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[Elsie]

I’d like to; but I’ve not got any better suggestions than what Bing or Google would give you.

[Elsie]

--- is not Biblical, and is not reflected in these readings. Where did you get that?

Do you REALLY want to go here?

[Elsie]

 

The Bible says that the Lord descended into hell (by this is meant not the fiery-eternal hell of the demons, but, more generally, the abode of the dead)

 

Whew!!

I'm glad THIS is explained!

[Elsie]

I understand this to mean that everyone who died from Adam and Eve, to Christ's ascension, were given an opportunity to hear the Gospel and follow and thus receive from His merciful hands the gift of salvation.

No
no
NO!!!

This is what the Mormon dead dunking (derisive term) is for!!!

[Mrs. Don-o]

I'm not going to comment on Mormon creed and practice, because I am not Mormon, I don't know much about Mormon ways, and there is no Mormon here to provide a correct understanding.

But what do *you* think of the OT people in heaven --- which is described as a Wedding Feast where we will take our places alongside Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

[Mrs. Don-o]

You’re welcome.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Mary defeats Satan single-handedly," and "Eve thrown under the bus" are really ridiculous concepts. I was wondering where Bipolar Bob had heard that. Sometimes the source turns out to be a little cartoon booklet found on the Dr. Pepper machine at a local gas station.

[Mrs. Don-o]

And as for that gas station, I really don’t want to go there unless I need to — um -— “go” there.

[Elsie]

But what do *you* think of the OT people in heaven

No one really cares what I "think".

[Elsie]

Sometimes the source turns out to be a little cartoon booklet found on the Dr. Pepper machine at a local gas station.

And sometimes it isn't...

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Besides the Indulgences attached to the Rosary, Our Lady revealed to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche additional benefits for those who devoutly pray the Rosary. Our Lady's promise is shown in darker blue text. Additional explanation on and doctrinal connections to each promise is shown following in the smaller normal text font and color. Note that the Rosary is the prayer (non-Liturgical) with the most published Magisterial / Papal documents expounding on its excellence. Vatican II's summary on Our Lady is contained in Lumen Gentium chapter VIII.

