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  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/31/2016 2:46:00 PM PDT · 268 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie

    My apologies -— please post an example for me to know what to avoid. I do try to keep arrogance to a minimum.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/31/2016 11:51:50 AM PDT · 260 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to BipolarBob
    "But Queen Mother and Queen of Heaven goes way beyond our paygrade to assign."

    True --- but she's not put in a position assigned by you or me. Assigned by God.

    "Last shall be first, and the first, last" is one of the really winsome and beautiful reasons it's so great that Mary, the handmaid of the Lord, is the woman with the crown of twelve stars (Rev. 21). She's the humblest of them all. It must please God's heart to raise up the lowly like this.

  • Jan Crouch, co-founder of Trinity Broadcasting Network, dies at 78

    05/31/2016 11:32:45 AM PDT · 21 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to mountn man

    And may the Lord free her from every trace of sin and sorrow, and mercifully extend to her His consolation.

  • Jan Crouch, co-founder of Trinity Broadcasting Network, dies at 78

    05/31/2016 11:30:26 AM PDT · 19 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to mountn man

    More’s the pity.

  • Jan Crouch, co-founder of Trinity Broadcasting Network, dies at 78

    05/31/2016 11:21:53 AM PDT · 10 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to Morgana
    I'd never heard of her. (You can see there are circles I don't run in.)

    However, I can offer one thought: poor lady. I feel sorry when older women on TV feel they need to look like female impersonators.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/31/2016 11:11:04 AM PDT · 258 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to BipolarBob
    The are different senses in which a person can be "queen." It could be purely arbitrary, like the Erie County Strawberry Queen; or an elected fun-title like Prom Queen. Or a perverse display like Drag Queen. Or a sarcastic epithet like Drama Queen. Or an hereditary sovereign with full monarchical power, like Queen Isabella of Castile y Leon. Or it could be an ornamental figurehead like Queen Elizabeth II.

    To say Mary is a Queen Mother is simply to state a contingent fact. Christ is King. Mary is His mother, Therefore Mary is a Queen Mother. That was my point. It's not some new dignity awarded to her by man, but a contingent relationship set up by God. You might want to reference Revelation 12.

    As for the Pope being, like Peter, (1)only a man (2)just like you are (3) (who) prevents Cornelius from giving him any undue homage -- this is not under dispute. All Catholics agree with this.

    Equality among believers though, is true in one sense, but not in another. It's like "All men are created equal" in the Declaration. True in the sense of everybody equally possessing fundamental human rights, e.g. the right to simply go on living. But not true in the sense of culture, character, or competence.

    St. Paul says all are equal because all are one, i.e. one in Christ. But in another place he says, (1 Corinthians 12:28-31):

    And God has placed in the church:
    first of all apostles,
    second prophets,
    third teachers,
    then miracles,
    then gifts of healing,
    of helping,
    of guidance, and
    of different kinds of tongues.

    Are all apostles?
    Are all prophets?
    Are all teachers?
    Do all work mighty deeds?
    Do all have gifts of healing?
    Do all speak in tongues?
    Do all interpret?
    Strive eagerly for the greatest spiritual gifts.

    So one could note that Peter was given the Power of the Keys, is listed first in the many listings of the Apostles in the NT, acts as spokesman for the other Apostles (E.g. Jesus asks them a question, Peter voices the answer), and is given the threefold Shepherd's role because Jesus takes him at his word when he says he loves Jesus "more than these".

    So Peter as a soul in an equal soul. But Peter has a role given to him by God, which gives him special prominence. It does not make him sinless. It does not make him error-free. It does make him the (flawed but genuine) leader, whose role --- after his stumble and his return to Christ --- is to "strengthen the brethren." (Luke 22:32)

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/31/2016 10:08:36 AM PDT · 256 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to BipolarBob

    A title? Is Christ the King? Is Mary his Mother? Q.E.D.!

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/31/2016 10:07:13 AM PDT · 255 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to WVKayaker; BlackElk
    "The statement that Protestant scholars agree with Catholic teachings is pure bunk! "

    Of course it is! When they agree with Catholic teachings, they become Catholics!

    But nobody said that "Protestant scholars agree with Catholic teachings" tout court. I suppose you're talking about what I said here:

    "None of this is disputed by Protestant Scripture scholars, who are well aware of the Bible’s broad semantic range of 'brother'."

