Posted on 04/17/2018 8:56:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
We need no more of you sodbusters around here!
They aren't! Just spit on your finger, thouch his tomgue, and say "Ephphatha!"
That'll do it. If that ain't speaking in another tongue, I don't know what is!
Rather ironic since the Mormons have no idea whether the Book of Mormon was translated correctly because they don’t have the original text. We do have the original untranslated text of the Bible so we don’t need to worry whether it was translated correctly.
All of us old coots like our first language; but many have learned, over the years, that other languages have a sweetness and a purity to them as well.
"You'll get my KJV 23 Psalm when you can pry it from my cold, dead fingers!"
Color coding explanation:
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff...
*(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)
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They canNOT say that about the 'Book of Abraham'; for the ORIGNAL text HAS been found!!
Figure | Joseph Smith Explanation[52] | Explanation by non-Mormon and Mormon Egyptologists (quotes are from Deveria)[25][43][53] |
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1 | Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh. | "The spirit of the four elements (according to Champollion), or rather of the four winds, or the four cardinal points; the soul of the terrestrial world. This god is always represented with four rams' heads, and his image has certainly been altered here. They have also evidently made a very clumsy attempt at copying the double human head of the god figured above, fig. 2, instead of the four rams' heads. The word Jah-oh-eh has nothing Egyptian in it; it resembles the Hebrew word [redacted] badly transcribed." (emphasis in original) The name hieroglyph above the central figure is Chnm-Re, the Egyptian "First Creator" god who organized everything out of the primordial chaos. |
But they DO have this...
Uh; no we don't.
We have multiple COPIES of Scripture that was written through the years.
Our English language bibles are the result of much study of those copies.
It's hard to NOT notice the carnality of the Corinthian church and their abuse of the sign gifts.
Paul told them that they were not mature in Christ, a judgment he did not give to the other churches he wrote to. And they didn't have the same problem with exercising the gifts that the Corinthians did.
And here we live in a a very carnal age, with lifestyles and Scriptural shallowness demonstrated by the Corinthians, and imagine that, we have much the same problem exercising the gifts.
"Teaching them to observeG5083 all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Mt. 28:20 AV)
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Strong's Number G5083
τηρέω
tēreō
tay-reh'-o
Strong's Definition:
From τηρός teros (a watch; perhaps akin to G2334); to guard (from loss or injury, properly
by keeping the eye upon; and thus differing from G5442, which is properly to prevent escaping;
and from G2892, which implies a fortress or full military lines of apparatus), that is, to note (a prophecy;
figuratively to fulfil a command); by implication to detain (in custody; figuratively to maintain);
by extension to withhold (for personal ends; figuratively to keep unmarried): -
hold fast, keep (-er), (ob-, pre-, re) serve, watch.
Thayer's Definition:
1) to attend to carefully, take care of
. . 1a) to guard
. . 1b) metaphorically to keep, one in the state in which he is
. . 1c) to observe
. . 1d) to reserve: to undergo something
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayers/Strongs Number: from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to G2334)
Many modern Bible versions fail in translation method to adhere to this single command that is superlative to all others of Christ's commands. All modern versions fail if one counts that their underlying texts are the critical/eclectic Greek texts synthesized from the corrupted Sinaitic, Vatican, and Alexandrinian codices and thus unacceptable.
That would be throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Christianity does not stand and fall on the behavior of those who claim to be Christians.
The gospel is true because it's of GOD and it will continue to be true even when people are not.
And what some see as *Christianity collapsing*, others see as the death throes of sterile religiosity or a purifying of the church as God sifts out the chaff and tares from the wheat.
Romans 3:3-4 What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged.
Did Jesus 'teach' folks to observe LENT?
This seems to be; shall we say; a bit judgmental.
I believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of the god of this world, but not the Word of the God of the universe.
I ran into a Filipino Mormon in Manila a few weeks ago. I asked him, so far as it is correctly translated into what? English, Tagalog, Bisaya, Warray, Ilocano, or what? I then asked if he could point out any parts of the Bible that were incorrectly translated. He couldnt, of course. Maybe some FR Mormons can, but he couldnt. By then I had all I could take, and didnt want to talk about it anymore, so I asked him how he liked my new IPhone X. 😁😇👍
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
King James Version (KJV)
I had so much joy knowing that I was not an accidental product of evolution and that I had eternal life that I didn't really want to ask God for anything else. It was a month before I prayed to be taken out of Honduras and back home to my wife.
My point is, the joy of knowing God and the assurance of eternal life is more than any sinner deserves. It is a shame that people want more spiritual and material goodies in this life.
Even today I don't pray as much as many Christians except to give thanks for all the blessings I have.
Uh. You’ve posed a big block of questions, some of which you should probably do the homework and answer for yourself, because they don’t really have anything to do with Cessationist unbelief.