1.	Whosoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces. Signal Graces are those special and unique Graces to help sanctify us in our state in life. See the remaining promises for an explanation for which these will consist. St. Louis de Montfort states emphatically that the best and fastest way to union with Our Lord is via Our Lady [True Devotion to Mary, chapter four].
2.	I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. Our Lady is our Advocate and the channel of all God's Grace to us. Our Lady is simply highlighting that She will watch especially over us who pray the Rosary. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62) [a great more detail is available on this topic in True Devotion to Mary, chapter four, by St. Louis de Montfort]
3.	The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin and defeat heresies. This promise, along with the next, is simply the reminder on how fervent prayer will help us all grow in holiness by avoiding sin, especially a prayer with the excellence of the Rosary. An increase in holiness necessarily requires a reduction in sin, vice, and doctrinal errors (heresies). If only the Modernists could be convinced to pray the Rosary! (see Lumen Gentium chapter V - The Call to Holiness #42) St. Louis de Montfort states "Since Mary alone crushed all heresies, as we are told by the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary)..." [True Devotion to Mary #167]
4.	It will cause good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire for Eternal Things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. This promise, along with the previous, is the positive part, that being to live in virtue. Becoming holy is not only avoiding sin, but also growing in virtue. (see Lumen Gentium chapter V - The Call to Holiness #42)
5.	The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish. Since Our Lady is our Mother and Advocate, She always assists those who call on Her implicitly by praying the Rosary. The Church reminds us of this in the Memorare prayer, "... never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help or sought your intercession, was left unaided ..."
6.	Whosoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of Eternal Life. This promise highlights the magnitude of Graces that the Rosary brings to whomever prays it. One will draw down God's Mercy rather than His Justice and will have a final chance to repent (see promise #7). One will not be conquered by misfortune means that Our Lady will obtain for the person sufficient Graces to handle said misfortune (i.e. carry the Crosses allowed by God) without falling into despair. As Sacred Scripture tells us, "For my yoke is sweet and my burden light." (Matthew 11:30)
7.	Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church. This promise highlights the benefits of obtaining the most possible Graces at the hour of death via the Sacraments of Confession, Eucharist, and Extreme Unction (Anointing of the Sick). Being properly disposed while receiving these Sacraments near death ensures one's salvation (although perhaps with a detour through Purgatory) since a final repentance is possible.
8.	Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the Light of God and the plenitude of His Graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the Merits of the Saints in Paradise. Our Lady highlights the great quantity of Graces obtain through praying the Rosary, which assist us during life and at the moment of death. The merits of the Saints are the gift of God's rewards to those persons who responded to His Grace that they obtained during life, and so Our Lady indicates that She will provide a share of that to us at death. With this promise and #7 above, Our Lady is providing the means for the person to have a very holy death.
9.	I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary. Should one require Purgatorial cleansing after death, Our Lady will make a special effort to obtain our release from Purgatory through Her intercession as Advocate.
10.	The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of Glory in Heaven. This promise is a logical consequence of promises #3 and #4 since anyone who truly lives a holier life on earth will obtain a higher place in Heaven. The closer one is to God while living on earth, the close that person is to Him also in Heaven. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states "Spiritual progress tends toward ever more union with Christ." (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 2014)
11.	You shall obtain all you ask of me by recitation of the Rosary. This promise emphasizes Our Lady's role as our Advocate and Mediatrix of all Graces. Of course, all requests are subject to God's Most Perfect Will. God will always grant our request if it is beneficial for our soul, and Our Lady will only intercede for us when our request is good for our salvation. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62)
12.	All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities. If one promotes the praying of the Rosary, Our Lady emphasizes Her Maternal care for us by obtaining many Graces (i.e. spiritual necessities) and also material necessities (neither excess nor luxury), all subject to the Will of God of course.
13.	I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death. Since Our Lady is our Advocate, She brings us additional assistance during our life and at our death from all the saints in Heaven (the Communion of Saints). See paragraphs 954 through 959 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
14.	All who recite the Rosary are my Sons, and brothers of my Only Son Jesus Christ. Since the Rosary is a most excellent prayer focused on Jesus and His Life and activities in salvation history, it brings us closer to Our Lord and Our Lady. Doctrinally, Our Lady is our Mother and Jesus is our Eldest Brother, besides being our God. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62)
15.	Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination. Predestination in this context means that, by the sign which is present to a person from the action of devoutly praying the Rosary, God has pre-ordained your salvation. Absolute certainty of salvation can only be truly known if God reveals it to a person because, although we are given sufficient Grace during life, our salvation depends upon our response to said Grace. (See Summa Theologica, Question 23 for a detailed theological explanation). Said another way, if God has guaranteed a person's salvation but has not revealed it to Him, God would want that person to pray the Rosary because of all the benefits and Graces obtained. Therefore the person gets a hint by devotion to the Rosary. This is not to say that praying the Rosary guarantees salvation - by no means. In looking at promises #3 and #4 above, praying the Rosary helps one to live a holy life, which is itself a great sign that a soul is on the road to salvation. (See also paragraphs 381, 488, 600, 2782 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.) In fact, St. Louis de Montfort says even more strongly that "an infallible and unmistakable sign by which we can distinguish a heretic, a man of false doctrine, an enemy of God, from one of God's true friends is that the hardened sinner and heretic show nothing but contempt and indifference to Our Lady..." [True Devotion to Mary, #30]

Reminder: these promises mean that, by faithfully and devoutly praying the Rosary,

Our Lady will obtain for us the necessary Graces to obtain said promises.

It is still up to each individual soul to respond to those Graces in order to obtain salvation.

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http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/prayer/15promise.htm

[Mrs. Don-o]

Which proves what? I'll tell you what it doesn't prove: it doesn't prove that "Mary defeats Satan single-handedly," and "Eve thrown under the bus"...

But I think you did not read what I wrote back here at >#251

That should put things in a proper perspective --- which is always a Christ-centric perspective.

[Mrs. Don-o]

If I didn’t care what you think, Elsie, I wouldn’t have asked.

[BipolarBob]

"She shall crush your head, while you shall lie in wait for her heel," God said to the serpent (16).

What Bible verse is that? Mine says HE shall crush the snakes head.

It was precisely she (ipsa) who "with the grace of almighty God" (Lumen Gentium, 56) and with her "immaculate foot" (Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus) crushed the head of the infernal serpent.

Now Mary has an immaculate foot in which SHE crushed the head of the infernal serpent. She is sounding more and more like a deity to me.

[Mrs. Don-o]

First of all, please name the author and article you're quoting from, and if possible, give the link where you found it. It's surely somebody commenting on Scripture, papal encyclicals and other documents, but I'd like it read it in the context in which you found it..

Second, is "with the grace of Almighty God" a synonym for "single-handed" in your book?