    Re-reading this, I am sure you can see I was writing about "Protestant Scripture scholars" who do not "dispute" the "Bible's broad semantic range of 'brother'."

    My topic was not Protestant agreement with Catholic teachings, but Protestant awareness of Scriptural semantics.

    Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify that.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/31/2016 9:56:08 AM PDT · 253 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to maryz

    Thank you, my friend.

  • On the Need to Receive the Eucharist Worthily

    05/31/2016 9:42:23 AM PDT · 6 of 8
    Mrs. Don-o to vladimir998

    Eucharist. Thanks for this, vlad.

  • ISIS Surrenders in face of Climate Change Conference

    05/31/2016 9:37:28 AM PDT · 8,961 of 8,991
    Mrs. Don-o to Tax-chick
    Love that Eve Tushnet! Will. Not. See. That. Movie.

    Been long time since I've seen an arthropod I could approach on a level of empathy.

    Now, cephalopods, that's a different story.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/31/2016 9:27:42 AM PDT · 251 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to WVKayaker; BlackElk; don-o
    WVKayaker, I very intentionally chose my words carefully so that I did *NOT* call you a liar. Why? Because that would imply moral fault. I merely said you repeated "untruths," because a person can pass on untruths innocently, if he or she believed them to be true and if he or she has been reasonably moral diligent in researching what is true and what is false.

    I would not willingly insult you. I respect you too much for that.

    Now, as to the untruth. If "worship" is equated with "adoration," and "adoration" means "the rendering of honor which is due to God alone" then no, Catholics do not "worship" Mary.

    The difficulties you experience with the quotes you referenced (and there are many more) can be attributed, I think, to some combination of the following factors:

    1. Christ associates us in His saving work. None of us have sufficiently considered the many ways in which Christ associates all of us --- not just Mary --- in His great work of salvation. Christ, Whose work is completed and all-sufficient, nevertheless graciously invites our participation, yes, even to experiencing His suffering and His Passion, not only in its painful aspect but also in its meaningful, efficacious and saving aspect. This is so frequently reiterated in Scripture I feel sure that examples will instantly present themselves to your mind.

    2. Ours is a non-courtly culture. As 21st century Americans, none of us are entirely at home with the courtly language that permeates both Scripture and the vast body of devotional literature which was developed in a more courtly age.

      For instance, as American individualists, we don't appreciate hierarchies --- and by this I mean, persons arrayed in ranks and orders--- even though Heaven is portrayed by St. John in courtly and hierarchical imagery, even to the distinct and ordered choirs of the heavenly host! So those who hate courtliness with its ordered, ascending levels of dignity (elders with thrones and crowns, Angels, Archangels, Cherubim and Seraphim, etc. etc.) and Mary Queen Mother, will hate heaven.

      But no, I don't think you'll hate heaven. I think you'll see all this in joyful wonder, and rejoice that Christ is all in all.

    3. The courtly and romantic genre of devotional language. This is an aspect of the above, but requires extra attention. It is a constitutive element of courtly language, that (1) the honor given to any member of the court, pertains to the sovereign, and (2) the emotionally outre is expected, since the fervent panegyric of the courtier is not the language of the legislator, the diplomat or the scholar.

      This is true to a high degree in the devotional poetry of Christendom through the millennia, but it's even true of secular literature. You can find it in Elizabethan-era odes to the Queen, Spencerian and even Puritan (!!) poetry. (Anne Bradstreet and John Milton, for example.) Those who have ears to hear, I direct to this link on courtly language, which explains just the merest tad of what I'm talking about.

      Going back to historic Christian ways of thinking about this, it's related to Basil: "The honor given to the icon is transferred (Siapaivei) to the prototype." A painting, for instance, is an icon of Mary. Mary herself is an icon of God (an image) to a wonderful degree, since she is a human being (created in the image and likeness of God) who has been freed by her Savior from all sin. Thus she --- hailed by a messenger from Heaven as"Kecharitomene", most highly favored, full of grace --- is an unclouded icon, as we all shall be when we are utterly freed from sin.

      Bottom line: all honor given to Mary, the patriarchs, the prophets, the martyrs, confessors and virgins, holy men and women or any other persons, places or things which are images of God, is given to God, Who Alone is Holy and Who has made all things, each to reflect a beam of His glory.

