved sacrament he is to be adored because he is substantially present there through that conversion of bread and wine which, as the Council of Trent tells us, is most aptly named transubstantiation” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Intro., C 6, pp. 109,10).
     
    “It is necessary to instruct the faithful that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour and that the same worship and adoration given to God is owed to him present under the sacramental signs” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on Facilitating Sacramental Eucharistic Communion in Particular Circumstances, Piety and Reverence Towards the Sacrament, p. 221).
     
    The Wafer to Be Carried in Processions
     
    “In processions in which the Blessed Sacrament is solemnly carried through the streets to the singing of hymns, especially on the feast of Corpus Christi, the Christian people give public witness to their faith and devotion towards this sacrament” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, Chap. 3, III, p. 134).
     
    Masses for the Dead
     
    “Holy Mother Church is extremely concerned for the faithful departed. She has decided to intercede for them to the fullest extent in every Mass and abrogates every special privilege in this matter” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Apostolic Constitution on the Revision of Indulgences, V, Indulgences not Attached to Things and Places, Norms, 20, p. 87).
     
    “The Church offers the Paschal Sacrifice [the Mass] for the Dead so that ... the dead may be helped by the prayers and the living may be consoled by hope” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, General Instruction on the Roman Missal, VIII, Masses for the  Dead, 335, p. 197).
     
    Mass Must be Performed in Strict Accordance with Catholic Tradition
     
    “To safeguard the success of these celebrations and to obtain a greater spiritual efficaciousness ... attention must be given to the form. ... The texts of the Mass should be taken from the missal or from approved supplements. Every change ... is arbitrary and therefore rejected ... The furnishings of the altar (cross, altar cloth, candles, missal, purificator, corporal, hand towel and communion plate), the sacred vessels (chalice, paten, pyx), the vestments (amice, alb, cincture, stole and chasuble) should be, in number, form and quality, as desired by present legislation. ... The ritual gestures and the ceremonies of the celebrant, as well as the attitude of the participants should be those prescribed for the normal eucharistic celebration” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Instruction on Masses for Special Groups, 11a,b, p. 146).
     
    The Wine Can Be Taken Only on Special Occasions
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    “First, they should be reminded that, according to the Catholic faith, Christ is received whole and entire in a complete sacrament even when people communicate under one kind only [take only the wafer without the juice]. And they are not thereby deprived of any grace necessary for salvation ... With the bishop’s approval and after due instruction the following persons may receive Communion from the chalice ... [there follows 14 groups of persons who are permitted to partake of the juice during special Masses performed at weddings, baptisms, ordinations, and certain retreats]” (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, General Instruction on the Roman Missal, IV, 241, 242, pp. 181-182)
     
    Catholic Traditions on Equal Par with Scripture
     
    “Sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal ... Thus it comes about that the Church does not draw her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Hence, both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honoured with equal feelings of devotion and reverence” (Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, Chap. 2, 9, p. 682).
     
    Salvation Is through the Sacraments and the Church

     

    “Just as Christ was sent by the Father so also he sent the apostles ... that they might preach the gospel to every creature and proclaim that the Son of God by his death and resurrection had freed us from the power of Satan and from death, and brought us into the Kingdom of his Father. But he also willed that the work of salvation which they preached should be set in train through the sacrifice and sacraments, around which the entire liturgical [ritualistic] life revolves. Thus by Baptism men are grafted  into the paschal mystery of Christ. ... They receive the spirit of adoption as sons” (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Chap. 1, I, 5,6, pp. 23-24).
     
    “In that body the life of Christ is communicated to those who believe and who, through the sacraments, are united in a hidden and real way to Christ in his passion and glorification. Through baptism we are formed in the likeness of Christ: ‘For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body’ (1 Cor. 12:13). In this sacred rite fellowship in Christ’s death and resurrection is symbolized and is brought about” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Chap. 1, 7, p. 327).
     
    “For it is the liturgy through which, especially in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, ‘the work of our redemption is accomplished,’ and it is through the liturgy, especially, that the faithful are enabled to express in their lives and manifest to others the mystery of Christ and the real nature of the true Church” (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Introduction, para. 2).
     
    Salvation Distributed by the Pope
     
    “For ‘God’s only-begotten Son ... has won a treasure for the militant Church ... he has entrusted it to blessed Peter, the key-bearer of heaven, and to his successors who are Christ’s vicars on earth, so that they may distribute it to the faithful for their salvation. They may apply it with mercy for reasonable causes to all who have repented for and have confessed their sins. At times they may remit completely, and at other times only partially, the temporal punishment due to sin in a general as well as in special ways (insofar as they judge it to be fitting in the sight of the Lord). The merits of the Blessed Mother of God and of all the elect ... are known to add further to this treasury’” (ellipsis are in the original) (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Apostolic Constitution on the Revision of Indulgences, Chap. 4, 7, p. 80).
     
    Salvation through the Catholic Church

     

    “For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fulness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God” (Decree on Ecumenism, chap. 1, 3, p. 415).
     
    “This holy Council first of all turns its attention to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself on scripture and tradition, it teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk. 16:16; Jn. 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, II, 14, p. 336).
     
    Salvation by Good Works
     
    “From the most ancient times in the Church good works were also offered to God for the salvation of sinners, particularly the works which human weakness finds hard. Because the sufferings of the martyrs for the faith and for God’s law were thought to be very valuable, penitents used to turn to the martyrs to be helped by their merits to obtain a more speedy reconciliation from the bishops. Indeed, the prayers and good works of holy people were regarded as of such great value that it could be asserted that the penitent was washed, cleansed and redeemed with the help of the entire Christian people” (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Apostolic Constution on the Revision of Indulgences, chap. 3, 6, pp. 78,79).
     
    Salvation through Baptism
     
    “By the sacrament of Baptism, whenever it is properly conferred in the way the Lord determined and received with the proper dispositions of soul, man becomes truly incorporated into the crucified and glorified Christ and is reborn to a sharing of the divine life” (Decree on Ecumenism, chap. 3, II, 22, p. 427).
     
    Salvation Is through Indulgences and Ritual
     
    “By means of indulgences those members of the Church who are enduring their purification are united more speedily to the members who are in heaven ... holy Mother Church again recommends the practice of indulgences to the faithful. ... The remission of punishment by distribution from the Church’s treasury is incorporated into it. The Church recommends its faithful not to abandon or neglect the holy traditions of those who have gone before. They should be welcomed in a religious spirit as a precious treasure of the Catholic family and esteemed as such. ... The Church reminds them constantly of the things which should be given preference because they are necessary or at least better and more efficacious helps in the task of winning salvation” (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Apostolic Constitution on the Revision of Indulgences, chap. 4, 10,11, p. 82).
     
    Salvation Can Be Achieved through Non-Christian Religions

     

    “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems. These profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day... Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 2, 16, p. 338).

     
    Salvation Grace Is Not Free but Must Be Earned
     
    “All children of the Church should nevertheless remember that their exalted condition results, not from their own merits, but from the grace of Christ. If they fail to respond in thought, word and deed to that grace, not only shall they not be saved, but they shall be the more severely judged” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 2, 14, p. 337).
     
    The Catholic Church the Only True Church
     
    “This is the sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter’s pastoral care. ... This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 1, 8, p. 329).
     
    “For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fulness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God” (Decree on Ecumenism, chap. 1, 3, p. 415).
     
    The Pope Is the Supreme Head of the Church
     
    “The college or body of bishops has for all that no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter’s successor, as its head, whose primatial authority, let it be added, over all, whether pastors or faithful, remains in its integrity. For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, namely, and as pastor of the entire Church, has full, supreme and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 3, 22, p. 344).
     
    The Pope Is the Infallible Teacher
     
    “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful—who confirms his brethren in the faith (cf. Lk. 22:32)—he proclaims in an absolute decision a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. For that very reason his definitions are rightly said to be irreformable by their very nature and not by reason of the assent of the Church... as a consequence they are in no way in need of the approval of others, and do not admit of appeal to any other tribunal. For in such a case the Roman Pontiff does not utter a pronouncement as a private person, but rather does he expound and defend the teaching of the Catholic faith as the supreme teacher of the universal Church, in whom the Church’s charism of infallibility is present in a singular way” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 3, 25, p. 349).
     
    “This loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given, in a special way, to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra in such wise, indeed, that his supreme teaching authority be acknowledged with respect, and sincere assent be given to decisions made by him, conformably with his manifest mind and intention” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 3, 25, p. 348).
     
    Mary the Sinless Mother of God, Perpetual Virgin, Bodily Assumed into Heaven as Queen over All
     
    “Joined to Christ the head and in communion with all his saints, the faithful must in the first place reverence the memory of the glorious ever Virgin Mary, Mother of God and of our Lord Jesus Christ... Because of the gift of sublime grace she far surpasses all creatures, both in heaven and on earth... The Immaculate Virgin preserved free from all stain of original sin, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, when her earthly life was over, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords (cf. Apoc. 19:16) and conqueror of sin and death” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, I, 52,53; II, 59, pp. 378,381- 382).
     
    Mary Is Co-redemptress with Christ

     

    “Rightly, therefore, the Fathers see Mary not merely as passively engaged by God, but as freely cooperating in the work of man’s salvation through faith and obedience. For as St. Irenaeus says, she being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert with him in their preaching ... ‘death through Eve, life through Mary.’ This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 56, pp. 380-381).
     
    Mary Intercedes for Men from Heaven and Aids in Their Salvation
     
    “Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 62, pp. 382-383).
     
