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Posts by Mrs. Don-o

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    11/22/2014 5:37:49 PM PST · 20 of 21
    Mrs. Don-o to SierraWasp
    I do wonder whether he has a naive view of the media. The media people cetainly have their own agenda; and they certainly are not self-correcting. So if you help them out inadvertently with something ambiguous, something the least bit tentative or awkward, they will get their teeth into it and pull it into shreds in 5 directions, then sew it together in a different shape and make a headline out of it.

    Yes, I do think he's naive about his own communication problems. And that can do real damage.

  • Skydiver Has Visions of Afterlife Following Fiery Plane Crash

    11/22/2014 5:34:24 PM PST · 17 of 23
    Mrs. Don-o to NYer


  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/22/2014 5:26:28 PM PST · 49 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv

    Thnank you. I will certainly pray for you, piusv.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/22/2014 5:24:39 PM PST · 63 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Iscool
    " the Spirit of God revealed to John the apostle the mysteries of the book of Revelation...When that Revelation to John was finished, God's revelation to mankind was finished..."M/i>

    The Catholic Church believes this, too.

  • Planned Parenthood Supports President Obama's Executive Action on Immigration [truncated]

    11/22/2014 1:05:46 PM PST · 1 of 8
    Mrs. Don-o
    "States are provided the option to extend Medicaid/CHIP coverage or services to lawfully present immigrant pregnant women and youth -- but no others."

    Follow the money --- and there it is. Planned Barrenhood --- oops --- Banned Parenthood ---- oopsx2 --- Klan Parenthood wants to railroad these women and girls into their Kliniks to expand their sterile sex/dead baby outreach.

    Cecile and her Death-Eater co-religionists are detestable.

  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/22/2014 12:26:56 PM PST · 47 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv

    Please pray for me.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/22/2014 12:25:50 PM PST · 58 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Iscool
    "Thank you but I'll takes God's word over any from your or another's religion, any day..."

    Thank you for taking the Bible from the Catholic Church!


  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/22/2014 12:22:33 PM PST · 57 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to ravenwolf

    Very glad to see your defense of the Holy Spirit working in history through Christ’s Church.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/22/2014 12:20:57 PM PST · 56 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to CynicalBear
    You have never proved your points; in fact you have never ever suggested a method by which your points could be proved. For example:

    "Peter already considered Paul's writings scripture."

    Yes he did. Such a determination would have to be made by somebody with the authority to do so and Peter certainly did. This is precisely the authority he had from Christ when he gave him the power of the keys" and gave him the Petrine ministry of "confirming the brethren." It's the strongest Catholic point you could have made.

    Nevetheless, St. Peter died in the mid-60's, before the whole New Testament was even written, and somebody (some individual or some group) would have to assume that authority to determine what was Holy Scripture. He had to have had a successor in this, because the canon was not yet closed.

    So we can see how that happened historically: through the practices of the churches (liturgical) and the confirming declarations of councils and synods (hierarchical). Because obviously you can't have an infallible canon of Scripture unless you have somebody (or somebodies) who can make an infallible determination. And this would necessarily be after the death of the last Apostle (John, d. 100 AD), because as lng as there was a living Apostle, you didn't know if he was going to write something else which would be added to the Canon.

    "Second, it was God who preserved His word to us as He promised He would."

    Yes, He did. Historically, He did this through the Catholic Church.

    " For Catholics to try to take credit IS putting men over what is written. Catholics should keep in mind that God used Judas, Balaam's donkey, and many evil people to bring forth His will."

    LOL! Absolutely! It's not at all anomalous to put the Catholic Church in the same category as Balaam's ass. God could do this any way He chose. And the way He chose must be the best way to do it. He chose to do it through His Church.

    Despite their (and your and my) various asinine tendencies. It's still His Church.

