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To: Legatus

“Thanks for that, we are so screwed.”

Really? You honestly think so?

I have never agreed with anything the convert priest Zuhlsdorf says, until now. It may well be exactly what Pope Francis is heading towards, which is a thoroughly Eastern Christian/Orthodox system.

I hope it works and in some areas it will, but the Western division of the Church of Rome is finished. You folks either won’t care or will walk away because in all honesty, what the Pope is proposing is 180 degrees off what you have been used to since the Middle Ages.


13 posted on 10/17/2015 3:16:53 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (")
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To: Kolokotronis

IF this is a true report, it is a huge issue. At best it means a system like the Orthodox, but I doubt the powers will allow that. It will most likely lead to an open schism where there has been a hidden one.


15 posted on 10/17/2015 4:02:04 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kolokotronis; The_Reader_David

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I don’t think I would describe what Francis is doing as Orthodox. When we hold synods we don’t stack then with neo-Marxists, bishops known to have covered up for sexual predators, and open advocates of sodomitical “marriage.” While there is a legitimate difference in both theology and praxis on subjects like marriage between Rome and Orthodoxy, I don’t know of any Orthodox bishop who has ever openly advocated that anyone should be allowed to take communion as long as their conscience says its OK, irrespective of the teaching of the Church. Nor would any Orthodox bishop be advocating communion for the divorced and civilly remarried. The revisionist Latin bishops keep saying they want to adopt our discipline, but they don’t. We may permit second marriages following a divorce and penance, but we don’t commune those who just remarry in front of the town clerk.

The real danger here is not that the Latins want to cut some slack to the divorced and remarried, but that they want to do away with essentially all Eucharistic discipline. I am sorry but that is not Orthodox! They want to say something that they have always understood to be a sin, is still a sin, but it’s OK to take Holy Communion anyway if your conscience tells you that what you are doing is right and that the Church’s teaching is wrong.

It is not Orthodoxy that this Pope seems to be trying to emulate so much as the Anglicans. IMHO the Roman Church is in a serious crisis.


24 posted on 10/17/2015 7:59:26 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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