    4. Private RevelationSometimes people just confuse "private revelation" with Catholic doctrines, when nobody has to believe Private Revelation, not even the person to whom it is purportedly given.

    This barely skims the surface. I always rejoice to see people who show they have tried to learn, to study, to understand, and to appreciate. We do not adore some demigoddess. We will say for eternity in Heaven what we say in every Mass:

    "Glory to God in the Highest!
    For you alone are the Holy One
    You alone are the Lord.
    You alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ,
    With the Holy Spirit,
    In he Glory of God the Father."

    "Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All."

    BTW, WVKayacker, let me benefit from your expertise. Could you suggest any Protestant scholars who have written on the significance of feminine types in the Psalms, the Proverbs, the Prophets, and the historical books of the OT? That would be of great interest to me.

  • Parents-of-four whose son fell into zoo enclosure sparking killing of Harambe the gorilla

    05/31/2016 8:06:26 AM PDT · 19 of 54
    Mrs. Don-o to traumer
    The parents:

    Sure am glad the race thing turned out as it did, since that eliminated the racism factor, or something.

    This country is getting so strange.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/31/2016 5:06:55 AM PDT · 246 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    Well, "cousin" wouldn't quite cut it because, according to the relevant Scripture usages, it could be half-siblings, cousins, nephew-uncle, fellow-Jews, or fellow-believers in Christ.

    The closest in English might be "close kinsmen."

    Even better would be "brothers," with a footnote explaining usage.

    Your tone, by the way, is belligerent. Tone it down a bit, maybe?

    Brother?

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 12:20:05 PM PDT · 241 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie

    Fair enough, Elsie. Perhaps you’d like to consider a third or fourth possibility?

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 11:50:05 AM PDT · 239 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    Your answer doesn't address the question. Why doesn't Mary simply accept without surprise what would otherwise be obvious, that the upcoming pregnancy is going to be by the man she's already legally married to?
  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 11:47:54 AM PDT · 236 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    You want to deny that my examples came from the Bible? Would you like me to supply chapter-and-verse?

    And to say "Roman" ignores the fact that a couple dozen other churches have perceived and recognized this same Mary/church symbolism. For the past 2,000 years of unbroken history. And these Christians have always comprised, and still comprise, the majority of Christians on earth.

    The puzzlement, then, is why some of the more recent minority Christian newcomers don't get it.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 11:42:46 AM PDT · 232 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    Since neither of us saw the ketubah....

    Then you have to go by other reasonable evidence. I submit that when Hannah, Sarah, and Samson's Mom were told of their upcoming miraculous pregnancies, they all assumed that it was by their respective husbands that they'd get pregnant.

    Mary doesn't assume that.

    She's like that hypothetical bride-to-be at the bridal shower saying, astonished, "Babies? But how shall this be, since I know not man?" Either this bride-to-be doesn't know that the usual baby-making union with the husband is usually expected of the usual wife, OR --- the only other possibility --- she in no way expects to the the usual wife. There must be a reason why.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 10:46:07 AM PDT · 224 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to BipolarBob
    "I've experienced marriage for one and the surprise Mary expresses about being pregnant when she knew not man."

    Now I'm surprised. You had a virginal pregnancy in your family?

    "Do Catholics have some sort of tradition or document about the marriage agreement between two specific people two thousand years ago?"

    Not at all. But *you're* the one who said that if Mary did not have sexual intercourse with Joseph, she would "breach the marriage contract that both had consented to at the beginning. Unless Mary wanted to breach said contract but that would be a sin." You imply you know what was in Mary and Joseph's contract. Did you see it? I doubt it.

    "...your words sound pretty crass about "the Ark delivered the goods."...
    You made the Ark analogy, not me.
    " It's not the Ark analogy that's crass, it's the idea, stated by you, that after she was of no use as "Ark," she had no special reason to remain faithful to her Bridal relationship with the Holy Spirit, which we know from Scripture to be a lasting one (Rev. 22:17)- "The Spirit and the Bride say, come." In this passage, the image is both of the Spirit's actual Bride, Mary, the one Our Lord the Holy Spirit overshadowed and impregnated; and also of the Church, because in so many, many instances Mary is the type and image of the Church.

    Mary/Church and Church/Mary appears over and over again in the overlapping language of Biblical symbolism. They are the personal and the corporate image of those united to God by faith.

