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Posts by Mrs. Don-o

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  • GLOBAL WARMING? THE POPE IS WRONG

    05/25/2015 6:28:27 PM PDT · 41 of 41
    Mrs. Don-o to Forward the Light Brigade
    I put no credence whatsoever in Malachy. I don't even think the real Malachy (Maelmhaedhoc of Armagh)--- a great 12th century abbot and monastic reformer --- Was the author. (Most literary sleuths date the prophecies from the 17th century, not the 12th).

    And all his "prophecies" are --- typical of fraudulent oracles --- so obscure, that they can be "made to fit" only in hindsight, when you take a handful of known facts, some of them quite trivial, and try to shoehorn them retrospectively into the oracular framework.

    The stuff I've read about Pope Benedict XVI being "Gloria olivae" is just snortingly dubious. Strictly in the tea-leaves and chicken-entrails league.

  • Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good?

    05/25/2015 4:57:02 PM PDT · 18 of 73
    Mrs. Don-o to aimhigh; NKP_Vet

    All Catholics glorify God. As for the Church, called in Scripture the Body of Christ and the Bride of Christ -— we honor the Chuch too, for Christ’s sake.

  • Joe Biden Tries to Smooth Iraq Ties After Pentagon Outburst

    05/25/2015 4:19:01 PM PDT · 21 of 26
    Mrs. Don-o

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  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/25/2015 2:08:05 PM PDT · 48 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to UnwashedPeasant
    "You got that right! Anti-Semitism is almost non-existent on FR... FR is very pro-Israel, anti-Hamas, anti-Islamofascism."

    We're in agreement here.

    The article at the top of this thread,however, is not anti-Semitic.

    The article you objected to --- which was not this one, by the way --- is not anti-Semitic.

    And the website they which published them both --- Come And See, the Christian Website from Nazareth, is not anti-Semitic.

    Saying "anti-Semitic" or "racist" or "white privilege" or "hate group" is a conversation-stopper, a way to bully people into silence with hot accusatory language, especially when the label is applied with no evidence, with insufficient evidence, or against the evidence.

    Broad-brush prejudices, political detraction and calumny are pretty common around here, unfortunately, but that's against God's commandment:

    "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

  • GLOBAL WARMING? THE POPE IS WRONG

    05/25/2015 1:55:48 PM PDT · 38 of 41
    Mrs. Don-o to Forward the Light Brigade

    Ancient predictions... are you a Malachy devotee?

  • GLOBAL WARMING? THE POPE IS WRONG

    05/25/2015 1:53:39 PM PDT · 37 of 41
    Mrs. Don-o to jonrick46
    "The Pope believes that when man returns to that natural harmony with nature, he becomes as a god to control nature."

    Quote and link, please.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/25/2015 11:33:01 AM PDT · 46 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to UnwashedPeasant; Petrosius
    "As you certainly know, “anti-Semitism” means anti-Jewish, regardless of the word origin."

    That's a legitimate point, and one which ties in well with my point. You have not shown that this website is either anti-Jewish or anti-State of Israel.

    This website, Come and See, the Christian Website from Nazareth has posted over 875 articles (yes, I counted--- and there are more articles at their Facebook page.) They are all of interest to Christians in Israel as well as in surrounding Muslim-majority lands. They cover a big variety of topics, including

    • Biblical archaeology,
    • local politics,
    • criticizing the vandalism against Christian cemeteries and sacred sites;
    • reporting the ISIS murder of 21 Copts;
    • decrying the Ottoman slaughter of the Armenians "genocide";
    • deploring the expulsion of Christian missionaries from Syria and Algeria,
    • applauding Baptists, Evangelicals, Druzes, Catholics, Orthodox and other regional minorities working together for common concerns;
    • reports on water and agricultural development
    • business and employment news
    • upcoming religious conferences,
    • holidays and recipes from different cultures,
    • the plight of Christian "guest workers" in Islamic lands,
    • the plight of refugees, including Christians, Yazhidis, and Muslim-related minorities fleeing from ISIS, etc. etc.

