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  • Francis: Church has One Year to Mature. In the Meantime, its Doors are Wide Open

    10/20/2014 12:34:21 PM PDT · 64 of 76
    Mrs. Don-o to mrobisr
    That's not what I said. I didn't say Christ's sacrifice on the cross was "not enough." It's pointless for you to ask me to prove what I did not say, and do not believe.

    Anyway, I was responding to the previous poster who said the Catholic Church insults non-Catholic Christians by saying "... their ministers [are] effectively phonies with no right to give communion."

    This is mistaken because as far as I know, such ministers do not even claim they give "Communion" in the same sense claimed by the Catholic Church, i.e. "the Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity" of Jesus Christ" present in the Eucharistic Sacrifice.

    Therefore these Protestants are not 'phonies' and nobody is calling them 'phonies.' I don't call them phonies. They say they are offering a symbolic meal which in no way, shape of form involves "Transubstantiation" or "Sacrifice," and we say, "Exactly."

    We're actually in agreement on that point, if I am not mistaken.

    "If I am not mistaken, I am not infallibe." :o)

  • Pope: 'God Is Not Afraid Of New Things'

    10/20/2014 12:22:35 PM PDT · 81 of 88
    Mrs. Don-o to detective
    "The fact that the Pope appears to be saying that homosexuality is a “new thing” is very disturbing."

    Well, he doesn't say homosexuality is a new thing. He doesn't specify what these spiritually salutary new things may be.

    And that's what's disturbing. The equivocation.

  • Francis: Church has One Year to Mature. In the Meantime, its Doors are Wide Open

    10/20/2014 12:18:26 PM PDT · 61 of 76
    Mrs. Don-o to GeronL; DarkSavant; metmom
    GeronL, I don't have time for this because I have to finish up the parish newsletter, write the G.K. Chesterton discussion quesitons for tonight, and then get out and stomp around with a "Pro-.Life/YesOn1" sign at the nearest TN Early Voting poll site

    But it just gets tedious when people who have been around here for years, like you, and who should know better, feel they can slapdash any manner of snips'n'snails together and pass it off it Catholic Doctrine. Look, I don't mind a robust argument. But that only happens when you're actually giving an accurate account of what the other guys believe.

    "A church that thinks Mary was God’s daughter..."

    Would you please explain what you mean by this? Mary could be described as a "daughter" only in the sense that I can, in the sense that she is a handmaid, knows herself to be a handmaid, and is being addressed by an Archangel as a handmaid: a servant of her Savior. She is not, however, a "daughter" in a sense parallel to Jesus Christ being God's Son. Jesus Christ is God. Mary is a handmaid. Got that? Then you agree with what the Catholic Church believes about Mary.

    "...born and lived without sin..."

    Please checkout a relevant item in Biblical Koine Greek (LINK). You may not agree with it, but can't deny it's Biblical and denotes something unique: the title Kecharitomene is used nowhere else in any Biblical or non-Biblical Greek literature. I believe it's inspired.

    "...and never died..."

    This is not what the Catholic Church teaches.

    If you're going to contend, contend with what we actually said. OK? It makes it a whole lot less tedious.

  • Francis: Church has One Year to Mature. In the Meantime, its Doors are Wide Open

    10/20/2014 11:35:05 AM PDT · 57 of 76
    Mrs. Don-o to BJ1
    Hmmm.... thinking..... thinking....

    I confess my ignorance. Are there Protestant Churches that believe and proclaim they they have a Eucharist which is not simply a symbol, but a real, living sacrifice involving Jesus' actual Body and Blood?

    Thinking ...

    Stumped me again. What did happen to Purgatory?

  • Francis: Church has One Year to Mature. In the Meantime, its Doors are Wide Open

    10/20/2014 11:31:41 AM PDT · 53 of 76
    Mrs. Don-o to detective
    "Pope Francis said come in and keep sinning as much as you want."

    Direct quote or link, please.

    Seriously. I'm writing.