  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/22/2014 10:59:56 AM PST · 45 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    I think you’re missing the distinction between a shift in Church policy, discipline or pastoral strategy, and a contradiction of doctrine. The former type of change has often taken place in the course of Church history, in response to changing circumstances. And in this practical, disciplinary respect, a comparison between MOrtalium Animos (MA) and the Humanum conference reveals the contrast.

    Pius XI flatly forbade any Catholic participation in interchurch or inter-religious meetings and activities motivated by the desire for restoring Christian unity (give-and-take in terms of doctrines.) The Humanum conference, on the other hand, positively encourages Catholics to spread (without weakening or modification) the Catholic understanding of Marriage, as a key to restoring the health of our society: that is, culture and policy.

    The "star" Catholic participants are neither theologians nor clerics. Robert George is a philosopher, Mary Ann Glendon a law professor. They are emphatically NOT trying to steer the Church into Protestant theological compromises.

    Pius XI strongly emphasized the risks and dangers of indifferentism and confusion about the faith occasioned by interfaith activities based on hashing out a unified doctrinal platform. That’s not what Humanum was about. It was about finding allies in the intellectual and social struggle to restore the unique status of Male-Female complementarity as the basis for natural (Male-Female) marriage. Which is in fact the only kind of real marriage there is as revealed in Natural Law even before it was revealed in Canon Law!!

    This was a direct challenge to the "gay" "marriage" ideology.

    What Pius XI condemned is by no means the same thing that conferences like Humanum affirm. What, exactly, did Pope Pius condemn as false doctrine?

    (1) A "lowest common denominator" approach to achieve one "world religion.”

    (2) A denial of the very principle of revealed truth, which presupposes that all approaches are just varying (and fallible) human expressions of a natural religious impulse, and ultimately devalues Divine revelation.

    (3) A false ecclesiology: a theological understanding of the Church as "nothing more than a federation of the various Christian communities, even though these may hold different and mutually exclusive doctrines" (MA 6).

    (4) The false idea that the unity which Christ prayed for— "Ut unum sint" - —"merely expressed a desire or a prayer which as yet has not been granted. The liberal Protestant ecumenists of the 20th century (and their mistaken Catholic allies) held that the one true Church of Christ has up to their time hardly ever existed and did not exist except as a mere ideal" (MA 7).

    To say Humanum conference diverged from the doctrine of Mortalium Animos is to make a category mistake. The Humanum conference was not an ecclesiastical parlay with an aim to getting to a one-world church or a one-church world. It was about strengthen our allies in the truth in order to fight the LGBT agenda.

  • Conservative Cardinal Burke loses another Vatican post

    11/22/2014 9:52:52 AM PST · 42 of 42
    Mrs. Don-o to eater-of-toast
    "I don’t believe that Francis thinks fancier trappings indicate more reverence for God."

    Nobody believes Francis believes that.

    "If he did he’d surely wear ostentatious garb, himself. Plus there’s the precedent of Francis having removed Limburg, Germany’s “Bishop of Bling.”"

    The "Bishop of Bling" didn't get that nickname because he liked traditional liturgical vestments. It was because he spent a mind-boggling $40+ million on home renovations at his palatial pad. One item I rememeber: a $300,000 fish tank.

    "However, I suspect Francis’ demotion of Burke has far more to do with certain of the latter’s outspoken social positions."

    That's a matter of considerable controversy. Every head of the Apostolic Signatura (Burke's position) has had a 6-years-or-less tenure since the early 90's. Burke was rotated out at 6 years, right on schedule.

    The surprise was that he went on to a much less prestigious post: Patron of he Knights o Malta, which entails very few official duties and usually considered a sinecure for old clerics who are being put out to pasture. Burke is a vigorous 66 and thought to be at the peak of his career.

    My own personal hypothesis is as follows:

    Pope Francis' choice of Burke's new assignment is one that positions him to land solidly on his feet. He now has no immediate ecclesiastic superior --- in other words, he doesn't have to run anybody else's errands. He is surrounded by an enthusiastic affinity group of wealthy and influential supporters. They already comprise a Christifideles Brigade, and he's been installed at the head of it.

