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Why the Orthodox Honor Mary
Glory to God for All Things ^ | 07-30-2015 | Fr. Stephen Freeman

Posted on 07/31/2015 5:03:48 PM PDT by NRx

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1 posted on 07/31/2015 5:03:48 PM PDT by NRx
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To: NRx

See also the comment thread at the source page.


2 posted on 07/31/2015 5:04:32 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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They share the bond of the coming Cross. His life will be offered, a sword will pierce her soul. And once He begins, nothing can stop the movement to Golgotha. Her response is simple: “Do whatever He tells you.” It is a repetition of her earlier, “Be it unto me according to your word.” Her complete humility and self-emptying before God is a human reflection of the self-emptying of Christ on the Cross. With this new “fiat,” the inexorable journey to the Cross begins.

Cool, I hadn't thought of that.

3 posted on 07/31/2015 5:12:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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To: NRx

What always puzzles me is people claiming Luke 11:28 means Mary was nobody special. It is so obvious, in the context of Luke 1:38. that in Luke 11:28 Jesus is telling us to look to Mary!


4 posted on 07/31/2015 5:17:38 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Exsurge, Domine, et judica causam tuam)
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God has a mother ?


5 posted on 07/31/2015 5:18:48 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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From a comment by the author at the source: ... 1 Kings 17:18 (3 Kings 17:18 on the LXX), when Elijah has come to the widow of Zarephath when her son had died. She says to him, “What is this between you and me” (or however it is to be translated – but in the Greek the quote is word for word). Christ’s statement to his Mother at the Wedding, invokes the Widow’s son (Mary at this point is a widow). It is an oblique reference that says, “If we start this, your son will die.” Indeed the Widow asks, “Have you come to bring my sin to remembrance and to kill my son?”

We read this passage in the Catholic lectionary fairly recently, and I particularly noticed this last line, "Have you come to bring my sin to remembrance ...?" I wonder what her sin was, and why she thought it was reasonable to expect that her son would die because of it.

6 posted on 07/31/2015 5:24:07 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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If you believe that Jesus Christ was both human and divine, yes.


7 posted on 07/31/2015 5:29:25 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: NRx; xzins; Tax-chick

“In Orthodoxy, these doctrines are living realities. It is of little importance to acknowledge that someone is, in fact, my mother. It is of the utmost importance that I honor my mother (by Divine command) and love her. We do not think doctrine. Doctrine is a description of the realities by which we live. We venerate the Theotokos because, knowing what we know, we cannot do otherwise.”

I don’t like Fr. Freeman at all. But I must admit that the foregoing, in manner of speaking, describes Orthodoxy, “In Orthodoxy, these doctrines are living realities” and “We do not think doctrine. Doctrine is a description of the realities by which we live.” Orthodoxy is everything about us. It defines us. My mother, of blessed memory, always said, “In Greece people walk Orthodox!”

It’s different.


8 posted on 07/31/2015 5:36:38 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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Yes, it’s definitely different!

I should have expected that if something made sense to me, you probably didn’t like it ;-).


9 posted on 07/31/2015 5:58:07 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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Yes, and a grandmother!

And ancestors going all the way back to David, Abraham, Noah, Adam.

Because--- we're talking about Jesus, right? My Lord and my God!

And He created them all!

10 posted on 07/31/2015 5:58:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: Kolokotronis

Well-said, Kolo. Food for profound thought.


11 posted on 07/31/2015 6:00:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To venerate the Theotokos is an inherent part of rightly believing in the Incarnation of the God-Man. To ignore her as Theotokos is to hold a diminished and inadequate understanding of the Incarnation.

I really don't think so. Paul says of Jesus in Colossians 2:9 "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form". I hardly think Paul's description of the incarnation would be 'diminished and inadequate' because he didn't mention Mary.

12 posted on 07/31/2015 6:11:40 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: knarf
God has a mother ?

Why does God need a spaceship?

13 posted on 07/31/2015 7:03:36 PM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: NRx
I once read that the teaching about the Assumption of Mary came from St. Thomas (you know, "that" Thomas...*doubting* Thomas).

Comments? Corrections?

14 posted on 07/31/2015 8:04:36 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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If you believe that Jesus Christ was both human and divine, yes.

If you believe God is self-existent (which he is), no.
15 posted on 07/31/2015 8:06:52 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: NRx

**If you believe that Jesus Christ was both human**

...the part that Mary had something to do with.....

**and divine**

...the part that Mary had absolutely nothing to do with.

The Son of God declared that EVERY single divine quality he displayed was his Father that dwells in him. God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24,25), and not a man; but dwells in Christ reconciling the world unto himself (2Cor. 5:19).

Further proof: Neither Jesus Christ, nor his apostles and writers of the NT, EVER used the phrase “God the Son”.


16 posted on 07/31/2015 8:07:43 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Kolokotronis

In the Evangelical Church, we honor Mary because we understand that without her, Jesus would not have been able to walk on the earth as a human and deity. But, in order for Jesus to suffer and die on the cross for all mankind, Jesus had to be a human like us (the ones he was dying for).

Mary was a precious, virgin girl. She believed in GOD and was willing to birth Jesus, even though she did not understand what GOD was really doing.

Joseph, on the other hand, died before Jesus. That means Joseph was in Paradise (because his faith was accounted to him as Righteousness), and Joseph was able to greet Jesus when He entered into Paradise, and then Jesus led all the saints into Heaven with Him. I’ve always wondered if Joseph had any idea this event was going to happen?


17 posted on 07/31/2015 8:10:16 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: NRx

IMHO Mother Mary was a vessel for our lord and savior. She did provide any chromosomes to Jesus, God indwell ed in her.


18 posted on 07/31/2015 8:20:57 PM PDT by freeonefrom (God bless America and our troops.)
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Hmmmm ..?? Did you say Mary didn’t provide any human matter to Jesus ..??

If that’s what you’re saying; then NOBODY COULD GET SAVED BECAUSE JESUS DIDN’T HAVE ANY HUMAN COMPONENTS - MEANING HE COULD NOT DIE FOR US TO PARDON US .. BECAUSE HE HAD NO PART OF US (through Mary).

And .. maybe you should go to the library and read some of the books about conception .. and what takes place.


19 posted on 07/31/2015 8:52:12 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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If you believe that Jesus Christ was both human and divine, yes.

Isn't Orthodox Christianity split on this matter? With Eastern going one way and Oriental the other?

20 posted on 07/31/2015 8:56:09 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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