    So the "crass" thing is not the analogy between Mary and the Ark of the Covenant. The crass thing is suggesting that once Mary gave birth, she had "delivered the Goods' and was no longer Daughter of the Covenant, Bride of the Spirit, Mother of the Messiah King. (All of which is Scriptural.) In this crass supposition, she could be tossed back like a "surrogate" who completed her contract. As if God would say --- and this is blasphemous --- "I got in there first and got what I wanted, Joseph, now you can have her.") Caling Mary a "demi-Goddess" shows an ignorance of the glorious nature of the "Great Things" which "God who is Mighty" had done for her. Mary is the humble one. Mary is a handmaid. Mary's spirit exults in God her Savior. This is the most beautiful glimpse we get, of how God exalts the humble.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 10:34:50 AM PDT · 223 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to BipolarBob
    "I've experienced marriage for one and the surprise Mary expresses about being pregnant when she knew not man."

    Now I'm surprised. You had a virginal pregnancy in your family?

    "Do Catholics have some sort of tradition or document about the marriage agreement between two specific people two thousand years ago?"

    Not at all. But *you're* the one who said that if Mary did not have sexual intercourse with Joseph, she would "breach the marriage contract that both had consented to at the beginning. Unless Mary wanted to breach said contract but that would be a sin." You imply you know what was in Mary and Joseph's contract. Did you see it? I doubt it.

    "...your words sound pretty crass about "the Ark delivered the goods."...
    You made the Ark analogy, not me.
    " It's not the Ark analogy that's crass, it's the idea, stated by you, that after she was of no use as "Ark," she had no special reason to remain faithful to her Bridal relationship with the Holy Spirit, which we know from Scripture to be a lasting one (Rev. 22:17)- "The Spirit and the Bride say, come." In this passage, the image is both of the Spirit's actual Bride, Mary, the one Our Lord the Holy Spirit overshadowed and impregnated; and also of the Church, because in so many, many instances Mary is the type and image of the Church.

    Mary/Church and Church/Mary appears over and over again in the overlapping language of Biblical symbolism. They are the personal and the corporate image of those united to God by faith.

    So the "crass" thing is not the analogy between Mary and the Ark of the Covenant. The crass thing is suggesting that once Mary gave birth, she had "delivered the Goods' and was no longer Daughter of the Covenant, Bride of the Spirit, Mother of the Messiah King. (All of which is Scriptural.) In this crass supposition, she could be tossed back like a "surrogate" who completed her contract. As if God would say --- and this is blasphemous --- "I got in there first and got what I wanted, Joseph, now you can have her.") Caling Mary a "demi-Goddess" shows an ignorance of the glorious nature of the "Great Things" which "God who is Mighty" had done for her. Mary is the humble one. Mary is a handmaid. Mary's spirit exults in God her Savior. This is the most beautiful glimpse we get, of how God exalts the humble.

  • Netherlands gives green light for growing human embryos

    05/30/2016 10:07:41 AM PDT · 3 of 6
    Mrs. Don-o to Lorianne

    Growing small humans to be unconsenting experimental subjects for testing fatal procedures. Sorry to break the “big N” rule of public discourse, but that’s the kind of thing that gave Nazism a bad name.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 8:33:42 AM PDT · 222 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to WVKayaker
    My whole argument is Scriptural.

    Plus, you tell untruths. You say that Catholics worship May, and this is an old, old slander from the author of all slander. It is not true, and you should not repeat it.

    There are many instances in Scripture which illustrate that the Biblical use of "brothers" and "sisters" doesn't necessarily mean full siblings from the same mother and father: the terms are used for near kin.

    Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:

    “So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8 also 14:12).

    Although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!

    These “brothers” are never once called the children of Mary, although Jesus himself is (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).

    None of this is disputed by Protestant Scripture scholars, who are well aware of the Bible’s broad semantic range of "brother".

    In context, the most likely scenario is that Joseph, a widower, had other children from a previous marriage, and that there was a cohort of cousins as well, who would have been called Jesus' brothers and sisters.

  • Cardinal Caffarra: Pope Cannot Change Doctrine in a Footnote

    05/30/2016 7:42:22 AM PDT · 4 of 5
    Mrs. Don-o to marshmallow

    +1

  • Remember! On Memorial Day

    05/30/2016 7:36:59 AM PDT · 7 of 13
    Mrs. Don-o to bgill

    Made me cry.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 7:26:51 AM PDT · 219 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to BipolarBob
    First, how do you know what had been agreed between Mary and Joseph beforehand, what was in their ketubah?

