Posted on 07/31/2015 5:03:48 PM PDT by NRx
The answer to that depends on whether or not you believe Jesus Christ is God.
I believe Jesus Christ is God, therefore God has a mother.
He is Divinity even when he was conceived by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb. So if he is under the law like the scriptures say he has to obey all commandments. He could not be sinless Messiah without keeping the ten commandments which especially has him to honor his Mother and Father. So God had a mother the minute he became man by a woman.
Which is First John 4. The test for the antichrist spirit would be to deny his Divinity in the flesh/humanness.
So yes She is the Mother of God when he entered her by conception by The Holy Spirit. If he has no mother you got no Saviour because it is the law he was born under.
Yes and no. Virtually all of the Oriental Orthodox are Miaphysites, or better said Non-Chalcedonians. They believe that the divine and human natures of Christ are completely combined without any remaining distinction. Greek Orthodox, for example, believe that Christ has two natures, fully human and fully divine.
This has pretty much become a distinction without a difference, words of men trying to express the nature of God with each trying to do their best initially to fight Nestorianism. I can go to an Oriental Orthodox parish and receive the sacraments if an Orthodox parish isn't available and the same goes for the Oriental Orthodox. We have Armenians, Ethiopians and Egyptians in our parish who are technically Non-Chalcedonians and they are fully involved.
It has never ceased to amaze me that the Theotokos held ώ ΌN, "The Being Who Created Beingness", in her womb!
“I once read that the teaching about the Assumption of Mary came from St. Thomas (you know, “that” Thomas...*doubting* Thomas).”
Not that I have ever heard, but that doesn’t mean that he didn’t preach about it. I did hear that he was in Jerusalem when she died and angels transported him to Ephesus to be at her funeral.
Here’s an icon of the Dormition. Notice Christ holding his mother’s soul:
http://acrod.org/assets/images/Iconimages/Dormition1.jpg
What, do you suppose, that will be .... considering how close we seem to be in prophetic history to Anti-Christ's emergeance ?
The Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ teaches that the false prophet under anti-Christ will have a church ... a religion ....
What, do you suppose, that will be .... considering how close we seem to be in prophetic history to Anti-Christ’s emergeance ?
Mary’s promise #1 for praying the Rosary:
Whoever shall faithfully SERVE ME(Mary) by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces
Would the mother of God contradict Him when He was confronting Satan in Luke 4:8 and used His Sword to rebuke satan with these old testament words?
8 And Yahshua answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship YHWH thy God, and HIM ONLY shalt thou SERVE.
I guess it depends on the definition of the word serve...
That promise seems to contradict the Word made flesh when He was quoting from the Word.
Maybe people start with the wrong premise. Maybe this Mary people ‘honor’ is an identity thief and points to another Jesus, also an identity thief..
John 4
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Mary is the mother of God in the flesh which is Jesus, but God was here from the beginning.
Doubting Thomas, the Apostle, or Thomas Aquinas?
The Apostle Thomas, “called Didymus.”
Constantinople is built on seven hills and was the last seat of the Roman Empire but for some reason a whole crowd of already deluded folks just can't put the religion of Satan and Constantinople together because that doesn't sell nearly as many books as alternative totally absurd conspiracy theories.
Hope that answers your question, if not, don't be afraid to go to Walid Shoebat's site and learn something there.
What would be even more deceitful is if Satan is running all religion. Like a three card monte game and the only way to see it- come out of it.
The birth and death of Jesus was a PLAN. ONLY GOD KNEW WHAT THE PLAN WAS .. AND HE CLEVERLY NEVER TOLD ANYBODY.
Imagine .. not even Gabriel really knew what Jesus’ mission was (to die for the salvation of humanity), to pay for the sins of mankind.
GOD kept it a secret for this reason: If Satan had known what Jesus was up to .. SATAN WOULD NEVER HAVE KILLED JESUS.
And now that Satan knows,he has created ANOTHER Jesus.
One that has all the words and deeds of the Word Made Flesh. But only when one holds the fake Jesus up to the Light can they see the counterfeit.
The real Word made flesh wasn’t born on Rome’s December 25./ and wasn’t killed on good Friday. Or raised on Easter Sunday..
And all one would have to do is look in the Word to find the real days, not the counterfeits
I know who Thomas called Didymus was. Kolokotronis is saying (post 25) that Didymus is the source of the teaching about the Assumption of Mary.
I had thought it was Aquinas, so I searched some sources. I was wrong. Aquinas validated the belief, but he wasn’t the source, but neither, apparently, was Doubting Thomas. The Encyclopedia of Catholicism references a sixth century apocryphal text, Transitus Mariae. This text refers to several of the apostles, including Thomas, being present at Mary’s assumption, but the text was purportedly authored, not by Thomas, but by the Apostle John.
An English translation of Transitus Mariae is online. It is a fascinating read!
If there is another citation or link pointing to Thomas as the original source of the Assumption doctrine, I’d be interested in it for comparative purposes.
Many thanks to FReepers for bringing this up!
Many Protestants have made much of Christ’s reply to her: “What is this between you and me?” They have treated the statement to mean: “What business is this of yours?”
Her suggestion that he make wine hints that in her mind he was just here for her delight.
And this is also shown mark 3
31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Mary and he her step children or what ever they were were not followers of Jesus, if they had of been they would not have been with out and at any rate would not have had to ask permission to see him.
John 7
3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest .
4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly *. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.
6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come : but your time is alway ready.
7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth , because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come .
9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10 But when his brethren were gone up , then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
In the scriptures where Mary is mentioned she is with the brethren of Jesus who did not believe in him at the time.
This all must have came later espically for James and Jude and it must have taken Mary quite some time to realize that Jesus was also her savior.
I think you’ll find I said that I had never heard that the origin of the Dormition Tradition was +Thomas. So far as I know, the first Father to speak of the Dormition was +John of Damascus in the 700s.
I am not an expert on this subject, however my understanding is that St. Thomas is considered a major source of much of the story surrounding the Dormition and the Assumption. But I also believe this falls under the heady of what we might call a “pious tradition of the Church.” The Feast is kept by the the entire Church, so the Dormition itself is pretty much dogma. However the Church has never spoken with one voice on the origins of the great Feast.
typo
heady = heading
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