    One of these articles you object to.

    This particular article does not, however, say what you told us it says. It does not "equate" Hamas terrorists with Christian saints. It does not advocate or justify violence. It is not anti-Semitic hate, and the website is not an anti-Semitic hate site.

    And you presume to judge that the author is not a Christian? Who do you think you are? Some pseudo-St. Peter in a fright wig, checking everyone's religion passport at the Pearly Gates?

    I notice you also said that the Catholic canonization of two humble and holy women, 19th century Palestinian nuns, was anti-Semitic propaganda. Anyone who has read the articles in question, AND has read your remarks, can see very well where you're coming from.

    Most FReepers are not bigots. I don't think most of us care to go there.

  • DC Court Tells Catholic Groups: Submit to HHS Mandate or Pay Massive Fines

    05/25/2015 9:31:46 AM PDT · 35 of 45
    Mrs. Don-o to marshmallow

    bfl

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/25/2015 7:15:53 AM PDT · 43 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to UnwashedPeasant
    The article you cite was written by Dr. Yohanna Katanacho, the Jerusalem-born Academic Dean of the Bethlehem Bible College. The author identifies himself as "a Palestinian Christian who is not for any form of violence whether it is state violence or terrorism." It is clearly labeled an opinion piece.

    Do you think that publications which would publish such an opinion piece or a similar one, should be banned on FR? That would exclude all of the major media source in the United States, and most in the world. It would probably even ban a great many Israeli publications.

    Or do you think that the article about endangered Christian schools, by a different author and on a different topic, should be excluded because they are somewhat adjacent to each other? Was it perhaps contaminated by proximity?

    I disagree with your point of view.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/25/2015 7:01:48 AM PDT · 42 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to UnwashedPeasant
    "There are certainly real Arab Christians in Israel, but there are many counterfeits."

    No doubt. Take care, then, not characterize them all according to a single negative stereotype.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/25/2015 6:59:59 AM PDT · 41 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to Alas Babylon!
    I suppose it matters why the Muslim parents want their children in the Christian school. If it's to eventually control them and make them Sharia compliant, then that's bad. But if they like the curriculum and value the quality of the education --- and can put up with the Christian environment with all its accoutrements (I notice the group picture was taken in a Church sanctuary--- icons and crosses abound) I wouldn't object. At least they're learning to accept nuns and priests as teachers; and before that, on a more basic level, Christians as human beings.
  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/25/2015 5:32:44 AM PDT · 39 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to UnwashedPeasant

    They themselves are both Chrisians and Semites.

  • Follow the Money: American Entity Funded Irish Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ Campaign

    05/24/2015 7:36:20 PM PDT · 43 of 45
    Mrs. Don-o to NKP_Vet
    I've been praying, Lord, save Ireland. Lord, save the Church. Lord, save the United States of America.

    We should be fasting, too.

  • Young American liberals are losing the ability to argue

    05/24/2015 7:29:58 PM PDT · 51 of 71
    Mrs. Don-o to cyclotic

    Feelz Before Realz!

  • Polish president concedes election defeat to conservative challenger

    05/24/2015 7:27:18 PM PDT · 13 of 34
    Mrs. Don-o to mac_truck

    Sto Lat!

  • GLOBAL WARMING? THE POPE IS WRONG

    05/24/2015 7:21:00 PM PDT · 10 of 41
    Mrs. Don-o to Dqban22

    +1

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 7:19:33 PM PDT · 32 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to SunkenCiv
    Interesting chart, and strange. Why the discrepancy between the amounts of funding for different faith-related schools? How do the educrats justify that? Some complicated formula?

    Of course, here in the USA the faith-related schools get zilch. When I was in parochial school, we didn't even get a subsidy for the busfare.

