Does Mary Intercede for Christians?

Apologetics Press ^ | 2009 | Moisés Pinedo

[SkyDancer]

As Yeshua said:|"Nobody comes to the Father except through me"

I'm sorry but I don't need Mary to intercede for me with Yeshua. I go directly to Him.

[CynicalBear]

>>and Jesus as our Brother<<

Um......what? Pleas show support from scripture for that contention.

[SkyDancer]

Haven’t the foggiest about what your wrote. Never said anything about that.

[CynicalBear]

You were included as a courtesy ping because I was responding to a ping to you.

[SkyDancer]

Okay - sorry, probably forgot. I got some posts on some thread re: Catholic church when I wasn’t supposed to be there; invite only so I thought this was from that.

R/Janey

[Grateful2God]

Mea culpa. (My fault) I know the story. My point was that Mary spoke with Jesus in the Temple. My apologies to St. Joseph, whom I love dearly, whose intercession I pray for daily, and to whom I meant no disrespect, and to my readers for my lack of writing skills. Thanks for pointing that out!

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I have received too many favors and graces through his intercession to slight him that way. He deserves better.

Great St. Joseph, son of David, Spouse of Mary undefiled; Guardian of the Holy Family, Father of the Holy Child. God presented thee with blessings, Glorified thy life obscure; Made thee guardian of all virgins, Consolation of the poor.

Pope Pius IX proclaimed Saint Joseph the Patron of the Universal Church in 1870, the unofficial patron against doubt and hesitation, as well as the patron saint of fighting communism, and of a happy death.[57] Having died in the 'arms of Jesus and Mary' according to Catholic tradition, he is considered the model of the pious believer who receives grace at the moment of death.Saint Joseph is the patron saint of a number of cities, regions and countries, among them the Americas, Canada, China, Croatia, Mexico, Korea, Austria, Belgium, Peru, the Philippines and Vietnam, as well as of families, fathers, expectant mothers (pregnant women), travelers, immigrants, house sellers and buyers, craftsmen, engineers, and working people in general.

[Grateful2God]

"With God as our Father, and Jesus as our Brother and Savior, having Mary as our mother is a special treat."

Such a joy and a blessing!
Peace be with you!

[CynicalBear]

>>and Jesus as our Brother<<

Please show scripture to support that contention.

[CynicalBear]

>>Mary as our mother<<

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

So you disagree with what the Holy Spirit had written in scripture?

[Grateful2God]

I'm a Catholic. We believe that Jesus was BOTH divine and human. As a human, He was a descendant of Adam, and referred to the First Person of the Trinity as, "Abba," and (The, My, or Our) "Father." As part of humanity, Jesus is our Brother, as with all other members of the human race.

Our versions of Scripture in forum vary, as more often than not do our interpretations. I offer no citations here. It's simply what we believe.

God bless you!

[Grateful2God]

I agree with the Catholic Church's interpretation of Jesus' Words from the Cross: "Behold thy Mother!" I believe with all my heart, and I love her more dearly than I love anyone else, even my parents, whom I pray are in Heaven. I believe. For that belief, in my life I've been called names, been mocked along with my belief, and even categorically hated. But that does not change anything about what I believe. I pray to God I will always endure and never deny my true beliefs, because for me, it would be lying. I believe.

As previously, our versions of Scripture in forum vary, as more often than not do our interpretations. I offer no citations here. It's simply what we as Catholics believe. God bless you!

[Grateful2God]

Just an observation:

"Behold, Your father and I have been anxiously looking for You.”

If that line were to be taken literally and out of context, one could contend that Jesus was not the Son of God. A person such as myself could easily make that misinterpretation.
I am grateful for my Catholic Faith to guide me. Yes, there are faults with any "organization" religious or secular. But for me, the Deposit of Faith from the Holy Spirit down through the ages, outweighs any of these.

There are many paths to God*, and, as I've said from Day 1, I'm not here to convert anyone. May we all meet one day together in Heaven! But the illustration above is, for me, yet another reason I myself hold so dearly to my Catholic Faith.

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*The Second Vatican Council speaks of salvation outside the Church in Lumen Gentium, nos. 14 and 16. Here are the pertinent sections from those two articles: 14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved. [. . .] 16. [. . .] Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel. She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life.

[CynicalBear]

Well, that’s fair. At least you don’t claim it’s based on scripture.

[blackpacific]

Then you should ask Him what purpose His mother might have in your life.

[SkyDancer]

His mother has no purpose in my life. Yeshua is the purpose in my life.

[blackpacific]

The passage you quoted is emphasizing that we are born of a free woman Sarah and not a slave Agar. We are the spiritual children of Israel, and the children of promise. That freedom was purchased for us by Jesus Christ, but it was dependent on the “fiat” of that great and glorious second Eve, Mary, who is the mother of all those who are saved. Just as sin came to us through Eve, so also salvation came to us through Mary. Think of those great lines from Handel’s Messiah that speak of sin coming through the voluntary action of one man, and salvation coming to us through the act of the God Man:

“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. “

There are great parallels there.

[blackpacific]

But did you ask Him?

[CynicalBear]

>>The passage you quoted is emphasizing that we are born of a free woman Sarah and not a slave Agar.<<

So then Catholics put Mary in the place of Sarah?

[SkyDancer]

Why should I have to? I don’t need Mary to intercede for me with Yeshua. I have one and only one Savior. Mary fulfilled her purpose in life by giving G-d the Son his human form.

[blackpacific]

You should not be afraid to ask Him.