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The Dark Side of 'Christian' Family Counselors
Free Republic ^ | April 22, 2018 | Hostage

Posted on 04/22/2018 11:48:52 AM PDT by Hostage

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To: tired&retired

It’s not me but I’ll pass on if appropriate the idea of using a school counselor. That might be a solution as school counselors are government employees who might be able to quell an overreaching by CPS.


41 posted on 04/22/2018 1:28:49 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: arthurus

I agree. It’s still a sad situation though.


42 posted on 04/22/2018 1:34:10 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: aimhigh

The father has his son at home and is protecting him. He’s a good parent.

I don’t get involved in his day-to-day affairs. He comes to me asking for friendly feedback. I know he’s not going to let the child go back to the mother’s boyfriend until he gets some sort of action.

What he’s doing now, I don’t know. But yesterday he said he was going to check out some options and talk to some attys. That’s all I know other than he’s a good guy.


43 posted on 04/22/2018 1:44:17 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage

All licensed counselors are legally required to report suspected and reported abuse to child protective services. That includes Christian ones.


44 posted on 04/22/2018 1:46:27 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Hostage

I have a LOT of stories, arrested a couple times too.

A nazi thug dressed in a Magic Blue costume broke in to my House while my 9 yr old daughter and I were watching TV. I got up and got right in his face without ever touching him , screaming and Demanding he get out of my house. He is Frantic and talking on the radio, I picked up the House Phone and called 911, Screaming into the Phone, HELP, A Man just broke in to my House, Help he has a GUN OH MY GOD HELP, and Ripped the phone out of the wall, all the while he was less than 2 inches from my face and I was very hostile, but never touched him.

I then picked up my Cell Phone and called my Lawyer.

Everyone showed up at the same time, needless to say it was from an anonymous tip that prompted the visit, funny thing was, the NAZI Thug that showed up was F%cking and Using the Anonymous Tipster to buy Drugs as a Snitch. The meeting at My Lawyers Office at 10:00PM with the Chief of Police, the DA,Sargeants,and everyone else in charge ...was rather entertaining, especially since 3 months prior I filed a Formal Harassment Complaint for violating my restraining order with 65 harassing phone calls in 2 days, all stored on Battery Powered Caller ID I got at Radio Shack, it was the NAZI Thugs Cell Phone Number!!! and Child Protective Services NEVER Bothered me again!!


45 posted on 04/22/2018 1:49:30 PM PDT by eyeamok (Tolerance: The virtue of having a belief in Nothing!)
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To: PGR88

> “The state, and media, will come down very hard on anyone who knows, or even suspects abuse, but does nothing.”

I imagine CPS can also be held accountable if they fail to act which explains why there are so many stories of how CPS causes more trouble to these types of situations.

> “Moreover, what is your friend’s logic for not wanting the counselor to report this abuse?”

I would myself report it if I didn’t think this father was responsible and an all-around good parent.

He’s not sitting on his thumbs. For now, he’s protecting his son and he’s making a plan to deal with the boyfriend.

His predicament is that government agencies and courts can bring more harm than good, not because they are bad people, but because they are not capable of always doing the right thing.

For example, CPS could put the child in a foster home pending the investigation which could go on for weeks or months. The father tells me that the trauma caused by separation of his son from his father during such time could damage him more than anything else.

I feel for the guy. I have no good answers.

One person sent me an email saying there should be legislation that allows for aunts. uncles, grandparents to consent to temporary custody during such conflicts. Sounds like a good subject to discuss.


46 posted on 04/22/2018 1:56:46 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: eyeamok

Was the thug a CPS agent? An LEO?

You were brave and maybe you are lucky to be alive.

Glad to hear CPS is no longer bothering you.


47 posted on 04/22/2018 2:02:53 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage

My ex divorced me 20 years ago. We had 10, 13 and 16 year old daughters. My experience with family court is the reason I hate the US government and the government at all levels in King County WA. And I didn’t even have to deal with CPS.

I consider all meddling governments to be pure evil.

It opened my eyes. It changed my life.


48 posted on 04/22/2018 2:03:23 PM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: Hostage

When I was a kid, kids didn’t need an SSN until they were old enough to work for wages.


And an SSN is not to be used for identification purposes. I only give mine when I’m participating in a lending transaction or seeking employment. Nobody else gets it. Back in the day I had to give a fake one to the doctor.


