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  • English is Weird: Starting With the Word 'UP'

    02/24/2018 12:42:28 PM PST · 54 of 54
    Mrs. Don-o to Celerity

    That’s not the worst thing up with which we have to put.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/24/2018 12:29:15 PM PST · 120 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    Read Hebrews again, esp. chapters 9 and 10, and you may get this thing about His "eternal" --- that is, all-timely and timeless ---sacrifice.

    This is what trips us up in our limited human minds: we don't easily grasp that an event can be at once "in time" and "n eternity" --- like Christ's sacrifice.

    It happened once; but since the Lamb was slain "from before the foundation of the world,", it is accessible in the present. Hence, the Mass.

    You can only grasp it when you realize that here, time and eternity intersect.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/24/2018 11:45:55 AM PST · 119 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    You do dig out obscure and oddly misspoken priests.

    Yet you seem to avoid the Catechism --- which IS authoritative --- like a wee little diablo avoids Holy Water.

    Have you gone to the Catechism links yet?




    The Church does not "sacrifice" Jesus. The Mass is a sacrifice because it is the one, once-and-for-all, one-time, not multiple, ipsissimus, self-same sacrifice of Christ offering Himself as a sacrifice for our redemption.

    He is the priest who does the sacrificing. The one and only.

    He is the Lamb. The one and only.

    The Lamb Who was "slain before the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8).

    That makes it uniquely timeless.

    Yet this was singular, a one-time deal. He did this once. Get it?

    It's something that happened once in time, which we also have access to because it existed from timeless eternity, which is ever-present to God's eyes. Before the foundation of the world. That means before Time.

    We mortals ponder that.

    In the Mass, we have access to it.

  • Fla. School District Trying To Curb School-To-Prison Pipeline : Code Switch

    02/24/2018 9:25:53 AM PST · 27 of 43
    Mrs. Don-o to Flick Lives
    Beat me to it.

    I wan going to say:

    "They got a great alternative to the School-To-Prison pipeline.

    They call it "School-To-Funeral-Home."

  • Chinese Priest Talks About the Enflamed Climate Surrounding China-Vatican Talks

    02/24/2018 8:53:39 AM PST · 8 of 8
    Mrs. Don-o to exPBRrat

    Pray - and fast.

  • Chinese Priest Talks About the Enflamed Climate Surrounding China-Vatican Talks

    02/24/2018 8:53:20 AM PST · 7 of 8
    Mrs. Don-o to Ouchthatonehurt
    I have to agree. This is one one worst thing Pope Francis has done, in my opinion: the most obtuse, the most cynical and heartless.

    Although a lot of things are in competition for "worst".

    Please pray for Bergoglio. Offer the Lenten fast. Seriously.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/24/2018 8:48:51 AM PST · 117 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    What are you disagreeing about? We agree on this one.

    "Nope. That was a one time event. It is not repeated."

    AMEN.

    Did you look up what the Catechism says about "one sacrifice"? That link is still good, you know.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 7:47:08 PM PST · 111 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone

    The Mass is indeed a sacrifice. It is the one sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary. That’s the part you’re not getting.

    Did you go to that link?

    Do so. Read. Then we can continue.

    Good evening, ealgeone.

  • Chinese Priest Talks About the Enflamed Climate Surrounding China-Vatican Talks

    02/23/2018 7:00:24 PM PST · 4 of 8
    Mrs. Don-o to BipolarBob

    I do. They want to put their operatives in as supervisors of the clergy so that the Church will have no public voice differing from that of the Communist Party. Like when the Soviet Union instituted a government “Ministry of Religion” and made their own KGB men Orthodox Bishops.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 6:56:06 PM PST · 107 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    "...Jesus being brought down from Heaven and rendered on the altar over and over and over again."

    If by "rendered" you mean "sacrificed," this is not what the Mass is and this is not what the Church teaches. Christ's sacrifice happened ONCE at Calvary, ca. 33 AD. Christ is not re-sacrificed.