    Second, your words sound pretty crass about "the Ark delivered the goods." Mary was not just, in a physical sense, a "reproductive unit," a procreative utility to be picked up, used, and dropped, a kind of rented womb. She was the Daughter of the Covenant, Bride of the Spirit, Mother of the King. She personified Covenanted Israel bringing forth the Messiah, and with a personal, intimate, and permanent covenant relationship with the Him. Even before she conceived Him, she was Kecharitomene, an incomparable vessel of blessing.

    As Jesus said --- rejecting mere biological reductionism--- "Don't just say 'Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that nursed you." Rather, "Blessed they who hear the word of God, and kept it." Mary, par excellence, heard the Word of God and kept it.

    Do you think God would have thrown this Covenant Daughter, this Bride of the Spirit, this Queen Mother, back to Joseph, like "Here, I got what I wanted, now you can have her"?

    Impossible. Unthinkable.

  • Children of married parents have highest self-esteem, says new research

    05/30/2016 7:14:03 AM PDT · 21 of 35
    Mrs. Don-o to kearnyirish2
    In Daniel Patrick Moynihan's day, the illegitimacy (non-marital childbearing) rate in the African American community was one-out-of-four, which Mloynihan called unprecedented, pathological, disastrous, all of which were true.

    Now it's one-out-of-four in the white community; Latinos two-out-of-three, Blacks, three-out-of-four.

    What was disastrous then, is, today, catastrophic.

  • Why do Indian-Americans win spelling bee contests?

    05/30/2016 5:27:12 AM PDT · 46 of 136
    Mrs. Don-o to C19fan
    Bingo. Culturally, the Jews and Asians value parental authority, family cohesion, serious study. And it shows: they excel in any field they choose.

    Culture, culture, culture.

  • Why do Indian-Americans win spelling bee contests?

    05/30/2016 5:24:02 AM PDT · 44 of 136
    Mrs. Don-o to Theodore R.
    Any and every test focuses on the more arcane information.

    I think it's "sour grapes" to discount these Spelling and Geography Bees because they do what all competitions do: concentrate on higher and rarer levels of mastery of a body of specialized knowledge.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/30/2016 5:14:00 AM PDT · 217 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    You think a consecrated virgin is an unresponsive, frigid wife?

    You think Joseph importuned this consecrated virgin for sex when she was the human equivalent of the Ark of the Covenant --- overswhadowed and imregnated by the power of the Holy Spirit --- the Kecharitomene--- the dwelling place of the Almighty --- and even moreso, she was his mother?

    You think he would dare approach her that way? No. He was a reverent man. A good man A pious Jew. A mensch. A Tzadik.

    You are very much mistaken.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 9:12:28 PM PDT · 214 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie

    You still haven’t explained your point, but I’ll let it drop. Sometimes you confuse me, rather.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 9:11:30 PM PDT · 213 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    Deja vu all over again. I asked you!

    It's always an unsettling sign when someone in a Christian discussion gets obliquely compared to a diabolically lying, mass murdering Nazi fiend. That's not the way to argue, Elsie.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 9:08:29 PM PDT · 212 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    So he's supposed to be a guardian for this virgin, and she turns up pregnant? Wouldn't you think this would offend his sense of propriety? Isn't it a tribute to his uprightness that he just says, "She's obviously going her own way. OK, she goes on with her life, and I'll go on with mine. No need to punish her, I'll divorce her quietly."

    I could understand and respect that response. It's not til he realizes that the child is from God, that the way forward with Mary seems clear to him again.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 9:03:04 PM PDT · 211 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie

    No, why would “Olivia”-— or Mary -— say such a thing?

  • Op-Ed: The cradle of French Christianity is Islam’s Mecca

    05/29/2016 7:57:03 PM PDT · 14 of 15
    Mrs. Don-o to Eleutheria5

    Yikes.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 2:37:21 PM PDT · 205 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    Pretty good for somebody for whom the Lord has done great things.

    Wait til you're in heaven, and see what you'll be able to do! "Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor has it entered into the mind of man to imagine, what God has prepared for those who love Him."

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 2:34:31 PM PDT · 204 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    When I'm dumb, I don't have to *play* dumb.