    Burke is now free to write for the popular as well as the academic press in any language, speak in London, celebrate the TLM in Austria, organize in Perth, agitate in Lisbon, publish in Navarre, address conferences in Lagos and Capetown, pray, work, and influence exactly as he is led by the Spirit to do so, and has been richly endowed with all the practical, temporal resources he would need to do just that.

    I hardly think Francis is so stupid that he wouldn't realize that. So it falls within either Francis' positive or his permissive will.

    The Pope has spoken out unambiguously on abortion, contraception, marriage and that he would "Never oppose the Successor of Peter."

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/22/2014 8:26:09 AM PST · 52 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to mrobisr
    The Scriptures you have posted are excellent and so apropos in this discussion.

    "Sorry, but there is only one Holy Bible and Scripture. You can claim that the Catechism falls into this category, but the Bible disagrees."

    You have evidently misunderstood how the Catholic Church regards the Catechism. It does not fall in the same category as Bible or Sacred Scripture. The Catholic Church believes in a "closed canon." No other Books could possibly be added to the Bible after the death of the last Apostle.

  • Pope urges doctors to witness to sanctity of life

    11/22/2014 8:22:46 AM PST · 14 of 14
    Mrs. Don-o to mrobisr
    "“May the Blessed Virgin Mary, Salus infirmorum, support the intentions with which you intend to continue your action. I ask you to please pray for me and I give you my heartfelt blessing.”...
    Now lets make it Biblical and not Idolize a fellow servant of God (Mary) or “Salus” a Roman godess."

    Mary IS a fellow servant of God. She is no goddess: she is a handmaid. ON this we agree. She is certainly no a goddess called "Salus" --- Salus is a Latin word meaning "safetry, well-being" --- they may have named a Goddess "Well-being" but that does nit mean that every reference to "well-bein" is a reference to this goddess.

    No, Mary is a servant, and one saved by her own Son, by Jesus whom she calls her Savior.

    "May the Lord Jesus Christ, support the intentions with which you intend to continue your action. I ask you to please pray for me and I give you my heartfelt blessing."

    I recognize your beautiful goodwill here, and I join myself in your prayer. May God be praised in your prayers and mine, and in the prayers of all the His holy ones. All saints, pray for us!

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/22/2014 8:13:47 AM PST · 51 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Iscool

    Not so.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/22/2014 8:12:49 AM PST · 50 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Iscool; CynicalBear
    Iscool, even in terms of Scripture itself, there is reliance on Sacred Tradition and there is development of doctrine.

    A quick question: who do you think wrote the first five books of the OT? Would you say, "Moses"? I imagine you would. And yet none of those five books is signed. You are believing this not because of the ipsissima verba of the Scriptures, but because of the Sacred Tradition --- OralTradition---of the Jews.

    Likewise: who do you think wrote the four Gospels? Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Good: but actually, those Gospels are anonymous: unsigned and internally unattributed. Why do we say "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John"? Because of Oral Tradition.

    You think The Gospel of John is a part of Scripture? Very good.How about the Gospel of Thomas? Or the Didache? Once again, the canon of the New Testament was settled by Sacred Tradition. The very making of the New Testament Canon was a development of doctrine.

    None of the books of the OT was included on a First Century AD index --- or 2nd or 3rd century, for that matter --- indicating which books are Sacred Scripture and which are not. The first "New Testaments" were scattered manuscripts. There was no Table of Contents. Over a period of time--- and gradually -- in a process that spanned centuries --- the Churches settled on a Church-wide agreed list of New Testament Scriptures, determined liturgically ("What were they using for public prayers?") and confirmed hierarchically ("What list was approved in synods and councils?)

    So without Tradition there would be no Canon of Scripture.