  • Pope: 'God Is Not Afraid Of New Things'

    10/20/2014 11:13:43 AM PDT · 77 of 88
    Mrs. Don-o to detective
    One report --- and who knows what to believe --- said that of the 265 four-minute talks given by bishops in ES1, only one --- one --- centered on homosexual concerns. It's the media mavins, it seems, who have made this the central concern of the family synod --- not the bishops themselves.

    The Actual Synod has been almost totally cannibalized by the Media Synod.

    That in mind, the rhetorical "mise-en-scène" which determines the meaning of vague phrases like "new things' seems capable of making those meanings shift like smoke and mirrors.

    Pope Francis must know that: he's not such a fool not to know.

    I agree with Cardinak Burke that Pope Francis' careful one-the-one-hand, on-the-other without actually taking a stand, perfectly exemplified in his closing homily, is capable of doing much damage.

    The Enemy knows he's not going to get a doctrinal change --- that's impossible --- but he doesn't need it. All he needs is another decade of evasion, equivocation and confusion.

    That worries me.

  • Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gay-friendly statements

    10/20/2014 11:02:48 AM PDT · 119 of 119
    Mrs. Don-o to IrishBrigade
    No, I'm not a drama critic. It was a dramatic moment. Friends sang the "Te Deum," popped the corks on their best champagne and hung "Habemus Papam" banner out their windows.

    I was too stupid to do so at the time (1968), but have come to realize that Humanae Vitae -- the "Sanctity of Human Life" --- was the most important re-affirmation of Catholic doctrine in 500 years. Done by And it was done by Paul VI: depressed, sickly, diffident ---and nothing can quite account for such a thing but the power of the Holy Spirit.

  • Early Christian Teachings on Abortion

    10/19/2014 4:50:06 PM PDT · 2 of 10
    Mrs. Don-o to Morgana
  • Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gay-friendly statements

    10/19/2014 4:41:04 PM PDT · 106 of 119
    Mrs. Don-o to steve86
    You are exactly right that this was the reiteration of a view of the purposes of sex, and a rejection of the perversion thereof, which had been with us since the days of Onan.

    However, I'm just old enough to remember 1967 and 1968. It "felt" as if it were all going to change; and all the powers that be--- I mean ALL the powers that be in academia, the media, government, the medical, legal, and legal professions, the Socialists, the Capitalists, the racists and the racial-justice activists, the humanitarians, the libertarians, the contrarians, the punditocracy, the academic theologians, the opinionators in the secular, Protestant, Jewish and emphatically the Catholic world --- The Papal Birth Control Advisory Commission for God's sake! --- said it was all going to change.

    I remember that Dr. John Rock, the guy who ran the clinical trials for the oral contraceptive, was a daily communicant who could not even conceive that the Catholic Church would find any problems with this.

    Paul VI went against the entire world. It was Paulus Contra Mundum.

    We may live to see how important this was. It may require first, sadly, that several nations be annihilated.

  • Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gay-friendly statements

    10/19/2014 2:42:45 PM PDT · 98 of 119
    Mrs. Don-o to steve86
    From the beginning of the Gospel of John:

    "He came to His own,
    and His own did not receive Him.
    But as many as received Him,
    to them He gave the right
    to become children of God"

    It is par for the course for the Truth to come and for people not to receive it. But to those who did receive Humanae Vitae, it changed lives, saved marriages, enriched families, led to the multiplication of more godly children, and down the generations--- perhaps after the collapse of all the contraceptive societies --- it will make a big difference in saving the Church as well as the world.

    This is the truth. Watch. You'll see.

  • New coed guard duty causing ruckus at Guantánamo high-value prison

    10/19/2014 8:39:49 AM PDT · 23 of 55
    Mrs. Don-o to Oldeconomybuyer
    I sstarted readint his article thinking, "Problem because of females' much lower upper-body strength? Because of females' reduced access to adrenalin-testosterone synergy to meet a threat? Because of females' tendency to have more combat-unready days because of everything from menstrual cramping to shin splints?"

    And then I read: "... causing an uproar over religious insensitivity."