    Mary to Be Venerated
     
    “Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place second only to her Son, as the most holy mother of God who was involved in the mysteries of Christ: she is rightly honoured by a special cult in the Church. ... The sacred synod teaches this Catholic doctrine advisedly and at the same time admonishes all the sons of the Church that the cult, especially the liturgical cult, of the Blessed Virgin, be generously fostered, and that the practices and exercises of devotion towards her, recommended by the teaching authority of the Church in the course of centuries be highly esteemed, and that those decrees, which were given in the early days regarding the cult images of Christ, the Blessed Virgin and the saints, be religiously observed” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, IV, The Cult of the Blessed Virgin in the Church, 66,67, pp. 384-385).
     
    Intercessions of and Prayers to Dead Saints
     
    “The ‘treasury of the Church’ ... is the infinite value, which can never be exhausted, which Christ’s merits have before God. ... This treasury includes as well the prayers and good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary. They are truly immesne, unfathomable and even pristine in their value before God. In the treasury, too, are the prayers and good works of all the saints, all those who have followed in the footsteps of Christ the Lord and by his grace have made their lives holy and carried out the mission the Father entrusted to them. In this way they attained their own salvation and at the same time cooperated in saving their brothers in the unity of the Mystical Body. ... The union of the living with their brethren who have fallen asleep in Christ is not broken. ... Now that they are welcomed in their own country and at home with the Lord, through him, with him and in him they intercede unremittingly with the Father on our behalf, offering the merit they acquired on earth through Christ Jesus. ... Their brotherly care is the greatest help to our weakness” (The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Apostolic Constitution on the Revision of Indulgences, chap. 2, 5, pp. 76,77).
     
    “In full consciousness of this communion of the whole Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, the Church in its pilgrim members, from the very earliest days of the Christian religion, has honoured with great respect the memory of the dead ... she has always venerated them, together with the Blessed Virgin Mary and the holy angels, with a special love, and has asked piously for the help of their intercession. ... When, then, we celebrate the eucharistic sacrifice [the Mass] we are most closely united to the worship of the heavenly Church; when in the fellowship of communion we honour and remember the glorious Mary ever virgin, St. Joseph, the holy apostles and martyrs and all the saints” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, I, 52,53; II, 59, pp. 375,377).
     
    “Holy Mother Church is extremely concerned for the faithful departed. She has decided to intercede for them to the fullest extent in every Mass and abrogates every special privilege in this matter” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, V, Norms, 20, p. 87).
     
    Purgatory Necessary to Purge Sin
     
    “The doctrine of purgatory clearly demonstrates that even when the guilt of sin has been taken away, punishment for it or the consequences of it may remain to be expiated or cleansed. They often are. In fact, in purgatory the souls of those who died in the charity of God and truly repentant, but who had not made satisfaction with adequate penance for their sins and omissions are cleansed after death with punishments designed to purge away their debt” (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Apostolic Constitution on the Revision of Indulgences, chap. 1, 3, p. 75).
     
    Priests Have Special Powers to Bestow Spiritual Blessing
     
    “However, the Lord also appointed certain men as ministers, in order that they might be united in one body in which ‘all the members have not the same function’ (Rom. 12:4). These men were to hold in the community of the faithful the sacred power of Order, that of offering sacrifice and forgiving sins, and were to exercise the priestly office publicly on behalf of men in the name of Christ” (Decree on the Ministry and Life of Priests, chap. 1, 2, p. 776).
     
    “Priests, while being taken from amongst men and appointed for men in the things that appertain to God that they may offer gifts and sacrifices for sins, live with the rest of men as with brothers” (Decree on the Ministry and Life of Priests, chap. 1, 3, p. 778).
     
    “The purpose then for which priests are consecrated by God through the ministry of the bishop is that they should be made sharers in a special way in Christ’s priesthood and, by carrying out sacred functions, act as his ministers who through his Spirit continually exercises his priestly function for our benefit in the liturgy. By Baptism priests introduce men into the People of God; by the sacrament of Penance they reconcile sinners with God and the Church; by the Anointing of the sick they relieve those who are ill; and especially by the celebration of Mass they offer Christ’s sacrifice sacramentally” (Decree on the Ministry and Life of Priests, chap. 2, I, 5, p. 781).
     
    Catholic Priests Share Christ’s Identical Priesthood
     
    “All priests share with the bishops the one identical priesthood and ministry of Christ” (Decree on the Ministry and Life of Priests, chap. 2, II, 7, p. 786).
     
    Church Has Power to Grant Indulgences; Those Who Say Church Has no Such Power Are Cursed
     
    “Indulgences are ... the taking away of the temporal punishment due to sins when their guilt has already been forgiven. ... in granting an indulgence the Church uses its power as minister of Christ’s Redemption. ... It teaches and commands that the usage of indulgences—a usage most beneficial to Christians and approved by the authority of the Sacred Councils—should be kept in the Church; and it condemns with anathema those who say that indulgences are useless or that the Church does not have the power to grant them. ... By means of indulgences those members of the Church who are enduring their purification are united more speedily to the members who are in heaven in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, IV, 8, 10, pp. 80-82).
     
    Rituals and Superstitious Practices Encouraged
     
    “The faithful who use with devotion an object of piety (crucifix, cross, Rosary, scapular or medal) after it has been duly blessed by any priest, can gain a partial indulgence. But if this object of piety is blessed by the Pope or any bishop, the faithful who use it with devotion can also gain a plenary indulgence on the feast of the apostles Peter and Paul. ... When one of the faithful is in danger of death and no priest in available to administer the sacraments to him with the apostolic blessing ... holy Mother Church still grants a plenary indulgence to be gained at the moment of death, on condition that they are properly disposed and have been in the habit of reciting some prayers during their lifetime. The practice of using a crucifix or cross while gaining this plenary indulgence is praiseworthy” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, V, Norms, 17,18, p. 86).
     
    Confession and Penance Aid in Conversion
     
    “The sacrament of Penance restores and strengthens in members of the Church who have sinned the fundamental gift of ... conversion to the kingdom of Christ, which is first received in Baptism. ... Those who approach this sacrament receive from God’s mercy the pardon of their offences and at the same time they are reconciled to the Church which they have wounded by their sins. The Religious should likewise hold in high esteem the frequent  use of this sacrament ... desiring closer union with God, should endeavour to receive the sacrament of penance frequently, that is, twice a month ... To ensure legitimate liberty, all women religious and novices may make their confession validly and licitly to any priest approved for hearing confessions in the locality” (Decree on Confession for Religious, pp. 611,612).
     
    Celibacy Imposed

     

    “For these reasons, based on the mystery of Christ and his mission, celibacy, which at first was recommended to priests, was afterwards in the Latin Church imposed by law on all who were to be promoted to holy Orders. This sacred Council approves and confirms this legislation so far as it concerns those destined for the priesthood, and feels confident in the Spirit that the gift of celibacy, so appropriate to the priesthood of the New Testament, is liberally granted by the Father” (Decree on the Ministry and Life of Priests, chap. 3, II, 16, p. 802).
     

    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH STILL HOLDS TO THE COUNCIL OF TRENT

     
    The Council of Trent was a Catholic council held from 1545 to 1563 in an attempt to destroy the progress of the Protestant Reformation. This council denied every Reformation doctrine, including Scripture alone and grace alone. Trent hurled 125 anathemas (eternal damnation) against Bible-believing Christians, including these:
     

    FOURTH SESSION: DECREE CONCERNING THE CANONICAL SCRIPTURES: “If anyone does not accept as sacred and canonical the aforesaid books in their entirety and with all their parts [the 66 books of the Bible plus 12 apocryphal books, being two of Paralipomenon, two of Esdras, Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Sophonias, two of Macabees], as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate Edition, and knowingly and deliberately rejects the aforesaid traditions, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA.”
     
    SIXTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION: “If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 12).
     
    SIXTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION: “If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 24).
     
    SIXTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION: “If anyone says that the Catholic doctrine of justification as set forth by the holy council in the present decree, derogates  in some respect from the glory of God or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ, and does not rather illustrate the truth of our faith and no less the glory of God and of Christ Jesus, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 33).
     
    SEVENTH SESSION, CANONS ON BAPTISM: “If anyone says that in the Roman Church, which is the mother and mistress of all churches, there is not the true doctrine concerning the sacrament of baptism, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on Baptism, Canon 3).
     
    SEVENTH SESSION, CANONS ON BAPTISM: “If anyone says that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on Baptism, Canon 5).
     
    SEVENTH SESSION, CANONS ON BAPTISM: “If anyone says that children, because they have not the act of believing, are not after having received baptism to be numbered among the faithful, and that for this reason are to be rebaptized when they have reached the years of discretion; or that it is better that the baptism of such be omitted than that, while not believing by their own act, they should be baptized in the faith of the Church alone, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on Baptism, Canon 13).
     
    SEVENTH SESSION, CANONS ON CONFIRMATON: “If anyone says that the confirmation of those baptized is an empty ceremony and not a true and proper sacrament; or that of old it was nothing more than a sort of instruction, whereby those approaching adolescence gave an account of their faith to the Church, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on Confirmation, Canon 1).
     
    THIRTEENTH SESSION, CANONS ON THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST: “If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as in a sign, or figure or force, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, Canon 1).
     
    THIRTEENTH SESSION, CANONS ON THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST: “If anyone says that Christ received in the Eucharist is received spiritually only and not also sacramentally and really, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, Canon 8).
     
    FOURTEENTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF PENANCE: “If anyone says that in the Catholic Church penance is not truly and properly a sacrament instituted by Christ the Lord for reconciling the faithful of God as often as they fall into sin after baptism, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons Concerning the Most Holy Sacrament of Penance, Canon 1).
     
    FOURTEENTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF PENANCE: “If anyone denies that sacramental confession was instituted by divine law or is necessary to salvation; or says that the manner of confessing secretly to a priest alone, which the Catholic Church has always observed from the beginning and still observes, is at variance with the institution and command of Christ and is a human contrivance, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons Concerning the Most Holy Sacrament of Penance, Canon 7).
     
    FOURTEENTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF PENANCE: “If anyone says that the confession of all sins as it is observed in the Church is impossible and is a human tradition to be abolished by pious people; or that each and all of the faithful of Christ or either sex are not bound thereto once a year in accordance with the constitution of the great Lateran Council, and that for this reason the faithful of Christ are to be persuaded not to confess during Lent, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons Concerning the Most Holy Sacrament of Penance, Canon 8).
     
    FOURTEENTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF PENANCE: &lldquo;If anyone says that God always pardons the whole penalty together with the guilt and that the satisfaction of penitents is nothing else than the faith by which they perceive that Christ has satisfied for them, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons Concerning the Most Holy Sacrament of Penance, Canon 8).
     
    TWENTY-SECOND SESSION, CANONS ON THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS: “If anyone says that in the Mass a true and real sacrifice is not offered to God; or that to be offered is nothing else than that Christ is given to us to eat, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Sacrifice of the Mass, Canon 1).
     
    TWENTY-SECOND SESSION, CANONS ON THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS: “If anyone says that by those words, Do this for a commemoration of me, Christ did not institute the Apostles priests; or did not ordain that they and other priests should offer His own body and blood, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Sacrifice of the Mass, Canon 2).
     
    TWENTY-SECOND SESSION, CANONS ON THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS: “If anyone says that the sacrifice of the Mass is one only of praise and thanksgiving; or that it is a mere commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross but not a propitiatory one; or that it profits him only who receives, and ought not to be offered for the living and the dead, for sins, punishments, satisfactions, and other necessities, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Sacrifice of the Mass, Canon 3).
     
    TWENTY-SECOND SESSION, CANONS ON THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS: “If anyone says that it is a deception to celebrate Masses in honor of the saints and in order to obtain their intercession with God, as the Church intends, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Sacrifice of the Mass, Canon 5).
     
    TWENTY-THIRD SESSION, CANONS ON THE SACRAMENT OF ORDER: “If anyone says that there is not in the New Testament a visible and external priesthood, or that there is no power of consecrating and offering the true body and blood of the Lord and of forgiving and retaining sins, but only the office and bare ministry of preaching the gospel; or that those who do not preach are not priests at all, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Sacrifice of the Mass, Canon 1).
     
    TWENTY-THIRD SESSION, CANONS ON THE SACRAMENT OF ORDER: “If anyone says that the bishops who are chosen by the authority of the Roman pontiff are not true and legitimate bishops, but merely human deception, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Sacrifice of the Mass, Canon 8).
     
    TWENTY-FIFTH SESSION, DECREE ON PURGATORY: “Since the Catholic Church, instructed by the Holy Ghost, has, following the sacred writings and the ancient tradition of the Fathers, taught in sacred councils and very recently in this ecumenical council that there is a purgatory, and that the souls there detained are aided by the suffrages of the faithful and chiefly by the acceptable sacrifice of the altar, the holy council commands the bishops that they strive diligently to the end that the sound doctrine of purgatory, transmitted by the Fathers and sacred councils, be believed and maintained by the faithful of Christ, and be everywhere taught and preached.”
     
    TWENTY-FIFTH SESSION, ON THE INVOCATION, VENERATION, AND RELICS OF SAINTS, AND ON SACRED IMAGES: “The holy council commands all bishops and others who hold the office of teaching and have charge of the cura animarum, that in accordance with the usage of the Catholic and Apostolic Church, received from the primitive times of the Christian religion, and with the unanimous teaching of the holy Fathers and the decrees of sacred councils, they above all instruct the faithful diligently in matters relating to intercession and invocation of the saints, the veneration of relics, and the legitimate use of images, teaching them that the saints who reign together with Christ offer up their prayers to God for men, that it is good and beneficial suppliantly to invoke them and to have recourse to their prayers, assistance and support in order to obtain favors from God through His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who alone is our redeemer and savior; and that they think impiously who deny that the saints who enjoy eternal happiness in heaven are to be invoked, or who assert that they do not pray for men, or that our invocation of them to pray for each of us individually is idolatry, or that it is opposed to the word of God and inconsistent with the honor of the one mediator of God and men, Jesus Christ, or that it is foolish to pray vocally or mentally to those who reign in heaven.”

     
    Pope Pius IV (1559-1565) issued a summary of the decisions of the council under the title “Pope Pius’s Creed.” We will quote part of this creed, which has ever since been regarded as an authoritative summary of the Catholic faith:
     

    “I profess also, that there are truly and properly seven sacraments of the new law ... namely, baptism, confirmation, eucharist, penance, extreme unction, orders, and matrimony, and that they confer grace. ...
     
    “I profess likewise, that in the Mass is offered to God a true, proper, and propitiatory sacrifice for the living and the dead; and that, in the most holy sacrifice of the Eucharist, there is truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ...
     
    “I constantly hold that there is a purgatory, and that the souls detained therein are helped by the suffrages of the faithful.
     
    “Likewise, that the saints reigning together with Christ, are to be honoured and invocated; that they offer prayers to God for us; and that their relics are to be venerated.
     
    “I most firmly assert, that the images of Christ, and of the mother of God, ever virgin, and also of the other saints, are to be had and retained; and that one honour and veneration are to be given to them.
     
    “I also affirm that the power of indulgences was left by Christ in the church, and that the use of them is most wholesome to Christian people.
     
    “I acknowledge the holy Catholic and Apostolic Roman church, the mother and mistress of all churches. And I promise to swear true obedience to the Roman bishop, the successor of St. Peter, the prince of the apostles, and vicar of Jesus Christ.
     
    “I also profess, and undoubtedly receive all other things delivered, defined, and declared, by the sacred canons and general councils, and particularly by the holy Council of Trent.
    And likewise, I also condemn, reject, and anathematize, all things contrary thereto, and all heresies whatsoever condemned, rejected, and anathematized by the church.
     
    “This true Catholic faith, out of which none can be saved...”
    (Miller’s Church History, pp. 1081-1082).

     
    These proclamations and anathemas were fleshed out in the murderous persecutions vented upon true Christians by Rome, and Trent has never been annulled. Vatican II referred to Trent dozens and dozens of times, quoted Trent’s proclamations as authoritative, and reaffirmed Trent on every hand. The New Catholic Catechism cites Trent no less than 99 times. That is my own count. There is not the slightest hint that the proclamations of the Council of Trent have been abrogated by Rome. At the opening of the Second Vatican Council, Pope John XXIII stated, “I do accept entirely all that has been decided and declared at the Council of Trent.” Every Cardinal, Bishop and priest who became a member of the Council also signed that document (Wilson Ewin,
    You Can Lead Roman Catholics to Christ, Quebec Baptist Mission, 1990 edition, p. 41).
     
    Consider a few examples of how Vatican II looked upon Trent:

     
    “The dogmatic principles which were laid down by the Council of Trent [remain] intact...” (
    Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, p. 37).
     
    “Therefore, following in the footsteps of the Council of Trent and of Vatican I, this present Council wishes to set forth authentic doctrine of divine revelation” (
    Constitution on Divine Revelation, p. 678).
     
    “[Christ] is substantially present there through that conversion of bread and wine which, as the Council of Trent tells us, is most aptly named transubstantiation” (
    Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, p. 110).
     
    “For under this form (leaving intact the principles of the Council of Trent, by which under either species or kind there is received the true sacrament and Christ whole and entire), the sign of the eucharistic banquet appears more perfectly” (
    Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, p. 124).
     
    “The Roman Missal, promulgated by our predecessor St. Pius V in the Year of our Lord 1570 by decree of the Council of Trent, is universally acknowledged to be among the most useful of the many fruits which that Council brought forth for the good of the Church of Christ” (
    Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, p. 138).
     
    “When issuing decrees that the Order of the Mass should be revised, the Second Vatican Council ruled, among other things, that certain rites were to be restored to the vigour which they had in the days of the holy Fathers. These are the very words used by St. Pius V in his Apostolic Constitution
    Quo primum whereby he promulgated the Tridentine Missal of 1570 [Trent]. The employment of the very same words indicates that the two Missals, though separated in time by four centuries, are nevertheless inspired by and embody one and the same tradition. ... In those troubled days St. Pius V was unwilling to make any changes in the rites except minor ones; he was intent on preserving more recent tradition, because at that time attacks were being made on the doctrine that the Mass is a sacrifice present under the eucharistic species” (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, p. 155).
     
    “In this way the liturgical norms of the Council of Trent have in many respects been fulfilled and perfected by those of the Second Vatican Council” (
    Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, p. 159).
     
    This sacred council accepts loyally the venerable faith of our ancestors in the living communion which exists between us and our brothers who are in the glory of heaven or who are yet being purified after their death; and it proposes again the decrees of the Second Council of Nicea, of the Council of Florence, and of the Council of Trent” (Constitution on the Church, p. 377).
     
    “The sacrament of baptism cannot be repeated ... and therefore to baptize again conditionally is not allowed unless there is prudent doubt of the fact, or of the validity, of a baptism already administered (Council of Trent, Session 7, Can. 4)” (
    Decree on Ecumenism, p. 445).
     
    “The Fathers of the Council,
    continuing the work begun by the Council of Trent, confidently entrust to superiors and professors in seminaries the duty of training Christ’s future priests in the spirit of that renewal promoted by the Council itself” (Decree on the Training of Priests, p. 654).

     

    THE NEW CATHOLIC CATECHISM

     
    As further evidence that the Roman Catholic Church has not changed doctrinally, we offer citations from the New Catholic Catechism, published in 1992 in Latin and in 1994 in English.
     