    Nor even does the existence of the full Canon of Scripture necessary for salvation. Was not the Thief on the Cross next to Jesus saved? And not one jot or one tittle of NT Scripture had been written at that ppoint. Didn't St. Stephen the deacon, the first holy martyr, go to Heaven? Of course he did. But at that time there was not one written Gospel, no NT whatsoever. What he knew about Christ, he got from the Apostolic preaching. Oral Tradition.

    It was Tradition that came first, and gave rise to Scripture. Tradition is not just some unnatural "growth" or tumor that got attached to the Church in the ages after the Gospels were written.

    Tradition --- not the "empty traditions of men, but Sacred Tradition and its authority--- preceded Gospel.

    And if the Holy Spirit were not teaching reliably through Oral Tradition and through such structures as Church synods and councils, the 27-book New Testament would never have existed, or would have passed out of circulation just as innumerable ancient books passed out of circulation and were forgotten forever. Thanks be to God.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/21/2014 5:35:25 PM PST · 41 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to CynicalBear
    Matthew 28:19-20
    Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    The idea that "you have no need for anyone to teach you" expressed by St. John does not mean that, across the board, nobody needs to teach or be taught. Nor does it mean that everyone is a teacher: that is a particular gift which not everybody has. The office of teaching is clearly very important in the NT Church. And this means more than reciting an appropriate chapter and verse: it means also applying the faith and doctrine of the Apostles to new questions, new controversies, new challenged, in contact with new cultures, which required deeper, wider, or more detailed explanations, and which are arrived at by the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

    All this is par of what we mean when we speak of the "development of doctrine."

    The ongoing influence of the Holy Spirit in bringing out new aspects of the truth is clear from the record of the early Church:

    Luke 12:12
    "...for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”

    John 14:26
    But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    John 15:20
    If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

    Acts 2:42
    They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

    Acts 13:1
    Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul

    Romans 12:6-8
    We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with the faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

    1 Corinthians 12:28-29
    And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.

    Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?

    Ephesians 4:11
    So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers.

    The had the authorization both to rule and to instruct: command and teach:

    1 Timothy 4:11
    Command and teach these things

    Teachers were needed:

    Acts 8:29-31
    The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”
    Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.
    “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

    Not only Isaiah and the Prophets, but even Apostles like Paul were hard to understand, and needed to be explained correctly:

    2 Peter 3:16
    [Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    So one can't conclude that nobody needs to teach, that nobody needs to learn from another human being, or that ll are teachers. Neither can one conclude that there will be no development of doctrine, since hte Holy Spirit will (future) "Teach you all things" --- and this means all things, not just what was written down before 100 AD. John said, you remember that if everything Jesus said and did were recorded, the earth itself would not be big enough to hold all the books.

    That is NOT to say that there will be new Scriptures or new public revelation. That ceased with the death of the last Apostle. The Canon o Scripture is closed. But the Holy Spirit is teaching His Church the ever wider, deeper ramifications of the Truth that has been handed down to us from the Apostles.

  • Pope Francis's defense of doctrine sends the Associated Press spinning

    11/21/2014 5:11:08 PM PST · 75 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide
    OK, it's a valid distinction, and you do well by pointing that out. We (I) ought to employ a more exact vocabulary about the various gradations of honor recognized in the Church.

    Back to an earlier point: I was admiring Cardinal Burke for recognizing the special honor and reverence owed to the Successor of Peter.


    11/21/2014 4:39:00 PM PST · 7 of 21
    Mrs. Don-o to SierraWasp; MNDude
    You might want to re-read the conclusion of the article at the link, in which Paul Kengor says that --- in the light of abundant evidence that Pope Francis has, and has always had, PUBLISHED, orthodox Catholic beliefs about marriage and sexuality --- it's not so much that Pope Francis is duping the Elton John types, but that some people are just so eager to be duped.

    Some folks (right and left, inside and outside the Church), and despite abundant evidence, think Pope Francis wants to OK gay marriage. They'll be disappointed. I pity them. What they lack in intelligence, they make up for in stupidity.