    If you want to understand Catholic Doctrine, I strongly recommend your first reference should be the Catholic Catechism.

    1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."

    This was very easy to locate in the Catechism, which is in searchable form online. I urge you to check it out. These are the results from using the keywords one sacrifice (LINK)

    There are a number of very interesting parallel passages there.

    That would be your first step.

  • [Catholic Caucus] Texas Bishops Slam Faithful Pro-Life Group

    02/23/2018 6:44:27 PM PST · 3 of 12
    Mrs. Don-o to campaignPete R-CT
    This just happens to be exactly what Bishops do not have any canonical authority to do: "lay down the law" on a prudential judgment, that is, a public policy question.

    They can and must teach the relevant principles where public policy intersects with moral law. E.g. we must oppose abortion. We must never approve or facilitate or advance or fund or encourage abortion.

    BUT! They cannot make binding prudential decisions. E.g. take this pro-life legislative option rather than that one. That is, assuming that neither one flatly violates the moral law.

    I would say this even if I agreed with the Bishops' public policy preferences.

    It is not the clergy's job job to "rule" on competing legislative strategies. That is precisely the proper sphere of action of the laity.

    Clericalism at its worst.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 6:21:15 PM PST · 104 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    You're arguing about the word "transubstantiation." That is related to, but not identical to, the doctrine of the Lord's real Body and Blood being real food and real drink. (I say "not identical to" because the doctrine existed before the word.) A person does not have to speak Latin to accept the realism of the Eucharist. The essential thing is this:

    Jesus: "This is My Body."

    The believer: "Amen."

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 6:16:14 PM PST · 103 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    I am grateful, ealgeone, that you have graciously given me the opportunity to clear up so many common misconceptions.

    "It wasn't until Trent that Rome formally declared its position on this topic."

    Not so. The Church declared it position as early as c. AD 53–54 (early enough for you, ealgeone??) in 1 Corinthians, esp. Chapter 11, v.27-29 where it deals with eucharistic sacrilege in this way: "Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord."

    "And yes...I did show where there was debate about the Mass/Transubstantiation."

    I repeat: I didn't ask whether there was a "debate" about the word "transubstantiation." I asked whether anybody said the Mass contradicted the NT. As I pointed out before, there was a Mass before the word "transubstantiation" even existed, and the Greeks preferred to express Eucharistic Realism with the word "metaousiosis," and still do, Byzantine Greek Catholics as well.

    By way of analogy, there was belief in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Three Persons in one God, before the word "Trinity" existed. In the early 3rd century, Tertullian was the first we know of to use the Latin word "Trinity" in this precise way, to explain that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "one in essence—not one in Person"

    It did not become formalized and defined as a doctrine until the 4th century (Nicaea) and subsequent Councils; this does NOT indicate that it was not believed until the 4th century, but that it was not philosophically defined until the 4th century.

    The formal definition of a doctrine is *never* the beginning of a doctrine. Formal definition comes centuries and even millennia after the beginning of a doctrine, which goes back to Apostolic times. It is intended to define the matter precisely enough to end the debate.

    And there was plenty of debate. That's why there were Councils. Heck it took 100+ years to overcome the Arians who claimed that "there was a time when the Son was not."

    It took around 400 years to nail down an official definition of which books were part of the Canon of Scripture.

    That does NOT mean that the canonical books were not in use prior to the 5th century., On the contrary,it was the widespread usage of these Books in the Liturgies of the various churches, which served to settle the question. First came the practice; far later came the definition.

    I hope you understand that the significance of the preceding, is that doctrine does not *start* with its official definition.

    You claim, as well, that this passage from Acts contradicts the Mass:

    "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
    that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols
    and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication..."
    Acts 15: 24-29

    Do you really think they were preaching against the Body and Blood of Christ? That was not the topic, or even close, as you can readily see from the context. They were debating the relevance of Jewish Kosher laws for Gentile Christians.

