if this keeps up, his term might be cut short...
Posted on 10/17/2015 1:49:40 PM PDT by Legatus
Since the beginning of the pontificate of Pope Francis – or could we coin a new phrase? The “periphery of Pope Francis”? – I have been saying that his aim is to weaken the Roman Curia. HERE and HERE and HERE are examples.
Today Francis addressed members of the Synod, et al., on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Synod of Bishops.
I think this speech (HERE) may be a turning point of some kind. I don’t know what kind, yet.
(Excerpt) Read more at wdtprs.com ...
Changing from a straightforward Monarchy to a Delphi technique driven progressive class rule would be a giant step backwards. Pope Francis, you want something, you have to own it.
if this keeps up, his term might be cut short...
Catholicism is dead
You can't retrieve a history from the embers already burnt, nor stop the continueing conflagration
Unless you can find a Pope Trump !
That may sound sacriligious, but I think it's more true than not.
I don't think we can pin that on pope Francis, but that will be the end result if he decentralizes everything to episcopal conferences.
I am seeing the Anglican crisis Catholic style.
Oh goody. Another hope change kind of guy
From the beginning of my ministry as Bishop of Rome I intended to enhance the Synod, which constitutes one of the most precious legacies of the last conciliar assembly (i.e. Vatican II)...
The sensus fidei prevents a rigid separation between the Teaching Church and the Learning Church, since even the possesses its knack (sense of smell, sniffing out ability- fiuto) to discern the new paths that the Lord is opening up to the Church.
It was this conviction that guided me when I prayed that the People of God would be consulted in the preparation of the twin synodal meeting on the family, as is and was usually done with every “Lineamenta” (guiding document). Certainly, a consultation of this kind would in no way be enough to hear the sensus fidei...
Synodality, as a constitutive dimension of the Church, offers us the more fitting interpretive framework to understand the same hierarchical ministry. [He was speaking of it earlier on.] If we understand what St. John Chrysostom said, “Church and Synod are synonymous..."
The second level is that of Provinces and Ecclesiastical Regions, of Particular (local?) Councils and, in a special way, Episcopal Conferences. We must reflect in order to bring about even more, through these bodies, the intermediate applications of collegiality, even by integrating and updating some aspects of ancient ecclesiastical ordering. The wish of the Council that such organisms would help contribute to the increase of the spirit of episcopal collegiality has not yet been fully realized. As I have asserted, in a Synodal Church “it is not opportune that the Pope replace the local Episcopates in the discernment of all the problems that present themselves in their territories. In this sense, I feel the necessity to proceed in a healthy “decentralization...”
Our gaze extends also to humanity. A synodal church is like a banner raised among the nations (cf Isaiah 11:12) in a world which, even though invoking participation, solidarity and transparency in the administration of the public good, often consigns the destiny of entire populations into the greedy hands of restricted groups of the powerful. As a Church that “walks together” with men, participates in the travails of history, let us cultivate the dream that the rediscovery of the inviolable dignity of peoples and the exercise of service of authority will be able to help also civil society to be built upon justice and on fraternity, generating a more beautiful world, more worthy of mankind and for the generations that will come after us...
Thanks for that, we are so screwed.
Very painful. Ladies and gentlemen, we have just witnessed the break-up of the Church - at the instigation of its Pope. It’s ending not with a bang but a whimper, done in by some petty, ignorant Argentine-Italian nobody. Who could have foreseen that?
The Church will survive, because believe me, even as we speak, there are cardinals frantically tweeting each other or even making hasty trips across Rome to meet somewhere secure, and something will emerge. More than one is probably referring to Robert Ballarmine, others are probably looking into procedures for a new conclave, etc. and there may be a time when the Church will have to continue without a pope - it has happened before, especially when there have been multiple contenders. And don’t forget, we still have a Pope, a real one, living at the Vatican. I hope his food tasters are on duty and he doesn’t go the way of JPI.
Francis cannot get rid of all the faithful bishops and cardinals at once, or certainly not in time to prevent them from fighting back. And I think there are many of them who will.
From the comments:
It’s ironic that the Synod on the Family is proving to be a divorce in the Church.
“Thanks for that, we are so screwed.”
Really? You honestly think so?
I have never agreed with anything the convert priest Zuhlsdorf says, until now. It may well be exactly what Pope Francis is heading towards, which is a thoroughly Eastern Christian/Orthodox system.
I hope it works and in some areas it will, but the Western division of the Church of Rome is finished. You folks either won’t care or will walk away because in all honesty, what the Pope is proposing is 180 degrees off what you have been used to since the Middle Ages.
” I think this speech may be a turning point of some kind. I don’t know what kind, yet. “
IF this is a true report, it is a huge issue. At best it means a system like the Orthodox, but I doubt the powers will allow that. It will most likely lead to an open schism where there has been a hidden one.
Further "Collegiality"? You mean further down the slippery slope that was Vatican II?
It amazes me that most Catholics still don't see that the foundation for these recent developments was laid decades ago.
Then hope for the best.
[:-)===== (Orthodox mononastic smiley)
Fumble fingers here... make that “Orthodox monastic smiley”.
Yet you ostentatiously ignored the entreaties of 800,000+ faithful who signed the "filial appeal" begging you to safeguard Church teaching.
Exactly.
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