Third, you might have missed the first axiom of Catholic Marian studies, that every revealed OT prophecy or fact "finds its realization in Jesus." That means that everything said of Mary is predicated on Christ's power, which is manifest in His Incarnation, in which Mary His Mother is the unique co-operator.

Did you get that? It's the most important fact you can know about Marian studies.

You might want to go back and read everything from the beginning again, with that hermeneutical key firmly in mind.

What it means is that whether the ipsa in Genesis 3:15 refers to "the Woman" as its precedent, or to "her seed" (which could be male or female or neuter, singular or collectively plural) it is Christ who is the victor over sin and death, and thus Christ who definitively crushes Satan's head.

In other words, even if "ipsa" is grammatically applied to refer to the Woman, she is cooperating in this act by virtue of her maternity, that is, by providing for the incarnation of God's son, Jesus Christ. It is her Seed, her Son, God's Son, Who by His Passion and Death, and His glorious Resurrection, accomplishes the redemption of the world.

BTW, the Catholic Bible on my desk right now, the New American Bible, translates "ipsa" as "he" (rather than the grammatically-plausible "he", "it" or "they").

The King James Bible (KJV), as you can see here (LINK), translates "ipsa" as "it". This is also true of the Authorized King James Version (AKJV) and the Orthodox Jewish Bible (as you can see AKJV and OJB versions (LINK)

The oldest of the translations, the Wycliffe version (LINK) translates it two ways: as "her" and as "her seed."

Most of the rest say "he" and "his."

All of this goes to show two things. It shows that the word "ipsa" cannot, from the text itself, be translated dispositively as regards its precedent-word. And it shows that whether it refers to he, she, it, they, or her seed, it points to Christ (the Woman's offspring) carrying out this saving act.

This is made possible by His Incarnation, of which Mary was the key cooperator. Hence His victory, as Son of Man, Son of God, is also a victory for the Woman in which she is uniquely associated by His grace as Mother of the Incarnate Word.

[BipolarBob]

http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/2008/10/the-mystery-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-in-the-old-testament/

[BipolarBob]

What it means is that whether the ipsa in Genesis 3:15 refers to "the Woman" as its precedent, or to "her seed" (which could be male or female or neuter, singular or collectively plural) it is Christ who is the victor over sin and death, and thus Christ who definitively crushes Satan's head.

If we know it is Christ - not Mary - that crushes the head, then why bring her into it at all? Why bring up gender grammar when we KNOW it was Him and Him alone? Nothing in the Bible suggests that Jesus had a co-operator or co-redemtrix in His defeat of Satan. The Glory belongs to Him and Him alone. Not give the glory to Mary and then she passes it off.

[Mrs. Don-o]

And Mary said,
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.
For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
for he who is mighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
And his mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.

He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
he has brought down the mighty from their thrones
and exalted those of humble estate;
he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.

He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,
as he spoke to our fathers,
to Abraham and to his offspring forever.

It's not "we" who brought Blessed Mary into it, it's God who brought her into it. She is--- on behalf of Faithful Israel and on behalf of the human race --- the cooperator with the Incarnation.

Everything else flows from that.

When we celebrate that, we are glorifying God for the "Great Things" he has done for her.

It seems to be that a healthy human attitude is to be grateful for this lowly one whom God raised up. And not to resent her or try to "level" her, as if God had no business raising her, and we need to push her back down to the dust.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you.

[BipolarBob]

And not to resent her
There's that unfair accusation again

or try to "level" her
By using the examples in the Bible, we are shown not to esteem one person above another. God doesn't do that. Acts 10:34 neither should we.

as if God had no business raising her
Somebody is judging God, now? I don't think so. More like judging anothers doctrine that is not in harmony with the Gospel.

and we need to push her back down to the dust.
Another false accusation against a brother.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I wrote: "It seems to be that a healthy human attitude is to be grateful for this lowly one whom God raised up. And not to resent her or try to 'level' her, as if God had no business raising her, and we need to push her back down to the dust."

None of those statements are accusations. They are exhortations.

If I say we should not "resent" Mary, I am not saying, "Bipolar Bob resents Mary." If I say we should not try to "level" Mary, I am not saying, "Bipolar Bob is leveling Mary."

This is a general exhortation for any reader to ponder: we should rejoice that He who is mighty has done great things for her. We should glorify God by recounting to every generation how God has raised her up. We should ot envy her for her extraordinary gifts from the hands of Gos.

If that statement strikes you awkwardly, it might be a "if the shoe fits" moment. Or not.

But that is not for me to judge.