  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/21/2014 4:15:34 PM PST · 42 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    No, Pope Pius XII's dialogue with non-Catholics concerned both scientific and moral matters. For instance, in 1958, in talks at international meetings on blood transfusion and blood disorders, Pope Pius XII quoted favorably from (non-Catholic) Dr. Sheldon Reed, not just as to technical scientific questions, but also as to ethical considerations.

    That is of course not to say that Pius XII thought that a Protestant geneticist has some kind of Magisterial moral authority. The point is, Pius XII was intelligent enough to consider the experience, training, and insights of an intelligent man of good will who happened to be Protestant.

    Back to the topic at hand: Bravo to the Humanum pro-Marriage group, Catholics and non-Catholics alike. They can make their positive contribution wherever intelligence/good will can get the respect it deserves.


    11/21/2014 3:47:18 PM PST · 5 of 21
    Mrs. Don-o to NYer

    He closed by urging prayer for those “who seek to support and strengthen the union of man and woman in marriage as a unique, natural, fundamental and beautiful good for persons, communities, and whole societies.”

    That statement came just last weekend.

    This has been and remains Pope Francis’ position on marriage and the family. So, why would the liberal world conclude anything else?


  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/21/2014 3:10:15 PM PST · 39 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    Do I agree with what? I need a statement, a proposition to be agreed with or disagreed with.

    I will state here and now that I agree with the overall pattern of respect, dialogue, and alliance as exemplified by POpe Pius XII and Robert George.

  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/21/2014 3:02:03 PM PST · 37 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to Running On Empty

    Thank you for your kind words.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/21/2014 3:00:37 PM PST · 40 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Iscool
    That's not so--- it's not Biblical. It negates the work of the Holy Spirit in the Church --- because Our Lord the Holy Spirit leads us into "all truth," not just things past, but things to come.

    The development of doctrine cannot be something that negates or contradicts Scripture, since the Holy Spirit is both the Author of Scripture and the Author of the development of doctrine in the Church:

    John 16:13
    But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

  • Pope Francis's defense of doctrine sends the Associated Press spinning

    11/21/2014 2:54:17 PM PST · 72 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to BlatherNaut
    A detailed distinction might be made between dulia and reverence, bu I was speaking of "dulia in the relative sense."

    Merriam-Webster puts it this way:


    1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference

    2: to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion Mother Teresa was venerated for her work with the poor, even before she died (first sense); after she died and was named a "Blessed" she as venerated in the second sense, e.g. by ritual act.

    In common parlance, we can be said to "venerate" loyalty, or courage, or literature. Philologically, "to venerate" derives from the Latin verb, venerare, meaning to regard with reverence and respect.

    The Seventh Ecumenical Council (787) decreed that iconoclasm, i.e. forbidding icons and their veneration, is a heresy that amounts to a denial of the incarnation of Jesus.

    There was certainly veneration before there was canonization!

    If a theological distinction is made between "venerate" and "reverence," I don't think it would be absolute, but we might want to use a more general term term like proskynesis to cover the overall respect shown to saints and priests and relics and Pope and icons and sanctuaries and consecrated ground.

  • Pope urges doctors to witness to sanctity of life

    11/21/2014 2:32:11 PM PST · 10 of 14
    Mrs. Don-o to trisham

    As astute observation. :o/

  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/21/2014 2:31:26 PM PST · 35 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    Your supposition against my supposition.

    I'll see your St. John Fisher and raise you Pope Pius XII. He attended and addressed many meetings of medical professionals and researchers, doctors, nurses, midwives, etc. to discuss all aspects of medical and moral responsibilities. These were not exclusively Catholic groups, and were addressed as well by non-Catholic speakers both in scientific and in ethical aspects of their work --- whose contributions Pope Pius was aware of and appreciated.

    He interacted with members of scientific conferences, both teaching them and learning from them --- and not all were Catholic.