    The following excerpts demonstrate without question that the Roman Catholic Church is apostate. Bible-believing people are commanded by God to separate from those who preach a false gospel. Some counter that not all Roman Catholics believe the following false doctrines. That might be so, but the following is the most recent and most official declaration of genuine Catholic belief in print.
     
    The blasphemous dogmas of this official Catholic catechism reveal the blindness of “evangelicals” who are calling for closer relationships with Roman Catholicism.
     
    It is interesting to note in passing that all Scripture references in this New Catechism are cited from the Revised Standard Version or from the New Revised Standard Version. The fact that the chief Apostate “church” has put such an unhesitating stamp of approval upon the critical text and the modern versions thereof is further evidence that those versions are corrupted.
     
    We turn now to the Catechism itself:
     

    Introduction by John Paul II—
     
    The Catechism of the Catholic Church is the result of very extensive collaboration; it was prepared over six years of intense work ... The project was the object of extensive consultation among all Catholic Bishops, their Episcopal Conferences or Synods, and of theological and catechetical institutes. As a whole, it received a broadly favourable acceptance on the part of the Episcopate.
    It can be said that this Catechism is the result of the collaboration of the whole Episcopate of the Catholic Church ... the harmony of so many voices truly expresses what could be called the ‘symphony’ of the faith.
     
    The Catechism of the Catholic Church, lastly,
    is offered to every individual ... who wants to know what the Catholic Church believes.

     
    These statements expose the error that there is no one true Catholic dogma and that Roman Catholicism has no symphony of faith. It also proves that it IS possible for one to know and understand what Catholicism believes without being a trained Catholic theologian. Following are the heresies of the Roman Catholic Church that are reaffirmed in the new catechism:
     
    Tradition Equal with Scripture
     
    80 Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together and communicate one with the other.
     
    82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, “does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honoured with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.
     
    Bible Interpretation the Sole Right of Pope and Bishops
     
    100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.
     
    Mary, Sinless, Perpetual Virgin, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, Co-Redemptress with Christ

     

    491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, “full of grace” through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854...
     
    494 ... As St. Irenaeus says, “Being obedient she became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race.” ...
     
    495 ... the Church confesses that Mary is truly “Mother of God” (Theotokos).
     
    508 From among the descendants of Eve, God chose the Virgin Mary to be the mother of his Son. “Full of grace,” Mary is “the most excellent fruit of redemption” (SC 103): from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life.
     
    964 Mary’s role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. “This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death”; it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion. ... enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother’s heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her ...
     
    966 “Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son ...” The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection “the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death” (Byzantine Liturgy, Troparion, Feast of the Dormition, August 15th.).
     
    968 “In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope and burning charity in the Saviour’s work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace.”
     
    969 “... Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us gifts of eternal salvation. ... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”
     
    Rosary and Prayers to Mary

     

    971 “The Church’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship.” The Church rightly honours “the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. ...” The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the Rosary, an “epitome of the whole gospel,” express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.
     
    Fullness of Salvation Only through the Catholic Church
     
    The Second Vatican Council’s Decree on Ecumenism explains: “For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God.”
     
    846 Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation ... thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
     
    All Grace Comes through the Catholic Church
     
    819 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
     
    834 Particular Churches are fully catholic through their communion with one of them, the Church of Rome “which presides in charity.” “For with this church, by reason of its pre-eminence, the whole Church, that is the faithful everywhere, must necessarily be in accord” (St. Irenaeus, Adv. Haeres, 3,3,2:PG 7/1,849; cf. Vatican Council I: DS 3057).
     
    No Christian Unity Apart from the Catholic Church

     

    820 Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose ... The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.
     
    Salvation Includes the Muslims

     

    841 The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.
     
    Supremacy of the Pope

     

    882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.” “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”
     
    891 The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful—who confirms his brethren in the faith—he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. ... The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” above all in an Ecumenical Council. ... This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.
     
    Prayers of the Dead
     
    956 “Being more closely united to Christ, those who dwell in heaven fix the whole Church more firmly in holiness. … They do not cease to intercede with the Father for us, as they proffer the merits which they acquired on earth through the one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus. ... So by their fraternal concern is our weakness greatly helped.”
     
    Prayers for the Dead
     
    958 “In full consciousness of this communion of the whole Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, the Church in its pilgrim members, from the very earliest days of the Christian religion, has honoured with great respect the memory of the dead; and ‘because it is a holy and a wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins’ she offers her suffrages for them.” Our prayer for them is capable not only of helping them, but also of making their intercession for us effective.
     
    Salvation through Baptism

     

    1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin.
     
    1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. ... The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are “reborn of water and the Spirit.” God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism...
     
    1265 Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte “a new creature,” an adopted son of God, who has become a “partaker of the divine nature,” member of Christ and co-heir with him, and a temple of the Holy Spirit.
     
    1267 ... From the baptismal fonts is born the one People of God of the New Covenant...
     
    Penance Necessary for Salvation
     
    980 It is through the sacrament of Penance that the baptized can be reconciled with God and with the Church: “Penance has rightly been called by the holy Fathers ‘a laborious kind of baptism.’ This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn” (Council of Trent (1551): DS 1672; cf. St. Gregory of Nazianzus, Oratio 39, 17: PG 36,356).
     
    The Church Can Forgive Sins
     
    982 There is no offense, however serious, that the Church cannot forgive. ... Christ who died for all men desires that in his Church the gates of forgiveness should always be open to anyone who turns away from sin.
     
    Purgatory
     
    1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
     
    1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Council of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire. “As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire.”
     
    Indulgences and Good Works for the Dead
     
    1032 From the beginning the Church has honoured the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God. The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead.
     
    Sacraments and Liturgy  Communicate Grace
     
    1084 By the action of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit they [the sacraments] make present efficaciously the grace that they signify.
     
    1131 The sacraments are efficacious signs of grace, instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church, by which divine life is dispensed to us.
     
    Sacraments Necessary for Salvation
     
    1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. ... The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Saviour.
     
    Infants Born Again through Baptism
     
    1250 Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin, children also have need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children of God ... The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth.
     
    The Mass a Re-sacrifice of Christ

     

    1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.
     
    1365 Because it is the memorial of Christ’s Passover, the Eucharist is also a sacrifice. ... In the Eucharist Christ gives us the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he “poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”
     
    1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: ... “In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner.”
     
    The Mass Is a Conversion of Bread and Wine into the Very Christ
     
    1376 The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring “... by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation.”
     
    1413 By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651).
     
    1374 ... In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist “the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.”
     
    Priest Has the Power to Convert Bread and Wine into Christ

     

    1375 It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ’s body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. Their power and grace are God’s. This is my body, he says. This word transforms the things offered. ... The power of the blessing prevails over that of nature, because by the blessing nature itself is changed.
     
    Mass Conducted in Communion with the Dead
     
    1370 ... In communion with and commemorating the Blessed Virgin Mary and all the saints, the Church offers the Eucharistic sacrifice.
     
    Elements of the Mass to Be Worshipped and Carried in Processions

     

    1418 Because Christ himself is present in the sacrament of the altar he is to be honoured with the worship of adoration.
     
    1378 Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. ... reserving the consecrated hosts with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession.
     
    All Sins Must Be Confessed to a Priest
     
    1493 One who desires to obtain reconciliation with God and with the Church, must confess to a priest all the unconfessed grave sins he remembers after having carefully examined his conscience. The confession of venial faults, without being necessary in itself, is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church.
     
    1456 All mortal sins of which penitents after a diligent self-examination are conscious must be recounted by them in confession, even if they are most secret and have been committed against the last two precepts of the Decalogue. ... those who fail to do so and knowingly withhold some, place nothing before the divine goodness for remission through the mediation of the priest, ‘for if the sick person is too ashamed to show his wound to the doctor, the medicine cannot heal what it does not know.’
     
    1497 Individual and integral confession of grave sins followed by absolution remains the only ordinary means of reconciliation with God and with the Church.
     
    Forgiveness of Sins and Escape from Purgatory through Indulgences
     
    1471 An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints. ... Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead.
     
    1478 An indulgence is obtained through the Church who the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the punishments due for their sins. ...
     
    1479 Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted.
     
    Salvation through the Good Works of the “Saints”

     

    1475 In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others ... Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.
     
    1476 We also call these spiritual goods of the communion of saints the Church’s treasury....
     
    1477 This treasury includes as well the prayers and good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary. They are truly immense, unfathomable and even pristine in their value before God. In the treasury, too, are the prayers and good works of all the saints. ... In this way they attained their own salvation and at the same time cooperated in saving their brothers in the unity of the Mystical Body.
     
    Veneration of Relics
     
    1674 Besides sacramental liturgy and sacramentals, catechesis must take into account the forms of piety and popular devotions among the faithful ... such as the veneration of relics, visits to sanctuaries, pilgrimages, processions, the stations of the cross, religious dances, the Rosary, medals, etc.
     
    Veneration of Images

     

    2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons—of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new “economy” of images.
     

    CONCLUSION

     
    You have read for yourself the solemn proclamations of Rome’s official Vatican II Council and of the authoritative New Catholic Catechism. These are proclamations made by the popes and the college of bishops, and according to Catholic teaching, there is no higher authority than “the Church’s dogma and interpretation of Scripture.”
     
    We realize there are Catholics that do not believe these teachings, but they should be honest enough to stop calling themselves Catholics if they refuse to accept official Catholic doctrine.
     
    Some Catholic apologists are claiming that Roman Catholicism is based on the Bible, but they are described in 2 Timothy 3:13 -- “deceiving and being deceived.”
     