  • The Duggar Family Homeschooling Curriculum Deals With Sexual Abuse In Disturbing Manner

    05/24/2015 6:30:19 PM PDT · 78 of 87
    Mrs. Don-o to Yashcheritsiy

    That’s odd... an echo...

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 6:27:59 PM PDT · 73 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide

    I’ve been saying that for 2 years now :o)

  • The Duggar Family Homeschooling Curriculum Deals With Sexual Abuse In Disturbing Manner

    05/24/2015 5:58:27 PM PDT · 75 of 87
    Mrs. Don-o to Yashcheritsiy

    That doesn’t follow. I have a pre-packaged answer because the questions remain the same and the answer remains the same. The facts haven’t changed. The “problem” is that people don’t “hear” the first time and have to have the facts repeated for them.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 5:47:19 PM PDT · 69 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to BlatherNaut; ebb tide
    This whole thing is more than a tad bizarre. The interviewer (who is not identified --- only the translators are identified by name) says,

    La Nacion: "As a pope you are different because you speak with utmost clarity, you are completely straightforward, you don’t use euphemisms and don’t beat about the bush; the course of your papacy is extremely clear."

    La Nacion: Why do you think some sectors are disoriented, why do they say the ship is without a rudder, especially after the latest Extraordinary Synod of Bishops on the challenges posed by the family?

    Pope Francis: Those expressions strike me as odd. I am not aware of anybody using them.

    Pope Francis: Look, I wrote an encyclical—true enough, it was by four hands [with Benedict XVI]—and an apostolic exhortation. I’m constantly making statements, giving homilies. That’s magisterium. That’s what I think, not what the media say that I think. Check it out; it’s very clear. “The Joy of the Gospel” is very clear.

    This section has him accepting the most risible flattery, and not only accepting, but serenely echoing it, making him sound almost thud-headedly un-self-aware.

    If my most recent RCIA students conflated homilies, statements, encyclicals and magisterium like that, I'd say they weren't grasping the basic idea of gradations in authority. The Holy Father talks too loosely and too much.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 5:08:12 PM PDT · 28 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to jjotto

    LOL! What I described at #25 is not the USA! It was my idea of a free country!

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 5:06:14 PM PDT · 67 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to BlatherNaut; ebb tide

    Sorry — I hadn’t read yours, which had the America link. I’ll have to go back and look at that.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 5:03:44 PM PDT · 66 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide; BlatherNaut

    I used my search function and could not find that quote in the article. Could you link it to source, please?

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 4:59:39 PM PDT · 26 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to Alas Babylon!

    Why?

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 4:55:56 PM PDT · 25 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to jjotto
    If you're for compulsory schooling but against public funding, why not abolish both public funding and public schools? Put the schools --- all of them --- on the free market, and abolish education taxes.

    Or, as a kind of hybrid measure, there's vouchers, As I suggested elsewhere #15, that would be equal funding for all, parental choice for all, free market competition leading to schools more exactly matching the parents' preferences.

    Or, to be more radical: abolish compulsory schooling AND the associated taxes altogether, and let the parents pay out of pocket for whatever kind of education (school or non-school) they want for their kids.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 4:46:44 PM PDT · 23 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to rmlew; Petrosius
    "I don't think you understand Israel. They have budget issues."

    Explain to me how this makes sense.

    Right now the parents whose 30,000 children are attending Catholic schools, pay 3x for their education: tuition + fees + taxes as well. Now the Israeli Ministry of Education wants to LIMIT the amount of fees they can charge to parents. You'd think that if they were concerned about "budget issues," they'd want the Christian schools to collect MORE fees from the parents, and use less tax money.

    And then they offer as an alternative, that these should all become public schools--- which means the taxes would be paying, not just some fraction of the cost, but 100% of the cost.

    Obviously, his would cost the taxpayers a whole heckuva lot more.

