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Does Mary Intercede for Christians?
Apologetics Press ^ | 2009 | Moisés Pinedo

Posted on 03/24/2015 1:30:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7

It has been argued that “Mary is the creature closest to God. Moreover, while Christ is the mediator of all grace between God and creation, Mary is the mediator of all grace between Christ and humanity. Consequently, Mary is a powerful intercessor for all who turn to her” (see Zoltan, 1994, emp. added). The Bible clearly teaches that Mary is not Deity and should not be worshipped as such (see Pinedo, 2009). If she is not Deity, is she the closest human being to Deity? Does she play an active role in heaven, interceding for individual Christians? Does she make intercession for us in prayer or have an effect on our salvation?

Mary is no closer to God than any other person, past or present.

When referring to Deity, the Bible mentions only the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19; cf. Matthew 3:16-17; John 10:30; 17:21; Acts 5:3-4). Mary is never mentioned in that context. Further, the heaven where God and His angels reside (Deuteronomy 10:14; 26:15; 1 Kings 8:27,30) is not yet inhabited by human beings. Jesus said: “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man” (John 3:13, emp. added). These words represent the truth about all the people who have left this world (including Mary). No one is in heaven because heaven is reserved for all faithful servants of God since time began (cf. John 14:1-3). Not until after the Second Coming of Christ and the final Judgment will it become home for the faithful, both living and dead (Matthew 25:31-46;
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).

The idea that Mary occupies a special place in heaven, close to the Son, is a tradition. It shows a lack of understanding concerning biblical teachings on the afterlife. In Luke 16:19-31, Jesus explained that the dead (saved and lost) go to a place called “hades” (16:23, Hebrew sheol)—a spiritual waiting place that separates the consolation of the righteous (referred to as “paradise,” cf. Luke 23:43) from the torment of the wicked. In hades, the righteous begin to taste part of the joy that awaits them in eternity, while the wicked begin to taste part of the suffering that awaits them. Hades is not the dwelling place of God; God dwells in heaven. Mary, along with Abraham and other faithful servants from the past, is waiting in hades until its dead are delivered up, when the Lord returns to judge each man and woman according to his or her works (Revelation 20:13). In this spiritual realm that precedes heaven, there is nothing that those who are there can do for those who are here (Luke 16:27-31).

The gift of intercession was not given to Mary.

Catholics have given the title of “Intercessor for the Saints” to Mary, although nowhere in the Bible is it applied to her. “Intercession” means “seeking the presence and hearing of God on behalf of others” (Vine, 1966, 2:267). There are only two areas in which Christians need intercession: salvation and prayers. If Mary is now, or ever has been, involved as “Intercessor for the Saints,” there should be ample evidence in Scripture.

Concerning salvation, the apostle Peter clearly stated that “there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12, NASB). Of course, he was referring to Jesus Christ. Paul wrote: “[T]here is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). The Hebrews writer added: “Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He [Jesus] always lives to make intercession for them” (7:25). Jesus is the one and only Mediator (Intercessor) between God and Man, and He lives to continually intercede for those who come to God.

But what about prayer? Does Mary intercede in the prayers of Christians? No, she does not. This intercession also belongs to Jesus. When teaching His disciples to pray to the Father (Matthew 6:9), Jesus did not teach them to pray to (or through) Mary. And yet, Catholicism created a prayer—the “Hail Mary”—to include the words “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death.” In John 14:13-14, Jesus declared: “And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it” (cf. John 16:24). Jesus is the only One Who can mediate or intercede in our prayers, since “[a]ll things that the Father has are [His]” (John 16:15). If all things that the Father has are the Son’s, then what is left for Mary?

The prerogative of intercession supposedly given to Mary also is argued from the fact that she “interceded” before Jesus on behalf of a family at a wedding in Cana because the wine was running out during the celebration (John 2:2-3). This simple, solitary, tiny thread of argumentation, lost in a loom of confusion, has been misused extensively by the supporters of Marianism. By going to Jesus with a request for help, Mary was not intervening on behalf of anyone’s spiritual needs; she only reported the situation to Jesus. Moreover, consider Jesus’ response: “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?” (John 2:4). With these words, He emphasized that Mary’s concerns did not dictate His actions. Whatever He did in Cana that day would be according to God’s will, not because of human or motherly influences or desires.