    Pope Pius XII not only did not bar such meetings with non-Catholics, but positively encouraged Catholic participation. He never suggested that the contributions of non-Catholic speakers were invalid; on occasion he quoted them.

    Kind of like Catholics and non-Catholics meeting to think, speak and work together on the defense of Marriage.

  • Pope Francis Wants To Know What Rick Warren, Russell Moore, N. T. Wright Think about Marriage

    11/21/2014 2:04:07 PM PST · 51 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to Arthur McGowan

    Thank you. That’s what OI was looking for.

  • Pope urges doctors to witness to sanctity of life

    11/21/2014 2:02:19 PM PST · 8 of 14
    Mrs. Don-o to metmom

    Of course.

  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/21/2014 2:01:20 PM PST · 33 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    St. John Fisher would appreciate true ecumenism but not, I trust, false ecumenism.

    (Talk about a tautology.)

    I think he'd appreciate the assistance of allies who wanted to defend marriage. And that's what the conference was about: not denying doctrines, not merging un-mergeable faith communities on the basis of ambiguities and platitudes, but defending Marriage: which is a matter of Natural Law even before it is a matter of Canon Law.

    “A good man is not a perfect man; a good man is an honest man, faithful and unhesitatingly responsive to the voice of God in his life.” - St. John Fisher

  • Pope Francis's defense of doctrine sends the Associated Press spinning

    11/21/2014 1:51:30 PM PST · 70 of 75
    Mrs. Don-o to BlatherNaut
    Not so. The Church venerates people, places and things of all sorts which are connected with or dedicated in some special way to God. The Church shows outward signs of veneration by bowing, kissing, genuflecting, giving special clothing or adornment, giving special titles, incensing, etc.

    You know very well that you have been incensed at church: you have been venerated. The altar itself is venerated. The Shroud of Turn is venerated, even though it has never been declared de fide to have been the authentic burial shroud of Our Lord.

    When you die the priest will drape your coffin with a cloth representing your Baptismal garment and light the Paschal Candle to signify that in Baptism you were enlightened with the Light of Christ and we pray you have been mercifully gathered to Himself. Thus will even your corpse be venerated. And mine too, though I am a sinner.

    So yes, we Catholics venerate the Pope. This is not latria and not hyperdulia, but such dulia as we give to any consecrated person, place, or object.

    Venerate: not adore. There's an INFINITE distinction of kind (not just of degree) between veneration and adoration; and within veneration, there a very wide spectrum of degrees.

  • Pope Francis Wants To Know What Rick Warren, Russell Moore, N. T. Wright Think about Marriage

    11/21/2014 1:27:35 PM PST · 49 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to Arthur McGowan

    No, you would not. I hope. You would pray hard and find some way to do the Lord’s work in the Lord’s way, trusting in his grace and not your own finesse.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/21/2014 1:25:45 PM PST · 37 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Resettozero
    I gave you the link --- twice --- so you could read the whole context. Do not unjustly accuse me to concealing anything from you.

    My point was that the Catholic Church knows and teaches that elements of sanctification and truth are found outside the walls of the Catholic Church. This unites people to the Catholic Church since the Church is the Body of Christ, and His Body is one: it is not torn apart.

    I am happy that you read the context and I would only advise you, in a friendly way, to read more. Since we --- all who love the Lord --- are Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

  • Planned Parenthood Letter: Abortion Won’t Threaten Your Relationship With God

    11/21/2014 1:18:47 PM PST · 14 of 27
    Mrs. Don-o to Morgana
    I've had some opportunities to talk with girls and woman post-abortion -- mostly years afterwards. You'd be appalled to see how many of them consider thmselves to be good Christiand before-during-after the abortion.

    They rationalize it like this:

    "Jesus is very understanding. I knew He'd understand that this was a special situation."

    "I was always taught that there is no sin that God can't forgive. So I decided to have an abortion and then repent and be forgiven."

