Modernism 101: Is the Novus Ordo an Unworthy Sacrifice to God?

The Remnant Newspaper ^ | June 18, 2016 | Toni McCarthy

[miss marmelstein]

When I read about the Catholic rites of Richard the Third’s time (he was a very Orthodox Catholic) I could weep with what we have lost. I sigh with disgust with what we lost circa 1967.

[Mom MD]

Because really good Christians speak Latin just like Jesus did? The only acceptable sacrifice is a contrite heart and a soul redeemed by the Blood of Jesus. All else is window dressing

[Fai Mao]

I actually read Vatican II many years ago. Since I am not a Roman Catholic it was sort of an exercise in concentration and mental discipline for me though I also wanted to see what the Roman Catholic Church ACTUALLY claimed as truth not what nominal Catholics thought it believed.

[ebb tide]

It impossible to have a contrite heart, if one doesn’t go to Confession.

[beelzepug]

“For in the night in which he
was betrayed, he took Bread; and when
he had given thanks, he brake it, and
gave it to his disciples, saying, Take, eat,
this is my Body, which is given for you; Do
this in remembrance of me. Likewise, after
supper, he took the Cup; and when he
had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying,
Drink ye all of this; for this is my Blood
of the New Testament, which is shed for
you, and for many, for the remission of sins;
Do this, as oft as ye shall drink it, in remembrance
of me.”

This is what I was taught as a child. Is there something wrong with it?

[sneakers]

I watched the documentary on Richard the Third. I have become very interested in the subject.

And I agree that we have lost something very profound and beautiful.

[miss marmelstein]

Good! A fine king, an even better Lord of the North, and a much maligned individual. His Masses were utterly gorgeous (we have his notes on it).

And yes, we’ve lost a lot since Vatican 2. But only a few thousand of us care. And the newer generations don’t miss what they haven’t experienced.

[ealgeone]

Better, confess your sins to our Advocate......Jesus. He will forgive.

[ebb tide]

[22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

It's amusing how prots ignore the bible when it doesn't agree with them. Your confessions are useless.

[Falconspeed]

Thank you for the very essay from a great journal. The author gives many reasons why the Roman rite is mysterious and how it is sad that many cities have few opportunities to attend the Roman rite.

‘The ascendency of Pope Francis to the Chair of St. Peter has always been the endgame of the Modernists.’ False. The Modernists are simply Masons and they got their man in the Chair with Giovanni Montini. Thankfully, the Lord prevented Paul VI from doing more damage. Sadly, the Modernists aka the Masons are having another shot with Francis. Thankfully, the Lord has Francis and the Masons on a short leash. Trust me: they feel the pinch of the Lord’s leash daily and curse him, just as a young beagle puppy strains against his leash and growls at his owner.

If possible, attend a Roman rite in your town and support the FSSP in Nebraska.

[ealgeone]

Check the Greek behind this. It doesn't support what Catholics claim. Also we see how this was actually done in Acts by Peter. If you keep the NT in context you will understand the Word.

Still waiting to see if you believe His promises in John 5:24. Should be a simple yes or no answer.

[ebb tide]

[22] For neither doth the Father judge any man, but hath given all judgment to the Son. [23] That all men may honour the Son, as they honour the Father. He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father, who hath sent him. [24] Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life. John; Chapter 5.

I believe in all of Christ's promises, not just some of them as the prots do, e.g. the sacrament of Confession. And I don't believe prots honour the Son by rejecting the Church he founded and just going "cowboy" on their own.

[ealgeone]

You finally answered a question. Glad you affirm John 5:24. Now, show us where Christ said one has to be a member of the roman catholic church.

[ebb tide]

You’re jumping threads again. And I will not participate in your attempt to derail this one.

I will address your question in the original thread.

[Fedora]

Here is the Greek: ἄν τινων ἀφῆτε τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἀφέωνται αὐτοῖς ἄν τινων κρατῆτε κεκράτηνται which literally translates: "If of any you might forgive the sins, they are forgiven, if any you might retain, they are retained." What part of this are you claiming "doesn't support what Catholics claim"?

[ealgeone]

Break down the verbs...in the Greek.

[ealgeone]

I will await your answer.

[Fedora]

ἀφῆτε you might forgive ἀφέωνται they are forgiven κρατῆτε you might retain κεκράτηνται they are retained

[ebb tide]

Done.