If the situation recorded in John chapter two establishes Mary as the “Intercessor of the Saints,” what should we conclude from Matthew 8:5-13 and other passages that tell of similar circumstances? In Matthew chapter eight, a centurion “interceded” before Jesus for his servant who was in bed, paralyzed, and greatly tormented. Seeing the centurion’s faith, Jesus performed a miracle and cured the sick servant. Should we consider this centurion as the “Intercessor for the Paralytics, the Sick, and the Tormented”? Should any paralytic, or anyone suffering from physical or mental illness, pray to this man of great faith, asking him to intercede with God on their behalf? [The Bible further condemns the act of invoking the dead (cf. Deuteronomy 18:10-13; 1 Chronicles 10:13-14; Isaiah 8:19).] Neither this centurion, nor Abraham, nor Mary, nor anyone else—living or dead—can intercede before the throne of God in favor of the faithful Christian, except Jesus Christ Himself.

Mary, like all men and women, needed intercession.

In Luke 1:47, Mary raised her voice and declared: “My spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior” (emp. added). If she had a Savior, then she needed salvation. And, if she needed salvation, then she also needed the only Intercessor of salvation—Jesus Christ (Hebrews 7:25). Therefore, Mary’s condition was no different from every human being before or after her. She sinned (Romans 3:23), and she needed the only Intercessor who could make peace between her and God (2 Corinthians 5:18-19; Colossians 1:20). Just as Jesus “interceded” on behalf of Mary before He died to make sure her physical needs were met (John 19:26-27), He interceded on her behalf to make sure her spiritual needs were met. Mary cannot intercede for any Christian since she, herself, needed intercession.

Finally, although Christians are commanded to pray for one another (1 Thessalonians 5:25; Hebrews 13:18; James 5:16), Jesus is our only Mediator in prayer. Through Him our prayers are answered.

REFERENCES

Pinedo, Moisés (2009), “Is Mary the Mother of God?” [On-line], URL: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/240077.

Vine, W.E. (1966), An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (Old Tappan, NJ: Fleming H. Revell).

Zoltan, Abraham (1994), “A Detailed Guide to Our Lady’s Rosary,” [On-line], URL: http://www.blessedtrinityorlando.org/rosary.html.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicdoctrine; christiandoctrine; christianity; intercession; mariology; mary; prayer; worship
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To: blackpacific
As Yeshua said:|"Nobody comes to the Father except through me"

I'm sorry but I don't need Mary to intercede for me with Yeshua. I go directly to Him.

81 posted on 03/26/2015 6:53:27 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: blackpacific; SkyDancer
>>and Jesus as our Brother<<

Um......what? Pleas show support from scripture for that contention.

82 posted on 03/26/2015 6:58:48 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Haven’t the foggiest about what your wrote. Never said anything about that.


83 posted on 03/26/2015 7:55:02 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: SkyDancer

You were included as a courtesy ping because I was responding to a ping to you.


84 posted on 03/26/2015 8:02:27 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Okay - sorry, probably forgot. I got some posts on some thread re: Catholic church when I wasn’t supposed to be there; invite only so I thought this was from that.

R/Janey


85 posted on 03/26/2015 8:26:24 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: ealgeone
Mea culpa. (My fault) I know the story. My point was that Mary spoke with Jesus in the Temple. My apologies to St. Joseph, whom I love dearly, whose intercession I pray for daily, and to whom I meant no disrespect, and to my readers for my lack of writing skills. Thanks for pointing that out!

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I have received too many favors and graces through his intercession to slight him that way. He deserves better.

Great St. Joseph, son of David, Spouse of Mary undefiled; Guardian of the Holy Family, Father of the Holy Child. God presented thee with blessings, Glorified thy life obscure; Made thee guardian of all virgins, Consolation of the poor.

Pope Pius IX proclaimed Saint Joseph the Patron of the Universal Church in 1870, the unofficial patron against doubt and hesitation, as well as the patron saint of fighting communism, and of a happy death.[57] Having died in the 'arms of Jesus and Mary' according to Catholic tradition, he is considered the model of the pious believer who receives grace at the moment of death.Saint Joseph is the patron saint of a number of cities, regions and countries, among them the Americas, Canada, China, Croatia, Mexico, Korea, Austria, Belgium, Peru, the Philippines and Vietnam, as well as of families, fathers, expectant mothers (pregnant women), travelers, immigrants, house sellers and buyers, craftsmen, engineers, and working people in general.