    No wonder all the social satirists are unemployed. Life keeps trumping satire.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/19/2014 8:29:11 AM PDT · 132 of 156
    Mrs. Don-o to impimp; Gadsden1st

    Exactly, impimp. Perfectly stated. The Pope is the minister-— not the master -— of the Truths of the Faith.

  • Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gay-friendly statements

    10/19/2014 8:26:20 AM PDT · 82 of 119
    Mrs. Don-o to NKP_Vet; don-o
    I realize that to many good souls, the Paul VI era represents only liturgical vandalism and disciplinary collapse. However, for me, Paul VI means, more than anything else, the incredible, heart-throbbng, completely against-the-odds and grace-drenched miracle of Humanae Vitae.

    This was a turning point in civilization. Yes, I'll double down on that: if the human race still exists 500 years from now --- if Christ tarries in His coming --- they will realize that Pope Paul VI's fidelity to the Holy Spirit of Truth saved their very existence.

  • One Last Hurrah for Texas Voter ID

    10/19/2014 8:18:08 AM PDT · 44 of 44
    Mrs. Don-o to Paleo Conservative

    W O W ! !

  • Bishops Reject Shift in Tone for Gay, Divorced Catholics

    10/18/2014 5:48:10 PM PDT · 5 of 17
    Mrs. Don-o to Bernard

    Not sure what you mean. You can’t buy a plenary indulgence.

  • Bishops Reject Shift in Tone for Gay, Divorced Catholics

    10/18/2014 5:17:37 PM PDT · 2 of 17
    Mrs. Don-o to Steelfish
    All this bafflegab is so odd.

    "At the same time, the report suggested that remarried Catholics could receive communion after a period of penance. "

    But of course. They can alwaus go back to Confession and Communion. What you can't go back to is bigamous sexual relations.

    This sounds flip, but it's not. I know a couple in my parish who are in one of these "irregular" divorce-remarriage union, who have discontinued sexual relations and are living like brother and sister for the sake of respect for their previous vows, their honor, and the honor of God.

    I know this "honor" and "sanctity" thing is hard for the modern mind to accept.

  • Cardinal Kasper: You can’t talk to Africans about homosexuality. Whoops!

    10/18/2014 5:03:36 PM PDT · 5 of 17
    Mrs. Don-o to BenLurkin

    C’mon. I’m supposing a lot of the lady homosexuals don’t do anal.

  • One Last Hurrah for Texas Voter ID

    10/18/2014 4:16:02 PM PDT · 36 of 44
    Mrs. Don-o to jazusamo
  • Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gay-friendly statements

    10/18/2014 4:03:17 PM PDT · 44 of 119
    Mrs. Don-o to Norm Lenhart

    I hear ya.

  • Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gay-friendly statements

    10/18/2014 2:03:23 PM PDT · 17 of 119
    Mrs. Don-o to Norm Lenhart
    I think I understand why you're saying that, but I'm not so sure. I'm still watching --- watching closely ---and waiting.

    An we all ought to be praying. Amirite?

  • Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gay-friendly statements

    10/18/2014 1:48:21 PM PDT · 13 of 119
    Mrs. Don-o to Norm Lenhart
    Don't be silly. The Kirchneristas and setentistas in Argentina say he's a right-wing reactionary. But what would they know?
  • What the Synod of Bishops isn’t talking about (Hijacker Bruno Forte in charge of final report)

    10/18/2014 1:36:04 PM PDT · 9 of 10
    Mrs. Don-o to Cry if I Wanna; NKP_Vet
    A Two-Minute YouTube video(LINK) which explains what we all need to keep in mind about the precious gift of Papal infallibility and how it actually works.

    "In the end aren’t Catholics just supposed to follow the pope? "

    That's true in one sense, but not true --- or at least not quite adequate --- in another.

    Yes, the Pope is supposed to tell us what God commands. That's in the job description for sure.

    But he is not an autocrat and NOT the only shepherd. His authority is at every point superseded by that of Christ, the supreme Authority; and also he is surrounded by that vast crowd of shepherds who came before him (2,000 years, 266 popes), and those shepherds all around him now who are called the bishops.