    It doesn't look like the solution to a budget problem to me. It looks like a state takeover agenda.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 4:30:03 PM PDT · 20 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to UnwashedPeasant

    And you put “Christians” in scare quotes? Do you mean to suggest they are not Christians?

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 4:29:04 PM PDT · 18 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to UnwashedPeasant
    ""Most of these schools began operating years before the State of Israel was established." -- It suggests that Jews have a secondary claim...

    I don't see where it suggest that at all. There's nothing there about Jews being "secondary."

    Without evidence, your comment seems to be an example of eisegesis. If you want to try again, I am always willing to look at evidence.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 4:25:11 PM PDT · 16 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to rmlew
    This was a report on a demonstration organized by the Catholic Schools. Naturally they reported on the concerns of the Catholics. In no way did that they imply that this wasn't also affecting Muslims, non-Orthodox Jews, and others as well.

    You're assuming "persecution complex" for no sufficient reason.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 4:20:30 PM PDT · 15 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to ml/nj

    I’m wondering whether some sort of voucher system would work. All parents get, oh, say, $10,000 per year per child, to be spent on tuition and fees. They can spend it wherever they want. Public subsidy, parental choice, free market.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 4:12:56 PM PDT · 12 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o to Eric Blair 2084

    Exactly.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 4:11:23 PM PDT · 61 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to BlatherNaut; ebb tide
    "...the very fact that his activities supposedly require such complex interpretation and explanation is itself an indictment..."

    It certainly is not. This has been a necessary consideration from the early centuries of the papacy, and certainly even more so in the past 20 years as digital communication has put practically every word of the Pope before the eyes of every Catholic and, of course, non-Catholics as well.

    It is simply not true--- and never has been true --- that every word from the mouth of the Pope (or every sentence from his text program) comprises Catholic Doctrine. The Holy See itself lists a number of categories of Papal documents (FOUND HERE), with different levels of authority:

    Motu Proprio

    Apostolic Constitution Encyclical

    Apostolic Letter

    Apostolic Exhortation

    Common Declaration

    Homily

    Audience

    Discourse

    Message

    but even these categories don't begin to account for distinctions within each kind of document.

    Pope Benedict XVI was, I think, the first pope to write and publish books during his pontificate which were non-Magisterial. In the preface of "Jesus of Nazareth: from the Baptism in the Jordan to the Transfiguration" he wrote:

    “It goes without saying that this book is in no way an exercise of the magisterium, but is solely an expression of my personal search ‘for the face of the Lord’ (cf. Ps 27:8). Everyone is free, then, to contradict me. I would only ask my readers for that initial goodwill without which there can be no understanding.”

    You can wish that no pope should ever say or write anything sub-Magisterial ("prudential judgment" or "theological opinion") but that has never been, and I daresay will never be, the case.

    It's no use to swing back and forth between two false extremes, papal maximalism ("He's an all-purpose oracle") and papal minimalism ("He's just a guy with an opinion.")

    There's a of of gradations in between.

    I wish more people were aware of that.

  • Unprecedented Demonstration in Jerusalem of Christian Schools

    05/24/2015 3:01:45 PM PDT · 1 of 49
    Mrs. Don-o
    I don't know much about it, but according to Fr. Fahim Abdelmaseh, OFM, it looks like the Israel Ministry of Education is trying to take educational facilities away from parishes, monasteries, etc. and turn them into public schools.

    Real school choice is an important mark of a free society. I want to keep an eye on this.

  • Gay marriage will split the Catholic Church

    05/24/2015 12:18:25 PM PDT · 19 of 69
    Mrs. Don-o to Jeff Chandler; Amendment10
    Well, there is a distinction to be made between "empty traditions" and "Sacred Tradition." For instance, one of the most important things we all have (I mean, all Christians have) from Tradition, is the Bible, and the Canon of the Bible in particular.