86 posted on 03/26/2015 12:37:19 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: blackpacific
"With God as our Father, and Jesus as our Brother and Savior, having Mary as our mother is a special treat."

Such a joy and a blessing!
Peace be with you!

87 posted on 03/26/2015 12:43:45 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God
>>and Jesus as our Brother<<

Please show scripture to support that contention.

88 posted on 03/26/2015 12:49:13 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Grateful2God; blackpacific
>>Mary as our mother<<

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

So you disagree with what the Holy Spirit had written in scripture?

89 posted on 03/26/2015 12:51:39 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
I'm a Catholic. We believe that Jesus was BOTH divine and human. As a human, He was a descendant of Adam, and referred to the First Person of the Trinity as, "Abba," and (The, My, or Our) "Father." As part of humanity, Jesus is our Brother, as with all other members of the human race.

Our versions of Scripture in forum vary, as more often than not do our interpretations. I offer no citations here. It's simply what we believe.

God bless you!

90 posted on 03/26/2015 1:09:32 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: CynicalBear
I agree with the Catholic Church's interpretation of Jesus' Words from the Cross: "Behold thy Mother!" I believe with all my heart, and I love her more dearly than I love anyone else, even my parents, whom I pray are in Heaven. I believe. For that belief, in my life I've been called names, been mocked along with my belief, and even categorically hated. But that does not change anything about what I believe. I pray to God I will always endure and never deny my true beliefs, because for me, it would be lying. I believe.

As previously, our versions of Scripture in forum vary, as more often than not do our interpretations. I offer no citations here. It's simply what we as Catholics believe. God bless you!

91 posted on 03/26/2015 1:27:58 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: ealgeone
Just an observation:

"Behold, Your father and I have been anxiously looking for You.”

If that line were to be taken literally and out of context, one could contend that Jesus was not the Son of God. A person such as myself could easily make that misinterpretation.
I am grateful for my Catholic Faith to guide me. Yes, there are faults with any "organization" religious or secular. But for me, the Deposit of Faith from the Holy Spirit down through the ages, outweighs any of these.

There are many paths to God*, and, as I've said from Day 1, I'm not here to convert anyone. May we all meet one day together in Heaven! But the illustration above is, for me, yet another reason I myself hold so dearly to my Catholic Faith.


*The Second Vatican Council speaks of salvation outside the Church in Lumen Gentium, nos. 14 and 16. Here are the pertinent sections from those two articles: 14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved. [. . .] 16. [. . .] Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel. She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life.

92 posted on 03/26/2015 1:51:51 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God

Well, that’s fair. At least you don’t claim it’s based on scripture.


93 posted on 03/26/2015 2:01:44 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: SkyDancer

Then you should ask Him what purpose His mother might have in your life.


94 posted on 03/27/2015 6:30:46 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific

His mother has no purpose in my life. Yeshua is the purpose in my life.


95 posted on 03/27/2015 6:41:16 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: CynicalBear

The passage you quoted is emphasizing that we are born of a free woman Sarah and not a slave Agar. We are the spiritual children of Israel, and the children of promise. That freedom was purchased for us by Jesus Christ, but it was dependent on the “fiat” of that great and glorious second Eve, Mary, who is the mother of all those who are saved. Just as sin came to us through Eve, so also salvation came to us through Mary. Think of those great lines from Handel’s Messiah that speak of sin coming through the voluntary action of one man, and salvation coming to us through the act of the God Man:

“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. “

There are great parallels there.


96 posted on 03/27/2015 10:27:10 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: SkyDancer

But did you ask Him?


97 posted on 03/27/2015 10:32:40 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific
>>The passage you quoted is emphasizing that we are born of a free woman Sarah and not a slave Agar.<<

So then Catholics put Mary in the place of Sarah?

98 posted on 03/28/2015 6:22:02 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: blackpacific

Why should I have to? I don’t need Mary to intercede for me with Yeshua. I have one and only one Savior. Mary fulfilled her purpose in life by giving G-d the Son his human form.


99 posted on 03/28/2015 6:47:38 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: SkyDancer

You should not be afraid to ask Him.


100 posted on 03/28/2015 8:39:23 AM PDT by blackpacific
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