    "I was just a little bit pregnant so it was just a little abortion. I was a little sorry afterwards, but when I prayed God told me "Don't worry, it's OK."

    "I asked God for a sign, and then on the (NYC) subway I saw a sign that said, "Abortion, Affordable, Confidential. We're here for you."

    And of course "understanding" parents and "understanding" ministers who said, basically, God trusts you to use your own judgment.

    Just mindboggling levels of self-deception.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/21/2014 1:00:41 PM PST · 35 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Resettozero
    You can click on the line which is in red, and bolded, in my previous comment; or click here:

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/21/2014 12:42:07 PM PST · 32 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Resettozero
    "Here's the rub:... The RCC, headquartered inside the Vatican in Italy, maintains it alone is the church referenced here to the exclusion of other groups of believers in and followers of Lord Jesus Christ.

    Not so. Here's what the Catholic Church says about that:

    Catechism of the Catholic Church, para. 819
    "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation..."
  • Pope urges doctors to witness to sanctity of life

    11/21/2014 12:35:02 PM PST · 5 of 14
    Mrs. Don-o to Alex Murphy
    "So he thinks it's only a scientific/legal problem?"

    You honestly can't figure out what he's saying here? He's saying an ethic prohibiting abortion is not a distinctive "belief" of a Church based on faith in a supernatural source of revelation. If it were that, "Don't abort your children" would have the same status as, say, "Go to Mass on Sunday." It's something you could not credibly propose to somebody outside of your faith. You could not propose it to civil society.

    But the prohibition on abortion is based on the verifiable human status of the victim of the act. An atheist can see that. Nat Hentoff can see that.

    It has its religious aspects, to be sure. It has its philosophical aspects as well. But it is solidly rooted in Natural Law. Thus it can be required of one's fellow citizens in a State which still Constitutionally prohibits any "religious test."

    Any other questions, Alex?

  • Pope urges doctors to witness to sanctity of life

    11/21/2014 12:06:07 PM PST · 3 of 14
    Mrs. Don-o to 2ndDivisionVet


  • Pope urges doctors to witness to sanctity of life

    11/21/2014 12:01:52 PM PST · 1 of 14
    Mrs. Don-o
    Pope Francis, November 15, 2014, tells doctors to refuse to cooperate (to be "conscientious objectors") to abortion. And then:

    "When so many times in my life as a priest I have heard objections: “But tell me, why the Church is opposed to abortion, for example? Is it a religious problem?” No, no. It is not a religious problem. “Is it a philosophical problem?” No, it is not a philosophical problem. It’s a scientific problem, because there is a human life there, and it is not lawful to take out a human life to solve a problem.

    “But no, modern thought -- ”

    But, listen, in ancient thought and modern thought, the word “kill” means the same thing.

    Did you read this in the New York Times? In the WaPo??

    In Reuters?

    See it on CNN?

    Or even in Rorate Caeli?


    Things that make you go "Hmmm..."

  • Pope Francis Wants To Know What Rick Warren, Russell Moore, N. T. Wright Think about Marriage

    11/21/2014 11:13:37 AM PST · 47 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to Arthur McGowan
    Just curious --- because be assured I love and respect you, Fr. Arthur!--- what your insights would be on the pastoral questions listed here


  • Pope Francis Wants To Know What Rick Warren, Russell Moore, N. T. Wright Think about Marriage

    11/21/2014 11:13:25 AM PST · 46 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to Mrs. Don-o
    Just curious --- because be assured I love and respect you, Fr. Arthur!--- what your insights would be on the pastoral questions listed here


  • Pope Francis Wants To Know What Rick Warren, Russell Moore, N. T. Wright Think about Marriage

    11/21/2014 11:12:59 AM PST · 45 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to Mrs. Don-o
    Just curious --- because be assured I love and respect you, Fr. Arthur!--- what your insights would be on the pastoral questions listed here


  • Pope Francis Wants To Know What Rick Warren, Russell Moore, N. T. Wright Think about Marriage

    11/21/2014 11:08:18 AM PST · 44 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to Patriotic1

    Thank you for these most gracious words.