    There's supposed to be an essential degree of continuity between him and the rest of them.

    He is, as Christ said, to be feeding and caring for them, and also confirming them: (Luke 22:32) "Confirm (or 'strengthen') the brethren." They too have their own status as shepherds, and this is not merely derivative from the Pope's authority: they have their own proper "pedigree" of succession from the Apostles as well. The Pope is not to deal with them high-handedly as if they were dependents or franchisees.

    This synod has certainly been a sausage-factory-tour for us all --- not always a pretty sight --- but the Holy Spirit will find a way to settle their hash. It may take the intervention of somebody quite outside the box, another St. Catherine of Siena, maybe. (She was a 14th century poor, humble, chaste and illiterate lady whom God called to more-or-less grab the pope and order him to get back to Rome and do his duty.)

    It's a recurring theme: God picking a Nobody to get the Somebodies back on track: as has happened not infrequently in the Church's Providence-rescued past. Let us pray.

  • Why I stand with the Houston Five (LCMS in solidarity with Houston pastors)

    10/18/2014 11:33:46 AM PDT · 22 of 24
    Mrs. Don-o to chajin
    On that last tagline: it's

    ¡Hagan lío!

    It means "Make a mess!" and it's a wry but sincere cheer for our Good Bishops Pell, Muller and Burke.

    The tagline evidently doesn't support Spanish punctuation and accents.

  • Why I stand with the Houston Five (LCMS in solidarity with Houston pastors)

    10/18/2014 11:30:11 AM PDT · 21 of 24
    Mrs. Don-o to chajin

    Are you LCMS? TYhery and their allies are highly to be praised. Good to see our Christian leaders standing up like men.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/18/2014 9:46:41 AM PDT · 113 of 156
    Mrs. Don-o to grumpygresh
    A Two-Minute YouTube video (LINK) which explains what we all need to keep in mind about the precious gift of Papal infallibility and how it actually works.

    Seriously. Pope Francis is not going to make a dogmatic definition contrary to the Faith. The video explains why.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 6:31:46 PM PDT · 51 of 156
    Mrs. Don-o to alphadoggie
    St. Malachy Malarkey? Heh. No.
  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 6:30:38 PM PDT · 49 of 156
    Mrs. Don-o to Gadsden1st; Salvation
    A Two-Minute YouTube video(LINK) which explains what we all need to keep in mind about the precious gift of Papal infallibility and how it actually works.

    "There should be no politics about this. The Church is not a Democracy... The POPE is supposed to tell all of us what GOD commands.

    That's true in one sense, but not true --- or at least no quite adequate --- in another.

    Yes, the Pope is supposed to tell us what God commands. That's in the job description for sure.

    But he is not an autocrat nor the only shepherd. His authority is at every point superseded by that of Christ,the supreme Authority; and also he is surrounded by that vast crowd of shepherds who came before him, and those shepherds all around him who are called the bishops.

    He is, as Christ said, to be feeding and caring for them, and also confirming them: (Luke 22:32) "Confirm (or 'strengthen') the brethren." They too have a shepherdship, and not merely derivative from his: they have their own proper succession from the Apostles as well. The Pope is not to deal with them high-handedly as if they were dependents or franchisees.

    This synod has certainly been a sausage-factor-tour for us all --- not always a pretty sight --- but the Holy Spirit will find a way to settle their hash. It may take the intervention of somebody quite outside the box, another St. Catherine of Siena.

    As has happened not infrequently in the Church's Providence-rescued past.

    Oremus.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 5:42:39 PM PDT · 8 of 156
    Mrs. Don-o to Brian Kopp DPM

    Burke could be the next Pope! Oremus.

  • Loving Your Neighbors by Praying for Their Churches

    10/17/2014 3:51:55 PM PDT · 2 of 4
    Mrs. Don-o to SoFloFreeper

    This seems to me a very graceful point of view.

  • ¡Hagan lío! Synod Bishops revolt against leadership and get their way – UPDATE!