    Though some dramatic changes were made during and since the Vatican II Council, the Roman Catholic Church remains the same unscriptural institution it always has been. It is not possible to believe the previously quoted Vatican II pronouncements and think otherwise. Yet, the lie that Catholicism is becoming more evangelical, more biblical, and more spiritual continues to be propagated with blind perseverance. Countless times I have been challenged with this very lie. It is this lie that is being used to encourage the ecumenical fellowship between Catholics and Protestants. The same lie is a clever tool for persuading Catholics to stay in the Roman Church when they are converted or when they begin doubting Catholic doctrines.
     
    My friends, Rome hasn’t changed, but Evangelicalism certainly has! Beware of those who do not understand that a sacramental gospel is cursed of God. Beware of those who think exalting Mary as the Queen of Heaven is not a damnable doctrine. Beware of those who claim that Rome teaches salvation by grace alone through faith alone. Those who claim this are either deceivers, or they are so grossly ignorant they are dangerous!
     
    God commands His people to separate from gross heresies such as Rome’s.
     
    “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them” (Romans 16:17).
     
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  • The Church Ordinances: Baptism and Communion

    03/05/2015 7:28:14 PM PST · 1 of 26
    RaceBannon
  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 7:17:40 PM PST · 146 of 179
    RaceBannon to terycarl

    well,, water baptism is not what saves a person, and the Bible is clear on this for those who care to actually read it

    I just never thought something so clear would get so many responses

  • HARRISON FORD - Plane crashes...actor seriously injured

    03/05/2015 4:24:32 PM PST · 112 of 224
    RaceBannon to doug from upland

    is that a supermarine?

  • It Appears There Are Hijacked Freeper Accounts

    03/05/2015 4:23:18 PM PST · 302 of 303
    RaceBannon to FreedomPoster

    how come I always get to these threads late???

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 2:28:54 AM PST · 1 of 179
    RaceBannon
  • John MacArthur's Position on the Lordship of Christ

    03/05/2015 2:19:58 AM PST · 7 of 8
    RaceBannon to LearsFool

    I have no idea what you are talking about

    Where are you dreaming up your opinions from?

    What are you quoting and from who?

  • Mormon church backs Utah LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    03/04/2015 7:05:38 PM PST · 15 of 39
    RaceBannon to EveningStar; Little Bill; Dutchy; ELS; firebrand

    watch

    2 gays can marry a straight

    watch

    two straight women can marry a straight man

    watch

    I had a Mormon woman tell me she thought this was why our country was in such bad shape, she told me this 4 months ago
    and she was serious

    THAT is why Mitt was for it

  • Mormon church backs Utah LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    03/04/2015 6:10:24 PM PST · 11 of 39
    RaceBannon to EveningStar

    by redefining marriage, they can bring back polygamy

    Mitt Romeny, Massachusetts, domestic partnership bill

    He was warned

  • The Relationship Between Good Works and Salvation

    03/04/2015 3:59:00 PM PST · 12 of 12
    RaceBannon to LearsFool

    I dont know what Bible you read, but it is clear, It is not a Christian one, most certainly not a King James

    Now, stop acting like a troll

    if you dont like what I post, stay away

  • The Relationship Between Good Works and Salvation

    03/04/2015 3:10:47 AM PST · 10 of 12
    RaceBannon to LearsFool

    Do you read your Bible?

    Do you have any papers or essays that disagree with what they wrote?

    Because I attended that assembly for over 10 years

    While I dont go there anymore, it is not because of their doctrine

    You wont find a better site online for teaching basic Bible doctrines in written form

  • The Relationship Between Good Works and Salvation

    03/03/2015 6:26:20 PM PST · 8 of 12
    RaceBannon to LearsFool

    its a shame you dont know your Bible well enough to discern

  • Ex-Iranian hostages agree with Bibi: Tehran can't be truste

    03/03/2015 6:20:30 PM PST · 7 of 8
    RaceBannon to Nachum
  • The Relationship Between Good Works and Salvation

    03/03/2015 2:33:32 PM PST · 6 of 12
    RaceBannon to LearsFool

    once again, your post makes no sense

    I suggest you take a reading comprehension course

    because, otherwise, it looks like you are only here to start trouble

  • John MacArthur's Position on the Lordship of Christ

    03/03/2015 3:07:55 AM PST · 1 of 8
    RaceBannon
  • The Relationship Between Good Works and Salvation

    03/03/2015 2:55:39 AM PST · 1 of 12
    RaceBannon
  • AM I A TRUE BELIEVER?

    03/03/2015 2:48:37 AM PST · 1 of 1
    RaceBannon
  • Israel, Nukes and the Limbaugh Doctrine!

    03/03/2015 2:30:54 AM PST · 6 of 8
    RaceBannon to Tula Git; The Ignorant Fisherman

    I was wondering what he meant then, too

    do you mean that the purpose of the military is to Kill People and Break Things?

  • Jonathan Edwards’ works made available for free as interest in Puritanism surges

    03/02/2015 5:00:31 PM PST · 13 of 15
    RaceBannon to Alex Murphy

    One of the reasons is the rise in Calvinism

    It is not a good sign

    Puritanism was seriously flawed init’s insistance on the law

    Puritans also believed that the state could take away your kids if you werent raising them right

    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/audio/conference/201204/20120404.mp3

    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/audio/conference/201009/20100914.mp3

    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/audio/conference/200904/20090404.mp3

  • March 20 Solar Eclipse and the Four Blood Moons

    03/02/2015 4:05:12 PM PST · 78 of 102
    RaceBannon to RansomOttawa

    you post didnt make sense

    I posted the proper scripture

    I dont know why you are ignoring it

  • March 20 Solar Eclipse and the Four Blood Moons

    03/02/2015 9:55:59 AM PST · 72 of 102
    RaceBannon to RansomOttawa

    apparently, you arent reading this to understand it, but to defend a human doctrine

    I am writing a Biblical one, one defended by Scripture

    Yours is only defended by opinion

    that is the room next door.

  • March 20 Solar Eclipse and the Four Blood Moons

    03/02/2015 3:00:22 AM PST · 55 of 102
    RaceBannon to amorphous

    I wrote it :)

  • March 20 Solar Eclipse and the Four Blood Moons

    03/02/2015 2:59:52 AM PST · 54 of 102
    RaceBannon to RansomOttawa

    If Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday because the Passover Sabbath was on Thursday, why did the disciples wait until Sunday to visit his tomb?

    Each successive day was a Sabbath day, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Also, at Christ’s death, all the apostles scattered, remember?
    It was only in the dark, before sunrise, after the 3rd full day, that they went to the tomb.

    The women went there to anoint his body with burial spices. What was stopping them from going on Friday to perform this rather urgent task?

    Friday was a Sabbath day, there would have been no menial labor done, no work, if someone was buying and selling on the Sabbath, they would have been breaking Sabbath law.

    Thursday was Passover starting at 6pm
    Friday was unleavened Bread, starting at 6pm
    Saturday was the regular Sabbath, starting at 6pm

  • March 20 Solar Eclipse and the Four Blood Moons

    03/01/2015 5:20:40 PM PST · 32 of 102
    RaceBannon to amorphous

    WHAT DAY WAS JESUS CRUCIFIED?

    According to the Bible, the events of the lives of the Jews that were recorded in the Old Testament were recorded so that we as Christians would understand certain examples of how to live the Christian Life and the meaning of God’s plan for believers. While the ultimate meaning of these events was a mystery to the Jews, we as Christians believe we have the fulfilled and finished Word of God revealed to us through Scripture.

        In 1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.  

      It is necessary to examine the events of the distant past to come to the truth on what I believe is a serious subject related to Easter, Passover, and on just what day did Jesus die on the cross.

      What I want to examine in this paper, is the relationship of the Passover to Christ’s death, and to settle the question once and for all: What day of the week was Jesus Christ crucified? Some don’t think this is important. I believe ANY doctrine that involves the Lord Jesus Christ IS important, and we should strive to be accurate. To do this, we must look at what God said of His feasts known to us as Passover and the Feast of First Fruits.

    The Passover was the Feast instituted by God to teach the Jews of the coming judgment against Egypt that would end in the release from slavery for the Jewish people. God told Moses that He would come down about midnight to kill the entire first born of Egypt:

                  Exodus 11: 4 And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:

    5  And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.

    6  And there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there was none like it, nor shall be like it any more.

    7  But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.

    God told the Israelites He would kill the entire first born of all Israelites and Egyptians. God, however, told Israel that there was a way that they could escape punishment from this death, To do so, God instituted the Feast of the Passover; meaning a Feast of celebration and remembrance of the Day that God Passed Over them, leaving them alive, but killing all the first born of Egypt and of those who did NOT follow God’s instructions.

                In the Book of Exodus, we read of the Passover, the first Holiday commanded by God as given to the Jewish people.

    12:1  And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,

    2    This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

                Note here, that God declared this Holiday so profound, that the month that it was in, was to mark the beginning of a new year for the Jewish people. The month to celebrate the Passover was to now be the first month. The Jewish people in the start of their year were being told to remember God in a wonderful way.

    3    Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

    4    And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

    5    Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

                This is a significant point. The LAMB of the Passover must have been selected previously in order that the Jewish people knew they had a perfect lamb for this feast day, but it was this day, the 10th, that it was to be declared to be THE LAMB, the one they would sacrifice and eat.

    6    And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

                For 4 days, this LAMB was known to be THE LAMB until it was killed and eaten for the Passover. The Jewish day began at Sundown, so it was the 3rd day after the Day of Presentation that this LAMB was to be killed, to be eaten at the beginning of the Passover Day, which began at 6PM. This means that in order to have the LAMB killed and prepared for the meal at 6PM, the LAMB had to be killed beforehand. Jewish tradition is that the LAMB was killed around 3PM on the 13th of the month, dressed, and prepared for the Passover meal immediately after 6PM, the beginning of the Passover on the 14th.