And I’ll try not to take umbrage at your patronizing tone.
1. Because the canon of Scripture was sealed after the 1st Century does not make a case that the gifts given at Pentecost (or the gifts that particularly offend modern-day Cessationists) somehow were stopped at that time...
... unless you believe God had some fancy reason to show off lots of signs and wonders in the 1st century church, and then put the brakes on for the rest of church history.
Without explanation.
2. The sealing of Scripture was a logistical necessity; whereby the gifts given at Pentecost are weapons of spiritual warfare, necessary for the building, continuance and maintanence of the church; as John teaches: “the antiChrist is already in the world”.
3. Cessationists such as yourself miss an important, if ominous, event that correlates with the sealing of Scripture in the First Century.
The spirit of antiChrist also came about in the First Century,
and you need the full armory of the gifts of the Spirit in the church for this reason.
4. You and any other Cessationist are left with choosing which Gifts of the Spirit you suppose God stopped in the first century.
5. And then you are left with having to excise much of the NT which discusses the functionality of these gifts in the body.
6. And then you have to explain which of the gifts ceased, and why these particular gifts needed to be stopped by God.
7. And then explain why God would play “Indian giver” with these gifts, and most importantly for the modern Berean...
... where this “cessation” of the gifts of Pentecost is spelled out in the Old Testament.
Good luck with that.
7. The timing of the Holy Spirit baptisms of John the Baptist’s disciples is not the point. The point is Paul preached the baptism of the Holy Spirit to them and they responded by prophesying and speaking in tongues, with joy.
And then Paul taught that “All should be ambitious to prophesy”.
(But I suppose you would add to Paul’s teaching on prophesy by saying:
“All believers in the first century church should be ambitious to prophesy,
but for those of you who came to Christ afterwards, forget about it.”)
8. You missed the point entirely about post Pentecostal prophesy for the modern or latter day Church. Prophets in the church do not occupy the “Old Testament office of the Prophet”. They can’t. That time is past, the New Covenant is already in force and the Holy Spirit has been poured out “to teach you all things”. The prophecies in the Bible are God’s Word. Church “prophets” cannot add to the Word of God, Scripture is sealed.
9. I’m not sure what you mean by the Bereans possessing some of God’s progressive revelation. The Word of God does not evolve.
If you are trying to nitpick the manner by which the canon of Scripture was sealed in the first Century, you have to argue with God, who oversaw the whole thing, and Christ foretold how the NT would be written.
In other words, seeing “how the sausage was made” during the first century sealing of the canon of Scripture does not discredit the fact God organized it all. He is God Almighty. Putting the Bible together wasn’t too difficult for Him.
10. Anointing in the OT for King Saul and the anointing of King David has nothing to do with the pouring out of the free gift of the Holy Spirit upon all mankind at Pentecost. Not sure why you don’t know this.
OT anointing means equipping for a specific task, done in the proper order under the OT Law. The pouring out of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost is the new universe of the promised Messianic age, that which the OT prophets longed to see but didn’t... because our era is “greater” than theirs in the Spirit.
We have a better thing than those believed before the Cross.
11. The order of water baptism before or after baptism of the Holy Spirit and its gifts doesn’t matter. Why does it matter to you?
The thief on the Cross with Christ was not baptized, but went to heaven. This proves our God mets us where we are at, even if we are hanging on a cross, slowly suffocating to death by crucifixion.
12. The bolding of the verses in Acts regarding John the Baptist’s disciples not knowing that they needed the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and then how they prophesied and spoke in tongues is a model for modern day Christians.
Note Paul added no qualifier:
“Hey, you Christians who are born after all of us first-hand witnesses of Christ have died, let me warn you: if you try this baptism of the Holy Spirit yourselves, don’t count on prophesying or speaking in tongues, that’s only for us. You just aren’t special, and don’t forget it.”
13. The gifts did not cease. What “ceased” is the belief that the gifts are for today because of false teachings and rank unbelief of Cessationism, probably because believing in the supernatural or the Devil offends people’s pride.
Assuming the gifts aren’t for today doesn’t make it so, and certainly didn’t make it so in the first century.
Cessationism is equal to the heresy of the charismatic NAR and their counterfeits, and equal in its wounding of the sheep.
We are not to despise prophecies nor quench the Holy Spirit of God, but instead to be Bereans:
“test the spirits, my beloved, for not every spirit comes from God... (for) the spirit of antichrist, which you have heard is coming, is already in the world...”
How do you know it is "of GOD?" Because it wound up in the King James Bible and it wouldn't be there if it weren't?
It isn't authorized by the Torah and therefore is illegitimate and no different than any other later made-up religion.
Those Mormons!
You can’t add something to a contract without changing it.
Same way you can’t add the Book of Mormon to the Word of God without changing it.
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