  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/21/2014 11:05:28 AM PST · 28 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Kackikat
    It says "they worship me in vain." --- who are "they"? In Biblical context, it's the Scribes and the Pharisees, who were teaching the observation of the 613 Mitzvot. This has nothing to do with development of doctrine in Christ's Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

    How much of Jesus' teaching was not, at first, written down? A LOT:

    John 21:25
    Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

    How much of that is the Holy Spirit going to teach us? ALL OF IT.

    John 14:26
    But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    Is it's God's intent that we should learn from the Church?

    Ephesians 3:10
    His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known

    Does Christ's Church have the authority to do this teaching?

    1 Corinthians 12:28
    And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.

    How does St. Paul describe the teaching authority of the Church?

    1 Timothy 3:15
    "...the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth."

    This I know. For the Bible tells me so.


  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/21/2014 9:47:11 AM PST · 15 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Kackikat
    I know what the First Commandment is. It does not say, "The answer is read the Bible for yourself, and throw man’s doctrine and nonsense away. God says “have no other God’s before me’ and if your Church doctrine leads you, then God isn’t...his inspired instruction is in the Bible"

    On the contrary, it's "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." (LINK)

    It doesn't say a word about the development of doctrine via the Holy Spirit teaching through His Church.


  • Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

    11/21/2014 9:33:37 AM PST · 10 of 64
    Mrs. Don-o to Kackikat

    But then... why are you posting here? What you said is not in the Bible.


    11/21/2014 9:31:10 AM PST · 18 of 50
    Mrs. Don-o to trisham
    I completely agree, Trisham.

    I actually hate gangsta rap. I think it is morally corrosive, and I would keep it off of any venue I controlled, and would keep it away from any degree of public support (e.g. publicly subsidized radio or platforms or schools) either direct or indirect. BUT...

    Speech is still speech. It needs Constitutional protection particularly if it does not enjoy the support of the Opinionistas. Unless he were conspiring to facilitate crime, he is free to say what he pleases.

    Eric Holder, on the other hand...

  • AlterNet: Pets 'Public Enemy Number Two' Due to 'Negative Impact' on Climate

    11/21/2014 9:18:10 AM PST · 13 of 15
    Mrs. Don-o to rktman
    If I were still fertile, I would have 2 more kids and "push the world further toward climate catastrophe."

    Actually, what I'm aiming for is 1500 or even 1800 ppm CO2 and +2o Celsius. Much greener planet and my garden would be OK until first week of November.

  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/21/2014 8:27:51 AM PST · 31 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to piusv
    It is particularly mistaken to be invoking the great St. John Fisher in this matter. As a scholar he was open to the wisdom of humanists like Erasmus and constructively conversant with some of the men who formed the early beginnings of the Reformation. He was murdered for defending the indissolubility of marriage (King Henry VIII and Queen Catherine) and for rejecting the odious Act of Supremacy.

    If Robbie George, Glendon and Chaput want to ally with humanists and Protestants also in defense of marriage, I think Fisher (and More and, what the heck, Erasmus) are beaming down their approval from around the Heavenly Throne.

  • Conservatives defend Pope Francis (Robert George, Mary Ann Glendon, Card. Chaput)

    11/21/2014 7:37:32 AM PST · 29 of 51
    Mrs. Don-o to CodeToad

    “The devil himself”? No. Francis is no on his team.<p


  • Cardinal's demotion helps Pope Francis quell 'conservative backlash' -- for now

    11/21/2014 7:34:50 AM PST · 13 of 15
    Mrs. Don-o to ebb tide
    Adam Shaw at Fox described what Card. Burke said as "blasting Francis"?

    I'm alerted, then, not to put much stock in the opinion of Adam Shaw.