    7    And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

    8    And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

    9    Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

    10    And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

                Note here that the entire animal was to be eaten. Nothing was to remain. It had to be a total acceptance of the LAMB as a meal. The Jewish people were not to eat just the legs, or just the ribs, but the entire animal. This was the lesson taught to the Jewish people. God said to eat it all, and let none remain, and if your family was too small to at it all, have friends over to help you finish it.

    11    And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S Passover.

    12    For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

    13    And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

    14    And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

    Note here that after the Passover, there was to be deliverance. The people were to be ready, to move, to act on what God said, fully clothed, and with your shoes on. God was coming to enact judgment! What is also interesting, is that those who were obedient to God, would not have this judgment upon them, they would be PASSED OVER. God’s judgment would not affect them if they put the blood over their doorway in the manner God said. It was to be over the top and along the sides.

                This first High Holy Day was again mentioned in Leviticus chapter 23.

      Leviticus 23

    23:1  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

    2    Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

    3    Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

    4    These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

    It is important to note, here, that Sabbath Days were Holy Days, there was to be NO WORK done on those days. These days were to be HOLY UNTO THE LORD, DAYS OF REST, Days spent in prayer and worship.

    5    In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover.

                Note here the Passover begins at Evening.

    6    And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

    7    In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

    8    But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

                Note here something significant: The first Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the 15th, is a HOLY DAY, it is a Sabbath. The rules apply to this day as to other days concerning the Sabbath regarding work, travel, and all behavior.

                  All this is leading up to something that has affected the Church for two centuries. All my childhood, I was taught that Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross was on a Friday, but is this what the Bible teaches? I believe that Jesus Christ was Crucified on Wednesday, the 13th, on the Day of preparation, the same day and about the same time as the lambs that were about to be eaten for the Passover meal.

                In order to examine this, we need to go over again, from the Bible, the events that lead up to Christ’s Atoning death on the cross.

                Some days of this time period are mentioned quite specifically:

                Matthew 28:1  In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

                Mark 16:1  And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

    2  And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

                Luke 24:1  Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

    2  And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

    3  And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

                John 20:1  The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

                What is obvious here is that on the first day of the week, Sunday, when the Disciples went to the Tomb of Jesus, He was already risen! The Tomb was Empty!. We Christians know this as Easter Sunday. We Christians believe this is our Holiest Day for it is the day that Christ arose to prove the power of Christ over death. This power over death is what we look forward to as believers, to be with Christ in eternity, arisen with Him in new resurrected bodies.

                In order to examine what day Jesus died, though, we obviously need to dig deeper. John the Baptist announced the Lord Jesus Christ to the world when Christ’s official ministry began at His baptism.

                John 1: 29  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

                Note that Jesus is called the LAMB OF GOD. We have seen earlier, that it was a LAMB that was to be chosen to be sacrificed for the feast known as PASSOVER. John called Jesus THE LAMB OF GOD. If the Passover LAMB was to be a type of Christ, then there should be a connection between the death of the Lamb in the Passover feast and Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross.

                I believe the purpose of Christ’s death was foreshadowed in the death of the Passover Lamb:

                Exodus 12:23  For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.

    24  And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.

    25  And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.

    26  And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?

    27  That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

                Christians understand the meaning of this as the Egyptians are the representing of Sin in the Believers life before they are Born Again. When a person is Born Again, they pass under the Blood, they are saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross for our sins, that we are no longer servants of sin, but alive unto God. By being UNDER THE BLOOD of Jesus, we are no longer going to suffer the penalty of eternal separation from God at the time of our death, symbolically, the Angel of Death will PASS OVER us.

      (Rom 6:17 KJV)  But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

    (1 Pet 1:18 KJV)  18  Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

    19  But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

                  Being a slave in Egypt is likened to being a slave to sin. When a person is Born Again, they are released from this bondage, being now a child of God. They are to approach this life with their clothes fully on, and their shoes on, just like the Jews were told to eat the Passover meal, fully clothed, and with their shoes on their feet, ready to move, ready to live for God. While the Believer will still suffer temptation and still sin, Jesus Christ paid the penalty for their sin, and the bondage of eternal punishment is over.

          In addition to this, Jesus once said:

          (John 6:54 KJV)  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

    (6:55 )  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

    (6:56 )  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

    (6:57 )  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

    (6:58 )  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

            For the connection to the Passover Lamb to be made through John the Baptist, we should see other references, and this passage from Jesus, telling believers they must “Eat His flesh and drink His blood”, can only refer to the Passover Lamb and the requirement that the Israelites eat the whole animal; yet to be a spiritual reference to eating: to consume who Jesus is, to consume the writings of Jesus, the teachings of Jesus, the life of Jesus; to be played out in the life of the Believer in obedience to God through Christ.

                  Knowing all this, what can we expect to find concerning Christ’s relation to the Passover? The Passover Lamb was presented to the people on the 10th day of the month. The Bible tells us this concerning what day Jesus was ‘Presented’ to the people of the land of Israel which we call PALM SUNDAY. From this, we can determine other things from the Bible, and prove what day of the week Jesus was crucified for our sins.

                John 12:1  Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

    2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.

                  We know Jesus was in Bethany on the 8th, 6 days before the Passover on the 14th. The Supper was the evening meal, the largest meal of the day. Remember, the day for the Jews began at Sundown, which means while Jesus arrived on the 8th, Jesus had to have eaten this meal on the 9th, the 5th day before the Passover.

      Since we believe that Jesus was THE LAMB OF GOD,

      (John 1:36 KJV)And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!),

      and, if we start with the assumption that if the Crucifixion was on the 13th,  the Day of Preparation before the PASSOVER, then the 9th would be the Sabbath previous to the Passover: Where would we expect Jesus to be? The Bible is silent on this, but we must consider: Jesus did no sin, nor did He lead others to sin. Before Jesus entered Jerusalem, He would have spent the Sabbath observing the Sabbath, His travel into Jerusalem would have been the day after the Sabbath, and since the 9th is the Sabbath, Jesus entry into Jerusalem would have to be the 10th of the month. The people’s response would be considered a work in a way, they would have been moving about, exercising and traveling to see the Messiah, something inappropriate for the Sabbath Day. That means Jesus would have entered Jerusalem on the 10th, 4 days before the Passover. We Christians call this day Palm Sunday. And, since Sunday would be the 10th, Passover the 14th would be Thursday, and since as we read from the Old Testament that the Passover Lamb was to be presented 4 days before the Passover, this again proves the connection of Jesus to the Passover.

     

                Matthew 21:1  And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,

    2  Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.

    3  And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.

    4  All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,

    5  Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

    6  And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,

    7  And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.

    8  And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strowed them in the way.

    9  And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

                Mark 11:1  And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, unto Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, he sendeth forth two of his disciples,

    2  And saith unto them, Go your way into the village over against you: and as soon as ye be entered into it, ye shall find a colt tied, whereon never man sat; loose him, and bring him.

    3  And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.

    4  And they went their way, and found the colt tied by the door without in a place where two ways met; and they loose him.

    5  And certain of them that stood there said unto them, What do ye, loosing the colt?

    6  And they said unto them even as Jesus had commanded: and they let them go.

    7  And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.

    8  And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strowed them in the way.

    9  And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:

    10  Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.

    11  And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.

                Note here, we read the first mention that Jesus spent the part of the day in the Temple.

                Luke 19: 28  And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

    29  And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,

    30  Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

    31  And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

    32  And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.

    33  And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?

    34  And they said, The Lord hath need of him.

    35  And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.

    36  And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.

    37  And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

    38  Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

    39  And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

    40  And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

    41  And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

    42  Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

    43  For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

    44  And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

                If the Passover Sacrifice is meant to be a type of Christ, then this mention by Jesus in verse 44, that Jerusalem did not know the time of their visitation, this must be a reference to the Presentation of the Passover Lamb, the sacrifice provided by God to be the sacrifice for sin and atonement. This again points to Palm Sunday as being the 10th of Nisan.

           The next references to Jesus in the Bible, concern Christ teaching in the temple. Christ did return to Bethany after His first entry into Jerusalem, but He returned each day and taught in the Temple.

                Christ’s presentation to the people would have lasted 4 days, from Sunday to Wednesday, to then be killed on the day before the Passover if the Passover truly was a type of Christ. That means that Christ would have been killed on the 13th, the day of preparation, just like the Passover Lamb, in the afternoon of the 13th, so the Jewish people could begin the Passover in the evening of the 14th beginning at sundown. This would account for the 4 days of the Passover Lamb being presented to the people: the 10th as the day of preparation, the 11th and 12th, then the 13th, the day the Lamb is slain for the Passover. Is this what the Bible teaches?

                Jesus and His disciples ate the Passover meal the day before the Passover. The Disciples and Jesus were still in Bethany 2 days before the Passover. That would be the 12th. While there, Jesus was anointed by Mary (John 12:3). Jesus told His Disciples to go into the city of Jerusalem to a certain house:

                Matthew 26:17  Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

    18  And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.

    19  And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.

    20  Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

                Mark 14: 16  And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.

    <![if !supportLists]>17     <![endif]>And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.

    Some have said that Jesus was slain on the Passover day itself, but the Bible does not teach this. In Matthew 26, we read:

    Matthew 26:1  And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,

    2  Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

    3  Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,

    4  And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtlety, and kill him.

    5  But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar among the people.

    6  Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper,

    7  There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.

                Mark 14:1  After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.

    2  But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar of the people.

    3  And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.

                Luke 22:1  Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

    <![if !supportLists]>2       <![endif]>And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.