    Ponder what St. Paul means when he says,

    1 Corinthians 11:2
    "I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you."

    And -- tagline ---

  • Gay marriage will split the Catholic Church

    05/24/2015 12:08:10 PM PDT · 16 of 69
    Mrs. Don-o to Amendment10
    "The misguided Catholic Church is mixing the good news of Jesus with the empty traditions of men."

    This would be true with the addition of s few little words:

    "The misguided in theCatholic Church are mixing the good news of Jesus with the empty traditions of men."

    In other words, the misguided in the Church (or in any denomination) mix the Good News and empty traditions; however, the faithful in the Church do not.

    Do you see what I'm getting at?

  • Gay marriage will split the Catholic Church

    05/24/2015 12:03:46 PM PDT · 14 of 69
    Mrs. Don-o to PoloSec; NRx
    "The Catholic Church has always been open to being split as are the protestant denominations, it calls to question for me what foundation are they really built upon."

    I 'd liketo comment on this, but I'm not sure quite what yuou mean by it. So I'd liket o give you a chance to explain.

    What do you mean by "has always been open to being split"? Do you mean it has always been possible to split from the Catholic Church, i.e. there is no way to stop people walking out, they will walk out if they want to"?

    Or do you mean "The Catholic Church's response to internal splits is just to go on tolerating them, i.e. you can deviate on any point of faith and morals you want to, and still be a member of a parish, receive the Sacraments and call youself a Catholic"?

    Or do you mean something else?

    Thanks for any clarification.

  • The Duggar Family Homeschooling Curriculum Deals With Sexual Abuse In Disturbing Manner

    05/24/2015 11:23:46 AM PDT · 28 of 87
    Mrs. Don-o to Yashcheritsiy; Morgana
    "Them and like half the Catholic priests out there!"

    The total amount of pedophilia + ephebophilia in the Catholic Clergy amounts to less than 2 percent — comparable to the rate among married men. This was the research finding of Pennsylvania State University Prof. Philip Jenkins, eminent religion and history scholar (and a non-Catholic ) who’s studied the church’s abuse problems for 20 years.

    Jenkins said there has been no formal study comparing denominations for rates of child abuse. However, insurers have been assessing the risks since they began offering riders on liability policies in the 1980s. Two of the largest insurers report no higher risks in covering Catholic churches than Protestant denominations (Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests).

    Let me make a point about media distortion: you may be aware that a recent survey showed that most Americans wrongly "guestimate" that the percentage of homosexual/lesbians in the population is 20%, when really it's more like >2%. That's because of highly biased media coverage of (or even, fabrications of) gay-theme stories, whether on the news or in entertainment (TV dramas and sitcoms, etc.) Similarly, you seem to think that the percentage of priest-molesters is around 50%, when actually it' less than 2%, comparable to that of married men.

    This may be related to some people's motivation in tirelessly trumpeting every allegation, proven or unproven, made about Catholic clergy, while maintaining a tight-lipped silence about every other category of clergy offender, or even professions which have a far, far higher rate of abuse, including athletic coaches, recreation directors, youth counselors, and public school teachers.

  • Ireland `changed utterly` by gay marriage vote [Traditional Catholic teaching rejected]

    05/24/2015 10:25:55 AM PDT · 39 of 50
    Mrs. Don-o to mcshot
    "Thank God queers do not reproduce anything that resides outside a septic tank."

    That is, unless the Irish National Health Service (HSE.ie) can compel ob/gyn facilities to provide them with artificial reproductive technologies (artificial insemination, IVF, etc.)

    On the other hand, they mainly reproduce by recruiting. And they've got the schools now --- all the schools.

  • Ireland `changed utterly` by gay marriage vote [Traditional Catholic teaching rejected]

    05/24/2015 10:21:54 AM PDT · 38 of 50
    Mrs. Don-o to babygene; johniegrad
    "We can’t even be sure the pope doesn’t support it...

    I think we can be pretty sure of that, babygene.

    If Pope Francis is "evolving," he's evolving in the direction of "Let's be more vocal in defending traditional Catholic faith and morals."

