Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
;-)
And by the same token, "Trinity" is not in the Bible..
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Posters may argue for or against beliefs, deities, religious authorities, etc. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule. “Open” RF debate is often contentious.
It requires thick skin. A poster must be able to make his points while standing his ground, suffering adverse remarks about his beliefs - or letting them roll off his back.
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That's the heart of the problem: the words have but one meaning. Roman Catholicism tries to change what they mean to conform to a non-biblical doctrine.
When I pray for someone, or they pray for me, I am praying to God...not Mary. She's not omniscient; she hears no prayer. Only The Almighty does.
Hoss
That happens when you get a Master of Arts in Catholic Philosophical Studies.
“using a simple memory device to say certain prayers in a certain order is forbidden in the Bible?”
Saying “certain prayers in a certain order” actually is addressed in the Bible, and referred to as “vain repetitions”. Prayers should come directly from a person’s heart and mind, thereby making a “memory device” unnecessary. Fondling beads is just weird. (And don’t they kiss the beads, too?)
People think that parroting The Lord’s Prayer is praying, too, when it was meant to be more of template. We weren’t told to “pray this prayer”; instructions were to pray in this “manner”.
Frequently when taking stock of my own words and actions I ask myself if I am in violation of Christ’s greatest commandment. It is simple in theology but difficult in practice, as we observe on many of these religious threads.
Why not just call this the anti-Catholic thread and be done with pretense that this is about anything else? That’s what it always looks like.
I see no difference, in terms of "one mediator," between asking the "living" for their prayers and asking the "dead" for their prayersNot quite. Actually you've wandered a little off the path of logic.
Please reread the entirety of my earlier post before you make any more accusations. I addressed the rest of what you wrote beforehand, in what I wrote about "the dead," and here I was especially careful to include "in terms of 'one mediator'" right in the middle in order to avoid misreadings.
Mary is dead; in Heaven no doubt, but NOT omniscient; asking you friend to pray for you is reasonable; that person, properly, would be praying to GOD on your behalf; not to Mary.See the difference?
Not in terms of "mediatorship"--at least in terms of how the earlier conversation was going in terms of what was being called asking someone, such as Mary, "to pray for us" to God.
I'm not talking about something like thinking of or addressing Mary (or someone else along these lines) as anything like a deity in her own right, whatever form doing so may take in prayer or similar practices. (I'd even say that praying to someone else as if he or she were a deity would go even beyond the mediatorship question: in other words, the "recipient" would be even more than such a mediator would be.)
(I'm not Catholic, but one would probably also say that a saint in heaven doesn't need to be omniscient to hear requests to pray for us. I see such a discussion as on-topic within the greater context in this thread, but I'm not debating either way beyond pointing out, as I did earlier, that it's harder to find scriptural justification for asking for their prayers than to find clear justification for asking the living for their prayers.)
As I wrote earlier, I'd still say that there are stronger objections than using "one mediator" in this fashion.
Steeple Song I don't care how many buses you own Or the size of your sanctuary It doesn't matter how steep your steeple is If it's sittin' on a cemetery I don't care if you pave your parking lot Or put pads upon your pews What good is picture perfect stage If you're missin' all the cues? I don't care if your pastor's super-powered And your program's always new What you need is love and truth And men are going to come to you It doesn't matter that you know the Bible If it's all just in your head The thing I need to ask you is Have you done the things I said? Do you love your wife? For her and for your children Are you layin' down your life? What about the others? Are you livin' as a servant to Your sisters and your brothers? Do you make the poor man beg you for a bone? Do the widow and the orphan cry alone? I don't care if you pray for miracles I don't care if you speak with tongues I don't care if you said you love Me In every song you've sung It doesn't matter that your sacrifice of praise Is loud enough to raise the dead The thing I need to ask you is Have you done the things I said? Repeat Chorus Lord, when were You a prisoner That we did not come to You? When was it that we saw You sick That we didn't follow through Every time you turned your head And pretended not to see When you did it not to the least of these You did it not to Me
Words and music by Don Francisco © 1979 New Spring (Admin. by Brentwood-Benson Music Publishing, Inc.)
Maybe you and your church fit in here. Try the shoe on...
Will you be having a bash the Jews thread too?
Yes. In all of life. Sometimes we're tired or frustrated and BANG, the tongue engages without the brain. One of man's great failings. My MiL told me to never pray for patience. :-)
I'm as guilty as anyone else.
Proverbs 15:1
A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
Dedicating themselves to Mary? I’ve dedicated myself to Christ alone. Put whomever you want in His place but don’t expect happy times.
That’s nice.
A paraphrase.
How’s it superior to the original?
No. I don’t post threads that mock the faith of others. I don’t see that as the Christian thing to do.
So she is the mother of Jesus not the mother of God. Finishing with invectives is not a strong scriptural basis.
Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.
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