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All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics
Rorate Caeli ^ | February 22, 2018 | New Catholic

Posted on 02/22/2018 8:33:27 PM PST by ebb tide

The Francis Effect meeting the German Heresiarchy leads to an explosive decision of cataclysmic consequences.


Naturally, this Rome will not reject this aberration. This Vatican will welcome it. This pontificate will rejoice in it.

Report and translations from CNA/EWTN:

(Excerpt) Read more at rorate-caeli.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: discernment; francischurch; sacrilege
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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

- Matthew 23:9

41 posted on 02/23/2018 6:38:13 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Steve_Seattle; ebb tide
Holy Communion to open, unrepentant, grave sinners is a Eucharistic sacrilege. Notice I said "open, unrepentant, grave." Evey adjective counts.

If it is as you described, it is just as outlined above.

Contact the Bishop and do not let up until this is stopped.

Picket the rectory. If that doesn't work, picket the chancery.

I am serious. This must be stopped.

42 posted on 02/23/2018 6:45:46 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (One. Holy. Catholic. Apostolic.)
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To: longfellowsmuse

Of course.


43 posted on 02/23/2018 6:46:51 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (One. Holy. Catholic. Apostolic.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So your idea is to put other humans in judgement?

What do you think confession is really all about?

44 posted on 02/23/2018 6:49:30 AM PST by Bogie
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Surely you jest.

Not even a teeny-tiny little bit.

45 posted on 02/23/2018 6:59:23 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: 21twelve

The apostles were Jewish as well.. so no inconsistencies there..lets not let this dissolve into a typical debate on transubstantiation shall we.


46 posted on 02/23/2018 7:21:26 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Not sure they’d even be wanted? Perhaps you’ll clarify: by whom?


47 posted on 02/23/2018 7:46:03 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (One. Holy. Catholic. Apostolic.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Well, yes, of course. I guess I should have stated that. But it was Peter who implemented it and died for it.

You guess? You aren't sure? Peter, along with the other Apostles spread the Gospel of Jesus. Jesus built the church on Himself, NOT a sinful, flawed human being!

48 posted on 02/23/2018 7:53:51 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama (Self Defense is a Basic Human Right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Stop being argumentative. I amended my answer and you’re still not happy. What’s the problem, mama?


49 posted on 02/23/2018 7:55:18 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: LibFreeUSA

I’m catholic also. Christ said “do this in remembrance of me”. He didn’t say “do this in remembrance of the Catholic church”. He didn’t say “do this unless you have ever committed a sin”. He didn’t say “do this unless you are divorced and remarried”. Every true believer should be allowed Communion.


50 posted on 02/23/2018 8:40:39 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: BipolarBob

No. The Mass contradicts the New Testament.


51 posted on 02/23/2018 12:05:57 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The key point of contention in this argument is that the Catholic Church believes in the Real Presence of the Eucharist. We believe that at the moment of consecration the bread and wine are mystically turned into the ACTUAL Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.

Most Protestant churches believe that Communion is a symbolic act and that the items do not become the actual Body and Blood of Jesus. They do it because He says “do this in remembrance of Me” in the Gospels. But it does not mean the same thing as it does to Catholics.

This is a key point and an important difference. Most Protestants I know are very honest about this and admit that it’s a real difference of opinion, and a significant barrier to reunification.


52 posted on 02/23/2018 1:17:47 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: miss marmelstein; Mrs. Don-o; All

While I’m no Mrs. Dono, I know a few things: Catholics believe that the Host is transformed into the body of Jesus Christ during the Sacrament of the Mass. And that means that every Catholic must go to Confession prior to it to receive this sacrament or they must be in the state of grace prior to it.

If you aren’t, then you must deny yourself, which is why I have not taken the Host in many years. I use Helen Hayes, the actress married to divorced Charlie MacArthur, as my example. Once her beloved and marvelous husband died, she re-communicated with the Church. She was only human as I am.

For the rest or you?. Educate yourself. Do not rely on the present Pope to help you. He will not.


53 posted on 02/23/2018 1:28:09 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Georgia Girl 2; LibFreeUSA
Every true believer who has a mortal sin on their soul ought to receive Communion.

This would be a two-step process: first Confession. Then Communion. Mo Hence the message of hope for everyone: Repent. And believe the Good News.

54 posted on 02/23/2018 1:29:51 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (One. Holy. Catholic. Apostolic.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Bless you, miss marmelstein.


55 posted on 02/23/2018 1:31:48 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (One. Holy. Catholic. Apostolic.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ooh! Seriously, I’m blushing from praise from you.


56 posted on 02/23/2018 1:36:31 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
The other day, I was in Greenwich Village when I had time to kill. I went into Our Lady of Pompeii (still an Italian-language church) to say a prayer. After admiring its immigrant-built beauty and the music playing by the local pianist, I noticed the handwritten notice scotchtaped to the old-fashioned Confessional. It suggested that anyone in pain contact the priest in residence to come out and confess him. Something so sympathetic, so immediate, broke my not-so-tender heart.
57 posted on 02/23/2018 2:01:58 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

As a catholic of 30 years I abide by the rules of the eucharist. I just disagree.


58 posted on 02/23/2018 2:33:56 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The key point of contention in this argument is that the Catholic Church believes in the Real Presence of the Eucharist. We believe that at the moment of consecration the bread and wine are mystically turned into the ACTUAL Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.

This is why the Mass is in contradiction of the New Testament.

John O' Brien, Roman Catholic Priest in the Faith of Millions. Hebrews 9:24-28 Hebrews 10:11-13
When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command. 24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

28so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

59 posted on 02/23/2018 3:28:22 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: miss marmelstein
And “pope” simply means father.

It's way more than that in Roman Catholicism.

60 posted on 02/23/2018 3:29:39 PM PST by ealgeone
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