    Do look at the evidence.

    Vaticanista Sandro Magister, writing for the Italian L’Espresso magazine, notes that since the extraordinary synod last October, Pope Francis has spoken out on questions like abortion, divorce, homosexuality, and contraception 40 times -- 40 times -- “without swerving a millimetre from the strict teaching of his predecessors Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI.” And, adds Magister, Francis has said “not a single word in support of the innovators” who want to “soften” doctrine or pastoral practice on these issues.

    And --- the gay agenda specifically?

    "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; this is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

    That's Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio --- now Pope Francis ---opposing a “gay marriage” bill in Argentina. Has he evolved away from that?

    “The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage. These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation.”

    That's Pope Francis supporting the referendum in Slovakia (Feb 2015) which aimed to:

    • define marriage as a union of one man and one woman;
    • ban same-sex registered partnerships.
    • require that adoptive parents be married to provide a stable father-and-mother headed family for the adopted children;
    • establish a parental opt-out to get their children out of from school classes dealing in sex education and euthanasia.

    Don't anybody think I'm saying that Pope Francis, or any pope, is above criticism.

    I'm just saying: Consider all the evidence before you reach a verdict, and then --- judge justly.

  • Ireland `changed utterly` by gay marriage vote [Traditional Catholic teaching rejected]

    05/24/2015 10:12:40 AM PDT · 36 of 50
    Mrs. Don-o to babygene; mikec256
    Of course they have devolved. Romans 1:32 says that God condemns not only those who commit acts of sexual vice, but also those who "approve of those who practice them."

    In the short run, this means the utter illegalization and destruction of the Catholic institutional existence in Ireland. Prime Minister (Taoiseach) Enda Kenney has already proclaimed that the Catholic school much teach gay marriage or be shut down. So if they "teach" it, they are no longer Catholic schools; and if they are shut down, there will be no Catholic schools.

    Moreover all Catholic health providers will have to offer reproductive technologies to homosexuals (insemination, IVF, etc) or be shut down.

    Mere speech or writing against homosexuality may be defined as "hate speech" and be shut down.

    Finis.

    Enda Kenny and his successors may turn out to be worse for the Catholics than Cromwell, who merely killed them but did not try to corrupt them.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 9:18:54 AM PDT · 57 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide; BlatherNaut
    "...Ravasi, president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, has stated that Francis is the “recipient and bearer of revelation”. --- That puts him right up there with his fellow omniscient pals, Ban Ki-moon, Jeffrey Sachs and Hussein Obama."

    You are making the error of identifying "recipient and bearer of revelation" with "omniscience," which is a false synonymy.

    Of all the living creatures we know, humanity alone, created in His image and endowed with free will, has been singled out to be the recipient and bearer of Revelation.

    To a higher degree, every Christian is a "recipient and bearer of revelation" by virtue of his Baptism and thus his participation in Jesus' threefold mission as "priest, prophet and king."

    To an extraordinary degree the Holy Father is "recipient and bearer of revelation", by virtue of his office as the Successor of Peter, possessing these gifts in a magisterial way as bearer of the Keys and as Chief Shepherd of Christ's flock on earth.

    This does not mean we all possess "omniscience," as you so laughable said, nor even "infallibility" in the ecclesial sense.

    Once again, it is you who have ironically imputed these qualities to Ban Kai-moon, Jeffrey Sachs and Barack Obama. Ravasi didn't say that. It's you who have done so, turning a commonplace of Christian theology into a farce.

    Some advice for all of us: we ought to carefully expound on exactly what is

    • mere papal opinion ("theologoumenon"), or
    • prudential judgment, or
    • an authoritative part of the Ordinary Magisterium, or
    • strictly speaking, a de fide infallible declaration

    and assist our Catholic and non-Catholic brothers and sisters in distinguishing each of these levels of authority from the others.