    They weren't talking about Christ's Blood. They were talking about contamination from the consumption of non-kosher cow and goat and mutton meat and the blood thereof.

    Christ's Blood in the Eucharist was not seen as some disgusting non-kosher beverage, but as sacred. So much so, that if you received it unworthily -- as St. Paul explained above in 1 Corinthians--- you were truly defiled by blood-guilt.

    An early expression of the Eucharistic Realism of the Mass (before the word "transubstantiation" was in use, by the way) is found in Justin Martyr approx. 100 years after 1 Corinthians:

    For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these;
    but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour,
    having been made flesh by the Word of God,
    had both flesh and blood for our salvation,
    so likewise have we been taught
    that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word,
    and from which our blood and flesh
    by transmutation are nourished,
    is the flesh and blood of that Jesus
    who was made flesh."

    - (St. Justin Martyr, c. 153 AD, First Apology)

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 4:49:34 PM PST · 90 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    You may find it interesting that the Catholic Church comprises 22 rites, only one of which (the Latin) has historically used the word "transubstantiation," (a Latin philosophical term), but ALL of which affirm Eucharistic Realism, i.e. the Real Presence. In the Greek Catholic world, the common expression was meta-ousiosis ("change of being"); that passed into Latin as transubstantiatio, ("change of substance").

    From the (Greek) Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom Byzantine-Ruthenian usage::

    May the partaking of Your Holy Mysteries, O Lord, be not for my judgment or condemnation, but for the healing of my soul and body.

    O Lord, I also believe and profess that this, which I am about to receive, is truly Your most precious body and Your life-giving blood, which, I pray, make me worthy to receive for the remission of all my sins and for life everlasting.

    Amen.

    Both the Latin "transubstantiation" and the Greek "metaousiosis" indicate Eucharistic Realism.

    I'm not going to footnote this, but you should be able to google it instantly with those two keywords.

    Have you found anybody prior to the 16th century who claimed the Mass was contradicted by the NT? For instance, has anybody said the Mass contradicts John 6:55?

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 4:31:59 PM PST · 78 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone
    You just expended 500+ words in not answering my question.

    I did not need you to reproduce the Wikipedia article on transubstantiation. It is related to, but not the same as, Eucharistic Realism, i.e. the firm conviction, based on the very words of Jesus Christ, that the Eucharist is His True Body and Blood. This was the continuous belief of Christians for centuries before the technical term "transubstantiation" was adopted, and for 1500+ before the ancient doctrine was rejected altogether by the Protestant new paradigm.

    But I didn't ask you about "transubstantiation." I asked you:

    "Did any Christian believe the Mass was in contradiction to the NT until the 16th or 17th century?"

    Ears perked. I am sincerely interested. I am here to learn.

  • Gucci Turbans Face Backlash From Sikhs

    02/23/2018 4:10:14 PM PST · 2 of 19
    Mrs. Don-o to nickcarraway

    “could you not find a brown model?”

    Seems to be a color thing, not a faith thing.

    OTOH, is it OK if they employ a white model who’s a Sikh?

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 3:47:35 PM PST · 64 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to ealgeone

    I’m interested. Did any Christian believe the Mass was in contradiction to the NT until the 16th or 17th century? It seems to be an novel idea that didn’t occur to anybody until new paradigms of Christianity emerged 1500+ years after the birth of the Church. But if there was anybody, I’d like to know.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 1:31:48 PM PST · 55 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to miss marmelstein

    Bless you, miss marmelstein.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 1:29:51 PM PST · 54 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to Georgia Girl 2; LibFreeUSA
    Every true believer who has a mortal sin on their soul ought to receive Communion.

    This would be a two-step process: first Confession. Then Communion. Mo Hence the message of hope for everyone: Repent. And believe the Good News.

  • All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

    02/23/2018 7:46:03 AM PST · 47 of 120
    Mrs. Don-o to Mr Ramsbotham

    Not sure they’d even be wanted? Perhaps you’ll clarify: by whom?