    10/17/2014 7:14:29 AM PDT · 31 of 37
    Mrs. Don-o to Hostage
    Hostage,if I have misrepresented the letter or the spirit of Orthodoxy on remarriage/communion or on contraception, I would beg your pardon and also be immensely grateful for the correction.

    I regret that I'm going to be away from the keyboard almost all day today, and can't give your comments the attention they deserve. Very sorry about that.

    Let me state again that, despite all its excellent gifts and graces, Orthodoxy does indeed allow for 2 divorces and remarriages, ---a man could have three living spouses from supposedly "valid" marriages (I don't know if the Orthodox Church uses the word "valid")(and of course, he cannot have them concurrently!)

    As I understand it--- correct me if I'm wrong --- in the Orthodox Church, repenting means being sorry about the divorce and the subsequent bigamy of remarriage, but being allowed to "try again" by maintaining that second marriage, which the Lord Jesus calls adulterous. In the Catholic Church, repenting means being sorry about the divorce and remarriage, and "trying again" either by rejoining the first, true spouse, or by abstaining from further sexual relations outside of that first and only marriage.

    And the Orthodox Church does allow contraception. I know of two couples, one former Evangelical and one former Episcopalian, who realized when they exited Protestantism that they had to choose seriously between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. They chose Orthodoxy in part because they wanted to continue in their contraceptive sexual practices.

    If I am mistaken, jump in and set me straight. I will praise your name!! I venerate Orthodoxy and would love to be proved in error on this.

  • MSN Headline: Vatican Alters Report Translation about Gays

    10/17/2014 6:45:29 AM PDT · 35 of 37
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv; don-o
    "How is this not the ends justifies the means?"

    Outing the Lavender Mafia is a Spiritual Work of Mercy.

    Ephesians 5:11
    Take no part in the fruitless works of darkness; rather expose them.

    "And how is letting the Lavender Mafia out itself (and scandalize the Faithful in the process) not an evil thing to do?

    Because he is letting them come out from under their brocade-upholstered rocks and show their true sliminess. At this point --- if what Fr. Z/La Stampa are reporting is true --- their name is mud as far as the other bishops are concerned. They have damaticlly lost credibility with the majority of the bishops (did you catch that there were 265 official bishops' speeches at the Synod, and only ONE (!) talked about "gay"?) (I mean !!!), and the faithful are rejoicing mightily.

    In none of this ---- as far as I am aware--- has Pope Francis broken a Commandment. Whether he has or has not blundered in prudential judgment is a different question --- differ if you will on strategy and tactics --- but he has nor violated moral law.

    He is like Daniel outing the horndog elders who tried to rape Susannah. He's doing it by letting them just keep talking. They're digging their graves with their jaws.

    If the faithful "take scandal" from the fragmentary, garbled, cherry-picked Reuters-UPI-AP-CNN-MSNBC fare they are being served, the faithful are succumbing , wittingly or not, to rash judgment. They are calling the election results before the votes are cast; they are cursing roulette while the wheel's still in spin.

    St. Francis de Sales says each person has the obligation to not TAKE scandal.

    Don't take scandal.

  • ¡Hagan lío! Synod Bishops revolt against leadership and get their way – UPDATE!

    10/17/2014 5:07:38 AM PDT · 26 of 37
    Mrs. Don-o to Hostage; yldstrk

    Because the Orthodox (Christian) Church already has divorce-remarriage-communion (up to 3 putative spouses, right?) and contraception to boot.

    Look, I love the Orthodox -— really -— but I see no reason to join a church which gave way years and years ago on the very points which the Culture of Death was pushing.

  • Why would anyone become Catholic?

    10/16/2014 2:59:52 PM PDT · 1,945 of 2,788
    Mrs. Don-o to CynicalBear

    Mine at #1944. Have a beer!

  • Why would anyone become Catholic?

    10/16/2014 2:59:22 PM PDT · 1,944 of 2,788
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    Please forgive my short-shrifting many of your points, which really are good and deserve careful discussion. I am just now switching back and forth between FR and an essay I am supposed to be finishing about G.K. Chesterton, all the while realizing I have to be out the door at 6:30 for a another commitment.