    That would involve real work. But, unlike the ceaseless knee-jerk carping, it would actually be useful.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 8:06:28 AM PDT · 54 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide
    "Two can play your game. Since it was a private meeting you don't know whether Francis is confused, deluded, or has a conscious agenda of lying."

    Ah, but here's the difference. As a matter of ordinary fairness, one gives anyone the benefit of the doubt when their actual words or actions are unknown; and this rises from the level of "ordinary fairness" to the level of "filial obligation" when one is talking about the unknown words of the Vicar of Christ. And as a matter of justice, one cannot impute a bad act or a bad intention to another person in a doubtful case. That is, objectively, the sin of rash judgment or even calumny.

    Don't you get that? It is ordinary fairness, charity and respect to make the assumption that, in matters where the facts are unknown, the person is innocent. Heck, ebb tide, that's even the assumption in civil law. And to tacitly assume bad actions or intentions when the facts are unknown, is objectively a sin against the Eighth Commandment.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 7:50:52 AM PDT · 53 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide
    "Does he [Pope Francis] think the Blessed Mother ignored Simeon’s prophecy?"

    Ebb, this makes no sense. You're once again conflating a feeling or temptation with a deliberate act (Mary "ignoring" Simeon) and then suggesting that it's Pope Francis who insinuated that very thing, which he did not.

    Don't you see what you're doing? You're sinking into a mode of chronic, carping detraction. You might as well be Dr. Thorn-in-the-side, a committed anti-papist, by imputing evil to every single thing the Pope says. And you're failing to show one scintilla of filial respect for the Pope, which is required of you by your profession of Faith.

    "Filial respect" does not mean that one is required to hold the Pope above all question and criticism. It does mean that one does so in a markedly respectful ---markedly respectful--- manner, in the manner that St. Catherine had with Pope Gregory XI, or (even more to the point), in the manner of Cardinal Burke when weighing the official acts and omissions of Pope Francis.

    Cardinal Burke has been quite frank in stating that the Church needs a firm hand on the tiller, which She has not received from the present pontiff. And yet he has never, never, imputed base motives to Pope Francis, speculated publicly on his spiritual state, crafted rhetorical indictments against him, or in any way shown anything other than reverence for him as the Successor of Peter.

    This linked article (Link here) is a good example of Burke's filial attitude.

    I urge you to consider that "The Accuser," Satan, can use intemperate criticism of the Pope as a crowbar to split and wreck the Church. I ask you to consider who is a better model for us in our present struggle: the truthful son of the Church, Burke, or the fomenter of bitterness who is called "The Accuser," who is the true Enemy of Souls.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/24/2015 6:59:37 AM PDT · 51 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide; BlatherNaut; don-o
    To have a "feeling" or be "tempted" --- amounts to just that: a feeling, a temptation. There is no record that Mary ever cooperated with such temptations. The Holy Father does not make this accusation. He says she could be assailed by temptations, as even Christ could be tempted.

    Didn't Our Lord suffer fear, dread, anguish in the Garden? Or, no, did He just go frolicking into the Crucifixion...?

    And didn't He say, "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me...?"

    Those are the first words of a Messianic hymn, Psalm 22, unusual for the intensity of its feeling of having been abandoned by God Who is "far from my cry for help." The Psalm ends in a vision of future triumph; yet neither the Psalmist nor Jesus shies back from expressing the very depth of the temptation to despair, an abject sense of being deserted by God in one's hour of need.

    If Mary felt these emotions, she did so right smack dab in the middle of the prophetic and messianic traditions of the Faith.

    If you think the Pope was imputing sin to her, you are very much mistaken.

  • How Politicians From Hillary Clinton To David Cameron Reacted To Ireland's Same-Sex Marriage Vote

    05/24/2015 4:25:30 AM PDT · 28 of 30
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide
    "...with your selective, and questionable, quotations..."

