laimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
“You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved.” Then She said:” If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed…But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world“. “Do you want to learn a prayer?” the vision asked, “Yes we do!” the children responded. “When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.“
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
You really don’t rely on scripture much do you? Invectives don’t replace sound teaching from scripture.
Thank you, my friend. See you later. :-)
You’re definitely a curse.
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Seems like you’re talking about yourself cynical one.
Oh my! Time to take a time out?
No, I'm the one, of many by the way, who wants to keep it in line with what the apostles taught.
You wrote: You’re flacky when you’re offering nothing of value but your own crackpot anti-Catholic gibberish." So I went to look for any of that gibberish.
I found nothing of the sort.
Here's what I did see from Hoss
#154 -"If you're not praying to Almighty God, it is idolatry. Or, in this case, Mariolatry."
#157 - [re. Jesus never carrying a Bible] "Maybe so... but he did say (a lot): "It is written..." "
#161 - [re. Mary the mediator - a point-by-point, scripturally supported response, that ends "Somebody's got some 'splainin' to do.... Much ado about heresy."
#168 - "Mary is dead; in Heaven no doubt, but NOT omniscient; asking you friend to pray for you is reasonable; that person, properly, would be praying to GOD on your behalf; not to Mary." and
#188 - "A little personal there, aren't we? Flak is heaviest when you're over the target I suppose. That's okay.
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And, by contrast we have YOUR posts on this thread:
#62 - I was just cranking up the obnoxious “Christians”
#65 - I’ve seen how nasty your posts are
#73 - Wow, good luck with sharing anything with that guy. He’d have never converted anyone had he ever had that as a mission
#122 -I find it interesting that those who claim to be religious experts are so determined to split the Christians.
#176 -Get the snakes. Tell it like it is. Get them hill people angry.
#173 - Hey, paddle faster. Here comes preacher Cynical Bear.
#180 - It’s very true of our cranks on this thread.
#188 -"...you kooky single-minded bigot."
Which brings us to: #193 -"You’re flacky when you’re offering nothing of value but your own crackpot anti-Catholic gibberish."
And this: #191 -"Oh, that’s right. You’re the expert on how folks should pray and what Christianity is and how you want to make it divisive."
OK, then, what’s a prayer that’s “like” the Lord’s Prayer without actually being the Lord’s Prayer?
O Mother of God, Immaculate Mary, to thee do I dedicate my body and soul, all my prayers and deeds, my joys and sufferings, all that I am an all that I have. With a joyful heart I surrender myself to thy love. To thee will I devote my services of my own free will for the salvation of mankind, and for the help of the Holy Church whose Mother thou art.
From now on my only desire is to do all things with thee, through thee, and for thee. I know I can accomplish nothing by my own strength, whereas thou can do everything that is the will of thy Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ. Thou are always victorious. Grant, therefore, O Helper of the Faithful, that my family, my parish, and my country might become in truth the Kingdom where thou reignest in the glorious presence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, forever and ever. Amen. [http://www.marypages.com/PrayerstoMary.htm]
Tell us how Catholics understand those words different then would be normal. Tell us how that is only asking Mary to pray for you. Tell us that is not replacing Christ with Mary.
What did the Holy Spirit inspire the writers of scripture to call her? Mother of Jesus or mother of God?
Did Jesus get His God qualities from Mary?
Had to turn personal? You asked, I showed you.
It is contained in that very prayer...
“whereas thou can do everything THAT IS THE WILL OF THY SON”
This alone is enough to know that the one who prays this is not treating Mary as a Divine Person. She does nothing on her own, but only in accord with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You have no argument.
If only more people were to pray this every day, the world would be a better place.
(You said with apparent dripping self-"righteosity") :)
I've always found it in interesting on the FR RF where somebody will place themselves on some high ground looking down upon others, finger-pointing, accusing, telling them they know what the standard is for being proven guilty of "self-righteousness," yet cannot help but fail -- according to their own expressed standard -- wind up flaunting their "righteousness" above others.
(Care to explain how it is you've escaped the pitiful escalation of those who become entrapped in accusing others of "self-righteousness?"
You see, I view such accusations as "spiritual STDs"...it's a "gift" that never knows any boundaries...it just keeps on "giving".
Somebody vaunts righteous indignation upon another, accusing them of being "self-righteous." Then a third party weighs in, seeing that vaunted righteous finger-pointing aimed at another's alleged self-righteousness. Then a fourth party could join the discussion, not appreciating that the third-party was using his personal righteousness to "scold" the original scolder.
Note the pattern of the prayer
http://www.crossroad.to/HisWord/prayer/Lord.htm
He got his human qualities (Catholics say “nature”) from Mary and his Divine qualities from God the Father. Catholics call it a hypostatic union... oh, but that is not in the Bible, so you will not believe it.
Well, just imagine...
That path is commonly known as 'civil discourse'.
Something that is typically lacking in both the 'bash the Catholics' and the 'bash the Protestants' threads here on the RF.
For examples, just re-read this thread. Take note of how often certain posters follow THIS Scripture..
If the shoe fits...
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