    Chesterton reminds me again that before examining your reasoning process, examine the presuppositions which underlie your reasoning process. To be too brief (egad, it's almost 6 pm) I would say the classic Protestant assumption is that the Scriptures gave rise to the Church rather than t'other way around. In some form or another, it is the background of almost every argument here in the FR Religion Forum.

    This thread may hit 2,000 but it'll do so without me. I've got to cram in some BBQ chicken thighs and then I'm outta here!

    Have an excellent evening. Beers all around when we hit 2,000 -- have one for me, OK?

  • Why would anyone become Catholic?

    10/16/2014 2:40:41 PM PDT · 1,941 of 2,788
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    "So to use catholic logic, because we can't prove or disprove something not in the Bible, but if enough people believe it it's accepted."

    That's not quite it. If something is neither proved nor disproved (ruled out) by the Bible, we can credit ancient belief and practice of the Church. That's not exactly "enough people." It's not a numerical thing, a vote. It's history, using the ordinary rules of historic investigation, and weighing the antiquity, the authority and the credibility of the various sources of evidence. You may underestimate how conservative andwha sticklers for details the ancient churches were. Homousios vs homoiousios and so forth. If the doctrine of the Assumption had been heretical, I think the introduction of liturgical celebrations of the same would have caused rioting and schisms on three continents.

    It's important that our evaluation of such sources take fully into account the profound conservatism of the local Churches (by which I mean, in the Catholic sense of the term, Dioceses) involved. And their extreme disinclination to let sister local Churches deviate by one iota from what they had received from the APostles.

    Did you read the article I referenced?

    (I copied it from the cache version and then zoomed it up in size, because that small print bothers my eyes. I wish I had a more legible version to offer you.)

  • Australian chef who killed self after boiling wife in a pot mourned by family, friends 

    10/16/2014 2:28:49 PM PDT · 43 of 73
    Mrs. Don-o to dfwgator

    :o}

  • Australian chef who killed self after boiling wife in a pot mourned by family, friends 

    10/16/2014 2:22:10 PM PDT · 37 of 73
    Mrs. Don-o to Citizen Zed

    Shouldn’a gone awry. It would’a been better with couscous.

  • MSN Headline: Vatican Alters Report Translation about Gays

    10/16/2014 2:10:10 PM PDT · 28 of 37
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    No, I just told you I do not support the idea that "The end justifies the means."

    I said that not all sly-like-a-serpent-ness is a sin.

    Anything that is an actual sin is prohibited, by definition. Sin is never the lesser of two evils.

  • MSN Headline: Vatican Alters Report Translation about Gays

    10/16/2014 2:09:59 PM PDT · 27 of 37
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    No, I just told you I do not support the idea that "The end justifies the means."

    I said that not all sly-like-a-serpent-ness is a sin.

    Anything that is an actual sin is prohibited, by definition. Sin is never the lesser of two evils.

  • Not All Catholic Bishops Onboard With Positive Language Toward Same-Sex Couples

    10/16/2014 2:07:14 PM PDT · 13 of 13
    Mrs. Don-o to sitetest

    A good distinction. Thank you.

  • Why would anyone become Catholic?

    10/16/2014 2:05:21 PM PDT · 1,935 of 2,788
    Mrs. Don-o to CynicalBear
    I taught the lesson on Apostolic Tradition (the preaching and example of the Apostles, a.k.a. oral tradition and liturgy) as the source and guarantee of the Scriptures in this week's RCIA class. I wish you could have been there (it would have livened things up, I'm sure.)

    The Assumption of Mary is not in the Scriptures. Neither is it ruled out in the Scriptures. (After all, far lesser than she were taken bodily up to heaven. The Assumption of Elijah comes to mind.) It is in the spelled-with-a-capital-letter, big-T Tradition.