    :o)

    So graciously tell me, what *was* your point?

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 2:33:06 PM PDT · 203 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie

    Really.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 2:32:39 PM PDT · 202 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    Elsie. Listen. A "generalization" has to rely on at least two instances. As a matter of definition you cannot generalize --- detect a recurring pattern --- from one instance.

    Sigh.

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 2:30:46 PM PDT · 201 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie

    Why are you injecting a bloody Nazi into this sacred history?

  • Is the Pope Catholic? - The Greatest Schism in Catholic Church History!

    05/29/2016 2:29:56 PM PDT · 200 of 269
    Mrs. Don-o to Elsie
    "How shall this happen to be, because I know not man" doesn't make any sense if she is a betrothed wife who expects to be having sexual relations with her husband.

    There were many wonder-pregnancies in the OT, as Mary would have known full well, because she was steeped in those stories. Hannah, Sarah, Samson's mother and the rest. And they were to understand that they would conceive by their husbands.

    Now, Mary had a husband (Joseph). Why would she be astonished to think she'd get pregnant? Why wouldn't her first thought be that it would be in the ordinary way with her husband?

    Now put your thinking cap on and think through this example. Say you're at a wedding shower and all the young women are talking excitedly about the upcoming wedding. They're looking at pictures, commenting in the cuteness of the happy couple, and one of the girls says, "Oh, Olivia, you are going to have such gorgeous children!"

    And Olivia says, astonished and perplexed, "But how shall this happen to me, because I know not man?"

    ???

    Huh?

    Seriously?

    That makes no sense.

    Reasonably, once you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is the true explanation. Either this gal, betrothed wife of Mr. Right, doesn't know where babies come from (impossible!), or --- this is so improbable, but --- isn't she planning on having sexual relations with him?

    As for Joseph divorcing Mary quietly, that doesn't serve as a counter-argument. That doesn't imply anything, except that he's perplexed: is he supposed to be the guardian of her bastard children as well? But he was kind and did not want her exposed to a public shaming. As it was, as soon as the angel provided the explanation about the Divine origin of this Child, he took her into his home as planned, and it was for all the world to assume that the child was Joseph's.

  • Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors (trunc)

    05/29/2016 9:47:15 AM PDT · 54 of 70
    Mrs. Don-o to Tax-chick

    Me too, used to: now I guess I’ve gotten used to it.

  • Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors (trunc)

    05/29/2016 9:37:39 AM PDT · 52 of 70
    Mrs. Don-o to Tax-chick

    My secret? Coconut oil.

  • How the left revels in violating the 10 Commandments

    05/29/2016 7:33:37 AM PDT · 26 of 48
    Mrs. Don-o to Tax-chick

    I think you’re quite right. We suspend judgment, not because we are merciful, but because we have totally lost a sense of moral proportion.

  • ‘Hating Jesus’: Liberals Declare Spiritual Warfare

    05/29/2016 7:31:44 AM PDT · 4 of 22
    Mrs. Don-o to Kaslin

    +1

  • Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors (trunc)

    05/29/2016 7:26:09 AM PDT · 49 of 70
    Mrs. Don-o to Alas Babylon!
  • Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors (trunc)

    05/29/2016 4:41:57 AM PDT · 44 of 70
    Mrs. Don-o to Kolokotronis
    THanks. I knew you'd know!

    I'd been wondering whether this was a "Leo crowns Charlemagne" moment.

  • Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors (trunc)

    05/29/2016 4:38:24 AM PDT · 43 of 70
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide
    His shirt? What?

    I think Putin takes his shirt off for wrestling. But he was going to to engage with a patriarch, not a polar bear.

  • Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors (trunc)

    05/29/2016 4:34:24 AM PDT · 42 of 70
    Mrs. Don-o to VerySadAmerican
    Well, there's conversion.

    Pope Francis just got the Charlemagne Prize from the EU, but Putin seems --- "Seems," I say --- to be the one who deserves it: defender of Christians.

  • Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors (trunc)

    05/28/2016 5:05:20 PM PDT · 10 of 70
    Mrs. Don-o to Tax-chick
    This seems to be a machine translation.

    Translation by machine, seems to be this.

  • Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors (trunc)

    05/28/2016 4:36:08 PM PDT · 1 of 70
    Mrs. Don-o

    Obama cound'na done it, that's for sure.