    LOL! All quotations are "selective," in the sense that they are generally one or two lines, as opposed to 30 or 40 pages. The question is whether they are fairly or unfairly selective: that is, whether the quotation reasonably representes the gist of what the speaker or writer was trying to say. I think my quotations are fair and representative.

    As for "questionable," you haven't made it plain whether you mean "I question whether these are really quotes," or "I question what they mean." As to the first, yes, they are really quotes: I don't write "pope fiction." As to the second: that's what this conversation is inevitably all about: your questionable quotes vs my questionable quotes. That's not an accusation: that's, unavoidably, the topic of the discussion.

    "...all at the expense of a good priest's name."

    Explain this. You will notice I wrote words of sincere respect for Fr. Linus Clovis, if that's who you are referring to, and I don't think I mentioned any other priests. So what are you talking about?

    "Are you related to Michael Voris?"

    Yes.

    Same way I'm related to you: he is my brother in Christ. You are, too.

    Let's try to keep that in mind.

  • How Politicians From Hillary Clinton To David Cameron Reacted To Ireland's Same-Sex Marriage Vote

    05/23/2015 6:11:54 PM PDT · 23 of 30
    Mrs. Don-o to Gator113; Captain Peter Blood
    "You might want to check to see what Pope Francis now has to say about this perversion, etc.... seems he is ‘evolving’."

    If Pope Francis is "evolving," he's evolving in the direction of "Let's be more vocal in defending traditional Catholic faith and morals."

    Do look at the evidence.

    Vaticanista Sandro Magister, writing for the Italian L’Espresso magazine, notes that since the extraordinary synod last October, Pope Francis has spoken out on questions like abortion, divorce, homosexuality, and contraception 40 times -- 40 times -- “without swerving a millimetre from the strict teaching of his predecessors Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI.” And, adds Magister, Francis has said “not a single word in support of the innovators” who want to “soften” doctrine or pastoral practice on these issues.

    And --- the gay agenda?

    "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; this is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

    That's Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio --- now Pope Francis ---opposing a “gay marriage” bill in Argentina. Has he evolved away from that?

    “The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage. These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation.”

    That's Pope Francis supporting a referendum in Slovakia which aimed to:

    • define marriage as a union of one man and one woman;
    • ban same-sex registered partnerships.
    • require that adoptive parents be married to
    • provide a stable father-and-mother headed family for the adopted children;
    • establish a parental opt-out to get their children out of from school classes dealing in sex education and euthanasia.

    Don't anybody think I'm saying that Pope Francis, or any pope, is above criticism.

    I'm just saying: Consider all the evidence before you reach a verdict, and then --- judge justly.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/23/2015 5:52:50 PM PDT · 36 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to BlatherNaut
    "Doesn't cancel out the bizarre, objectively heretical statements he has also made..."

    Rather mordantly, I must observe that Pope Francis rarely communicates anything in such an unambiguous way as to be formally heretical. In fact, that is his main problem, it seems to me: mushiness and equivocation. It's loose, off-the-cuff blather. It's damaging. It emboldens the wolves and perplexes the sheep. (I must interject for the dozenth time, "Oh, how I miss Benedict!")

    But clear-cut heresy? -- It would almost be a relief if something he said WERE so clearly that it could not be shuffled back into the deck with "I didn't mean it that way!"

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/23/2015 5:45:01 PM PDT · 35 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide
    "But never before did a pope give an open floor for such to be discussed at the highest level, under his authority, as being worthy of consideration."

    At all of the first seven Ecumenical Councils, all of the essentials of basic Christology were debated. God? Man? Angel? Incarante? And Arianism was debated and condemned, only to keep being brought up and keep being condemned, over and over. Do not imagine that all the Councils and Synods debated was wallpaper designs, prior to August 2014.

  • The ‘Francis effect’ is silencing Catholic bishops, priests, and laity [Catholic Caucus]

    05/23/2015 4:28:34 PM PDT · 31 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide
    "...until Francis grows a spine and threatens to excommunicate them."

    Oremus.