    Nobody ever found, nor claimed to ind, nor so much as credited the possibility of finding, bodily remains of Mary. Not even relic-hunter Empress Helena, for whom such a coup would have been a matchless feather in her imperial cap. Not even all the Israeli Antiquities Authority people or their equivalent back in the day. Even during the centuries when people were quite gaga about relics. As the Pope Pius XII (1950) reasoned, “Finally, since the Church has never sought for bodily relics of the Blessed Virgin, nor exposed them for the veneration of the faithful, we have an argument which can be considered as 'practically a proof by sensory experience'" (AAS 42. 765-66).

    The bottom line: although the Papal declaration of the Assumption as a dogma (Munificentissimus Deus) was not published until 1950, it had been first believed by the ancient Christian community (sensus fidelium), then celebrated liturgically, then supported by scholastic argument from Scripture, and lastly --- many centuries later--- formally defined as a dogma of the Faith.

    That, by the way, is the normal course of doctrine: it is first anciently believed; then celebrated; then clarified by argument, then defined. And not the other way around.

    This article supplies a more cohesive explaanation. Scroll half way down Assumption -- Page 7 (LINK) or here's the PDF version: ASSUMPTION -- Page 7 - 9 (LINK)--- It'll take you some time to digest, but if you really want to understand this bit o'popery --- perhaps for the purpose of blasting it more accurately, eh? --- there it is.

    Enjoy, Brother Bear!

  • Mark Driscoll, Top Megachurch Pastor, Resigns

    10/16/2014 1:44:04 PM PDT · 42 of 53
    Mrs. Don-o to Tax-chick

    Excellent living parable :o)

  • MSN Headline: Vatican Alters Report Translation about Gays

    10/16/2014 1:30:02 PM PDT · 25 of 37
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv

    Nobody should do evil. All “sly as a snake” tactics are not evil, however.

  • Mark Driscoll, Top Megachurch Pastor, Resigns

    10/16/2014 1:28:47 PM PDT · 39 of 53
    Mrs. Don-o to Tax-chick

    I’m just teaching my RCIA’ers about Paul. What a good ‘un.

  • Why would anyone become Catholic?

    10/16/2014 1:27:43 PM PDT · 1,920 of 2,788
    Mrs. Don-o to Rides_A_Red_Horse
    a"...and nine others just fled like scalded rats toward the tall grass."

    The first instance if history, by the way, of the Catholic bishops acting collegially....

  • Why would anyone become Catholic?

    10/16/2014 1:26:11 PM PDT · 1,919 of 2,788
    Mrs. Don-o to Rides_A_Red_Horse
    Member of the Catholic church have strayed all through history, and have not been true to the original teachings of the Apostles.

    Remember that of Christ's select, right-hand men, his original 12 hand-picked Apostles, one betrayed Him, one thrice denied Him, and 9 others just fled like scalded rats toward the tall grass. Who remained at the foot of the Cross? One --- John -- and Christ's Blessed Mother, Mary. There stood the Church.

    "Members of" the Church? We're all --- I am sorry to say this --- sinners.

    Members of the Body of Christ are sinners.

    A terrible paradox.

    But Christ loves this Bride of His, and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless...

  • MSN Headline: Vatican Alters Report Translation about Gays

    10/16/2014 1:17:40 PM PDT · 23 of 37
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    Yeah, I am. #21

    Wait and see.

  • Mark Driscoll, Top Megachurch Pastor, Resigns

    10/16/2014 1:16:31 PM PDT · 37 of 53
    Mrs. Don-o to Tax-chick; dragonblustar

    So true. >:o\

  • Mark Driscoll, Top Megachurch Pastor, Resigns

    10/16/2014 1:14:31 PM PDT · 36 of 53
    Mrs. Don-o to dragonblustar
    :o(

    It saddens me to see people so badly misled. And there's "a lot of that" going around.

  • Why would anyone become Catholic?

    10/16/2014 1:12:50 PM PDT · 1,915 of 2,788
    Mrs. Don-o to Rides_A_Red_Horse
    "Yet the Catholic Church tortured, maimed and killed many defensless, innocent victimes during the Inquisition."

    Reconcile it? Don't be a fool. I don't reconcile it at all. Such actions, by anyone, at any time, were, and are, heinous crimes and damnable sins.