    The Pharisees made it clear: Jesus was NOT to be killed on the feast day, the Passover, the 14th. That means Jesus had to be killed before the 14th.

                With the coming of the evening, that would be a new day, the 13th, the Day of preparation, the day before the Passover, which was on the 14th. It would have been this evening that Jesus was betrayed by Judas, apprehended by the Romans, and placed on trial.

                Christ’s trial lasted that night and into the morning, when at first light, He was brought before Pilate. Pilate had a habit of pardoning prisoners for the Passover Holiday:

                Matthew 27: 15  Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.

                Mark 15:6  Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired.

                Luke 23: 16  I will therefore chastise him, and release him.

    17  (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

                John 19: 10  Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

    11  Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

    12  And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

    13  When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.

    14  And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

    15  But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

    16  Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

    17  And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

    18  Where they crucified him, and two others with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

                It is clear, then, that Jesus was crucified on the day before Passover, and that would be the 13th. This is again confirmation that Jesus died on the Day of Preparation in the account of Jesus Burial:

    MARK 15:42  And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

    43  Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

    44  And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.

    45  And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.

                LUKE 23:50  And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:

    51  (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.

    52  This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.

    53  And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

    54  And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

                  John 19: 31  The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away…..

    41  Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

    42  There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

                  The Conclusion here must be, then, that Jesus was Crucified on the 13th of the month, before the Passover Holy Day began.

                  Knowing all this, now, we need to examine the 3 days Christ spent in the tomb. Christ predicted He would spend 3 days in the tomb:

                  Matthew 12: 38  Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

    39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

    40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    41  The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

                  Matthew 16:1  The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would show them a sign from heaven.

    2  He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

    3  And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

    4  A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

                Matthew 16:21  From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

                Matthew 20: 17  And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,

    18  Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

    19  And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

                Mark 8: 31  And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

                Luke 11: 29  And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

    30  For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

    31  The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

    32  The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

                The story of Jonas is the story of Jonah. Jonah was sent by God to pronounce judgment on the city of Nineveh. Jonah refused to go, and tried to escape by ship. God sent a storm and the ships crew realized that Jonah was the reason for the storm. When Jonah admitted he was running from God, the crew reluctantly threw him overboard, where a great fish swallowed Jonah. According to Jonah’s testimony, Jonah was dead and in Hades, crying out to God:

                Jonah 1: 17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

    2:1  Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,

    2  And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

    3  For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

    4  Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

    5  The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

    6  I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

    7  When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

    8  They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

    9  But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

    10  And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

     

                Jonah’s statement that he went to the bottoms of the mountains and that he was brought up (his life) from corruption, indicates that Jonah was dead inside the great fish. God’s word tells us he was in the fish 3 days and 3 nights.

                Christ tells us His sign to the Jews was that He would be 3 days and three nights in the tomb, and that He would be alive again.

                We have already seen that Jesus Christ died on the day of preparation, the 13th, and that He was put in the tomb at evening just as the Passover was beginning. This means that Christ’s first day in the tomb would begin on the Passover Day, a High Sabbath.

                  Also, we read that the day after the Passover was another Sabbath known as The Feast of Unleavened Bread, and this Holiday begins on the 15th of the first month. This means that Christ’s second day in the tomb would begin on a Sabbath day, also, the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

                If the Day of Preparation was Wednesday, the 13th, beginning at 6PM Tuesday Night and ending Wednesday 6PM, that means the Passover was the 14th, began Wednesday at 6PM and ended Thursday 6PM, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread began on Thursday 6PM and ended Friday at 6PM.

                This only covers two days, however. The third day in the tomb must be accounted for. If we start with the day of Presentation, the 10th being Sunday, and with Passover, the 14th, being the first day in the tomb, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the 15th being the second, the third day in the tomb would have to be the normal Sabbath day. Christ’s tomb was discovered empty on the first day of the week, Sunday, before sunrise. The three days would have been over for about 12 hours, with the third day ending on the Sabbath Day at 6PM.

                This is significant. When we consider that the crucifixion happened on a Wednesday, Christ’s entire time in the tomb would have been 3 Sabbath Days! Also, when we consider that the tomb was discovered empty 12 hours after the 3rd day was over, we see that there might be another connection to the Sign of Jonas (Jonah). When Jonah was spewed out of the fish’s mouth, he traveled a full day’s journey into the city, which was described as 3 days journey across in size. That means Jonah would have been walking about 12 hours into the city before he announced judgment. When we consider how Christ said He would give the sign of Jonah, He could have been including the Biblical reference to these 12 hours between Jonah’s journey into the city and a connection to Christ being already raised from the tomb; the similarity is interesting. Christ, in order to fulfill the prophecy that He would spend 3 days and nights in the tomb, would have His 3rd day over at 6PM Saturday night. The tomb was not discovered empty until almost 12 hours later. Jonah spent 3 days and nights in the belly of the great fish and then traveled a day’s journey into Nineveh before he announced judgment.

                Another thing to consider when we look at the time period of when the tomb was discovered was that the 3rd day ended at 6PM, or sundown, the evening. To travel at night unescorted was dangerous then, especially for a woman. To travel in the early morning would be safer, for most of the people who would be considered a threat to a lone woman traveling in the dark would have been asleep. This could explain why they did not travel when the First day of the week began, for that would mean a return to their homes during the dark, when any dangerous person was around.

     The Bible states the Disciples were scattered because of the trial and crucifixion of Jesus. (Matthew 26:56; Luke 23:49). Also, it might have been known to them of the guard placed at the tomb by the Romans and they were afraid to appear at the tomb lest they be arrested (Matthew 27:62-66). The Jews clearly knew what Jesus said about Him coming alive again, that’s why they placed the guard, so they could prevent the Disciples from ‘stealing’ the body and claiming a false resurrection. These factors may have been why there were no Disciples at the tomb at the time the 3rd day was over.

                What I believe this all proves is that Jesus was Crucified on a Wednesday, and that for centuries Christians have been observing the wrong day for the remembrance of Christ’s death on the Cross. With the Crucifixion on Wednesday, all 3 days of Christ’s death inside the tomb were Sabbath days, with the First day being the Passover, the Second Day being the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the Third day being the normal Sabbath, pointing to the day Christ being Crucified on as Wednesday, not Friday.

        

                An interesting note: The Jewish Talmud has an account of Jesus and the day of His death, that day being BEFORE the Passover meal occurred:

      190.

    A Rabbinic view of Jesus' Execution

     

    It is taught:
    They hanged Jesus [Yeshu] on the eve of Passover.
    Now a crier went forth for forty days before this (saying):
    --"He goes forth to be stoned because he practiced magic
    and stirred up Israel to apostasy.
    Let anyone who knows anything in his favor come forward
    and speak up for him!"
    But they found nothing in his favor
    and they hanged him on the eve of Passover.
    Ulla said:
    --"Do you suppose a revolutionary had anything in his favor!"
    He was an instigator [mesith] (to apostasy)
    and the Merciful has said:
    --'You shall not spare or conceal him!' (Deut 13:8)"
    But it was different with (Jesus), for he was near to the kingdom!

     

    --- , 43a

     

    [Note: this account was probably formulated to contradict Christian claims that Jews engineered Jesus' execution without giving him a fair hearing. It agrees with the Fourth Gospel in dating Jesus' death prior to the Passover meal. Otherwise its details are based on Jewish procedures for stoning rather than on information in the gospels.]

     

    http://religion.rutgers.edu/iho/jesus.html#J_hanged

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The list below is a short version of the Biblical timeline.

    8th day of Nisan Thur 6PM To Fri 6PM Christ eats Supper with Lazarus in Bethany

    9th day of Nisan Fri 6PM To Sat 6PM Sabbath Day Christ in Bethany

    10th day of Nisan Sat 6PM To Sun 6PM Day of Presentation Of the LAMB Before the People, Palm Sunday

    11th day of Nisan Sun 6PM To Mon 6PM

    12th day of Nisan Mon 6PM To Tue 6PM ; Last Supper Of Christ,

    13th day of Nisan Tue 6PM to Wed 6PM Day of Preparation. Christ Crucified The same time Passover Begins at Evening at 6pm, Killing of The LAMB,

    14th day of Nisan Wed 6PM To Thur 6PM Passover. 1st day in the tomb ends at Thur 6PM

    Day-1 15th day of Nisan Thur 6PM To Fri 6PM Feast of Unleavened Bread; Feast of Unleavened Bread Begins At 6PM, 2nd day in the tomb ends at Fri 6PM

    Day-2 16th day of Nisan Fri 6PM To Sat 6PM Normal Sabbath; Sabbath Begins at FRI 6PM, Ends at Sat 6PM, 3rd day in The Tomb Ends at Sat 6PM Tomb Opened Anytime After 6PM Saturday Tomb Found Empty Before Sunrise Sunday

     Day-3 17th day of Nisan Sat 6PM To Sun 6PM Resurrection

     

     

     

    4th day of

    Nisan

    Sun 6PM

    To

    Mon 6PM

    5th day of

    Nisan

    Mon 6PM

    To

    Tue 6PM

    6th day of

    Nisan

    Tue 6PM

    To

    Wed 6PM

    7th day of

    Nisan

    Wed 6PM

    To

    Thur 6PM

    8th day of

    Nisan

    Thur 6PM

    To

    Fri 6PM

    9th day of

    Nisan

    Fri 6PM

    To

    Sat 6PM

    10th day of

    Nisan

    Sat 6PM

    To

    Sun 6PM

     

     

     

     