49 posted on 04/22/2018 2:05:19 PM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: Hostage
He is pretty closed lip but knows I can be trusted to keep his personal matters private..

Then why am I reading this in a very public forum?

The friend doesn't know the meaning of "privacy"

50 posted on 04/22/2018 2:05:50 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didnÂ’t.")
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To: robroys woman

Women will always use their kids as cannon fodder in divorces. Trick is to ask her what she wants and give her all the time she wants with the kids...except full custody....and avoid the courts! Then after the fact do as you will. If she wants to change things SHE has to take it to court!


51 posted on 04/22/2018 2:07:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: RedMonqey

uh, gee .. I never expected someone could ‘divine’ his identity here.


52 posted on 04/22/2018 2:09:01 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: robroys woman

We need a level of government to deal with conflicts and unsafe environments.

But when it comes to children, the government seems to strike out more often than get on base.

One of the best topics for discussion received so far is from arthurus on this thread who suggested school counselors, but I guess that would depend on the school.

The other best topic came in an email to consider allowing relatives, aunts, uncles, grandparents to have temporary custody while the conflict gets investigated.


53 posted on 04/22/2018 2:13:59 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage

“A family court apparently gets allegations thrown about all the time and it’s not always easy to know who’s telling the truth.?
I have to admit that I am clueless with the problems dealing with a family court and in my own marriage these sort of problems could not have happened. However I do believe under these circumstances I would do something as the son is looking to the father and that has long term implications. And I don’t know how under these circumstances the abuse could be hidden.


54 posted on 04/22/2018 2:23:44 PM PDT by Rock N Jones (1935)
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To: Hostage
I saw a case where the wife/mother bided her time, eventually there was an incident where the child (12) dramatically held a knife to her own neck when only the father was home as part of an argument. The father knocked the knife from her hand. The child called her mother who called the police. The man got some sort of misdemeanor assault charge.

This was the moment the wife/mother had been waiting for. She filed a restraining order, divorce proceedings, requested full custody and made "the checkmark" that she felt further abuse would occur. Thus the father could only have supervised visitation that he had to pay for.

Knowing both, I told the mother that it was a mistake to knowingly lie and check that box. The daughter would feel horribly guilty and blame the mother as well. When she turned 18 the daughter could do what she wanted and would eschew the mother, spending time with the father. Well, the mother was totally fixated on getting that custody by any means necessary.

That was many years ago. As I predicted, the mother got her custody but not the love of her daughter. They fought constantly for 6 years until the daughter was 18 and moved in with her father, not speaking to her mother again for many years. Only about ten years later did they resume a mother/daughter relationship. It was a Pyrrhic victory.
55 posted on 04/22/2018 2:29:41 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Hostage

How old is the kid? A relationship with the school counselor should be developed prior to relating problems.
See if they might be trusted.
Get involved with a strong Christian Church prior to relating problems as they be assisting when you go to court. There may be cops counselors in the Church that. May be available for advice etc.
Getting close to school teachers would be desired especially one who could help when you go to court.


56 posted on 04/22/2018 2:31:41 PM PDT by southland ( I have faith in the creator Republicans freed the slaves. Heb 13:2 Deplorable...Trump 45)
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V.O.C.A.L. Victims Of Child Abuse Laws

CPS stays in business by intimidating the parents to not speak out.

57 posted on 04/22/2018 2:32:57 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Rock N Jones

Kid is safe and happy with the father for now.

See #43, #46

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3649540/posts?page=43#43

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3649540/posts?page=46#46


58 posted on 04/22/2018 2:34:04 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: \/\/ayne

> “The father knocked the knife from her hand.”

This is a prime example of an incident that can be taken in more than one way.

Was the father trying to torture his daughter or was he trying to get a dangerous weapon away from her so that she wouldn’t harm herself?

This goes to the crux of the matter in family court cases.

It’s the same as talking to a law enforcement officer without having an attorney present. The LEO can be jotting down a 1000 word report, yet pull 10 words out of context and use those words to throw the suspect in the slammer.


59 posted on 04/22/2018 2:40:27 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage

Good, my basic point is that the son will or should have learned respect for his father as he gets older.


60 posted on 04/22/2018 2:43:54 PM PDT by Rock N Jones (1935)
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