    Christ eats

    Supper with

    Lazarus in

    Bethany

    Sabbath Day

    Christ in

    Bethany

    Day of

    Presentation

    Of the

    LAMB

    Before the

    People

    Palm Sunday

    11th day of

    Nisan

      Sun 6PM

    To

    Mon 6PM

    12th day of

    Nisan

    Mon 6PM

    To

    Tue 6PM

    13th day of

    Nisan

    Tue 6PM

    to

    Wed 6PM

    Day of

    Preparation

    14th day of

    Nisan

    Wed 6PM

    To

    Thur 6PM

    Passover

     

     

     

    Day-1

    15th day of

    Nisan

    Thur 6PM

    To

    Fri 6PM

    Feast of

    Unleavened

    Bread

     

    Day-2

    16th day of

    Nisan

    Fri 6PM

    To

    Sat 6PM

    Normal

    Sabbath

     

     

    Day-3

    17th day of

    Nisan

    Sat 6PM

    To

    Sun 6PM

    Resurrection

     

     

    Day of

    Preparation,

    Last Supper

    Of Christ,

    Killing of

    The LAMB,

    Christ

    Crucified

    The same

    time

    Passover

    Begins at

    Evening

    at 6pm,

    1st day in

    the tomb

    ends at

    Thur 6PM

    Feast of

    Unleavened

    Bread

    Begins

    At 6PM,

    2nd day in

    the tomb

    ends at

    Fri 6PM

    Sabbath

    Begins at

    FRI 6PM,

    Ends at

    Sat 6PM,

    3rd day in

    The Tomb

    Ends at

    Sat 6PM

    Tomb

    Opened

    Anytime

    After 6PM

    Saturday

    Tomb

    Found Empty

    Before

    Sunrise

    Sunday

     

     

     

    External references:

    The Jewish Text

    The Babylonian Talmud is a commentary on Jewish laws composed between A.D. 500-600 (Neusner/Green, 69) Therein is a text about Jesus’ death. The Tractate Sanhedrin (43a) contains this passage:

    Jesus was hanged on Passover Eve. Forty days previously the herald had cried, “He is being led out for stoning, because he has practiced sorcery and led Israel astray and enticed them into apostasy. Whosoever has anything to say in his defense, let him come and declare it.” As nothing was brought forward in his defense, he was hanged on Passover Eve.

    An analysis of this paragraph is extremely rewarding. First, one must observe that the document is written from the Jewish viewpoint; thus, as expected, is hostile to Jesus, and is defensive of Jewish jurisprudence. This makes it all the more valuable as a document for the support of Christianity.

    http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1357-the-jewish-talmud-and-the-death-of-christ

    Additional reference:

    Talmud, b. Sanhedrin 43a: (Also Sanh. 7:4 & Sanh. 6:4 refer to His crucifixion)
    ”On the eve of the Passover Yeshu [Jesus] was hanged [or crucified]. … Since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover.”

    http://unioncitycc.org/wordpress/?tag=talmud

    Additional reference (2)

    Another Jewish source, the Talmud, makes several historical references to Jesus. According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the Talmud is "the collection of ancient Rabbinic writings consisting of the Mishnah and the Gemara, constituting the basis of religious authority for traditional Judaism." Although not explicitly referred to by name, later rabbis identify the person as Jesus. These references to Jesus are neither sympathetic to Him or His Church. Also these writings were preserved through the centuries by Jews, so Christians cannot be accused of tampering with the text.

    The Talmud makes note of Jesus' miracles. No attempt is made to deny them, but it ascribes them to magical arts from Egypt. Also His crucifixion is dated as "on the eve of the Feast of the Passover" in agreement with the Gospel (Luke 22:1ff; John 19:31ff). Similar again to the Gospel (Matt. 27:51), the Talmud records the earthquake and the tearing in two of the Temple curtain during the time of Jesus' death. Josephus in his book, The Jewish War, also confirmed these events.

    http://users.binary.net/polycarp/jesus.html

     

  • The Christian Life, and how it is to be lived

    03/01/2015 10:08:16 AM PST · 10 of 16
    RaceBannon to LearsFool

    please post your version of this, and please post the verses and footnotes so we can all be edified.

  • The Christian Life, and how it is to be lived

    03/01/2015 4:32:57 AM PST · 1 of 16
    RaceBannon
  • INSANITY: Woman falsely accuses man of rape – but he records it all on video!

    03/01/2015 4:22:08 AM PST · 10 of 57
    RaceBannon to avenir

    those were Massachusetts accents, not hillbillys

  • Unbelief is Unbelief - No Matter How You Dress it Up!

    02/28/2015 6:15:17 PM PST · 14 of 20
    RaceBannon to BCrago66

    Satan did not rise from the dead

    nor was Satan seen by over 500 people after rising from the dead

    Nor was Satan seen to rise into heaven to be received by God the Father

    Nor did Satan ever do the miracles that Jesus did and were recorded by faithful Jews

    and if you do NOT believe Jesus, you will die in your sins

    yet, if you believe Satan, you WILL die in your sins

  • Please Pray for my cousin Susan, her husband Tim and their daughters Lucy and Reyna

    02/28/2015 5:11:23 PM PST · 108 of 159
    RaceBannon to infool7

    Prayers out!

  • Are Washington Republicans Incompetent?

    02/28/2015 9:44:13 AM PST · 48 of 57
    RaceBannon to Zakeet
  • Rereading American Betrayal: How FDR's Soviet Recognition Changed the USA Beyond Recognition

    02/27/2015 4:24:43 PM PST · 41 of 46
    RaceBannon to zeestephen

    the germans would have had their army split as long as they abandoned any idea of attacking Britain

    that would have left them weak and 1000 miles away from their other front

    The Russians would have kept fighting without our help, not as well, but kept at it

    Too many Ukrainians liked the Nazis, though, the german army would have had a lot of free warriors

  • Rereading American Betrayal: How FDR's Soviet Recognition Changed the USA Beyond Recognition

  • Rereading American Betrayal: How FDR's Soviet Recognition Changed the USA Beyond Recognition

    02/27/2015 4:18:56 PM PST · 39 of 46
    RaceBannon to Lurking Libertarian

    not true, in fact, one of the final points you realize in her book, is that we did not fight to our doctrine, but to soviet doctrine, we waxed the Nazis only AFTER the soviets entered German territory, we didnt invade until Russia was inside German borders

    and she makes it clear, it appears to have been why we waited so long to invade Europe in France

  • Rereading American Betrayal: How FDR's Soviet Recognition Changed the USA Beyond Recognition

    02/27/2015 4:16:48 PM PST · 38 of 46
    RaceBannon to BenLurkin
  • Rereading American Betrayal: How FDR's Soviet Recognition Changed the USA Beyond Recognition

    02/27/2015 4:12:41 PM PST · 37 of 46
    RaceBannon to No One Special

    youtube links to Diana West speaking oin this book, must watch!

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkoOH05Yvyb2IfDUSxkoYQSrKyH9XORbq

  • Snow for all 50 States Forecast in Next 7 Days

    02/27/2015 2:26:40 PM PST · 4 of 43
    RaceBannon to Hojczyk
  • There Is No Wisdom in Sin - Chapter 11

    02/26/2015 6:00:14 PM PST · 7 of 27
    RaceBannon to metmom

    here is one I dare you to read :)

    THE SINFULNESS OF SIN
    By Ralph Venning
    Puritan author

    there is ZERO comfort in this book :)

    http://www.preachtheword.com/bookstore/sinfulness.pdf

  • There Is No Wisdom in Sin - Chapter 11

    02/26/2015 5:59:13 PM PST · 6 of 27
    RaceBannon to metmom

    Good choice of author :)

  • The Six Days of Creation

    02/25/2015 3:41:45 PM PST · 154 of 174
    RaceBannon to Neidermeyer

    Well, that means that you dont believe God when He says SIX DAYS?

    Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Ex 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    Ex 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the Lord thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
    Ex 20:11 For [in] six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    You and God need to have a talk...

  • The Six Days of Creation

    02/25/2015 3:02:54 AM PST · 127 of 174
    RaceBannon to Neidermeyer

    that’s why you fail

    you wont trust God’s word

    You need to believe what Moses said, and it is quite possible, that refusing to believe Moses, means you dont believe God Himself:

    Lk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
    Lk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
    Lk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

  • How We Got the Bible

  • The Six Days of Creation

    02/24/2015 7:06:21 PM PST · 75 of 174
    RaceBannon to HiTech RedNeck

    how is love shown if you teach lies?

    Telling someone the truth is more loving than lying to them so they die in their sins

  • The Six Days of Creation

    02/24/2015 7:04:42 PM PST · 73 of 174
    RaceBannon to DesertRhino

    you didnt read the Bible study, nor did you watch the first video

    please do the Bible study first, fill it all out, then watch the first video

  • The Six Days of Creation

    02/24/2015 7:00:52 PM PST · 72 of 174
    RaceBannon to HiTech RedNeck

    when did you stop beating your salamander?

  • The Six Days of Creation

    02/24/2015 4:59:30 PM PST · 54 of 174
    RaceBannon to HiTech RedNeck

    then you need to stop believing in fairy tales of you being related to salamanders, I mean, only an insane person would believe they came from an ape or a whale or a lemur

    evolution is not science, it is science fiction and a dogmatic evidence Karl Marx used to defend communism as his godless and materialistic utopia

  • The Six Days of Creation

    02/24/2015 4:50:13 PM PST · 48 of 174
    RaceBannon to RaceBannon; The Ignorant Fisherman

    bump

  • The Six Days of Creation

    02/24/2015 4:48:56 PM PST · 42 of 174
    RaceBannon to Zathras

    actually, no, they knew that the BOOKS OF MOSES were written by MOSES

    Not in Babylon

    so, whoever told you that doesn’t know the Bible, nor do they know history