Faith Alone v. Forgiving Trespasses: How the Lord's Prayer Contradicts the Reformation

Catholic Defense ^ | February 25, 2015

[Resettozero]

I would say that many if not most Catholics n the English Speaking world (where this term is quite common) are not aware that "Roman Catholic Church" is not the official name.

Yes, many find that these name definition games are confusing.

I think I've received the best answer from you that I'm going to receive. Thanks for taking your time to respond carefully.

[Resettozero]

Your responses look good to me. I really do not see anything disingenuous about them at all.

Thank you.

[Elsie]

You own a used car lot as well???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VbX22w9qws

[Elsie]

That’s your opinion, but you cannot presume to know exactly what occurs there.

Strange; Rome teaches otherwise.

[metmom]

We don’t need to *join* a church.

A person becomes the church, part of the body of Christ, when he is born again or born from above as some of the more obsessive posters like to put it.

[metmom]

Quite to the contrary, I would say that many if not most Catholics n the English Speaking world (where this term is quite common) are not aware that "Roman Catholic Church" is not the official name.

Well, it's the Roman Catholic churches who put the title on their sign boards out front of their buildings.

When they are up there for years, you can hardly blame anyone for calling the Catholic church the *Roman Catholic church*.

Also, the EO disagree on significant points of doctrine, and sometimes the term *Roman Catholic* is used to specify that it is the Roman rite that is being discussed.

[verga]

The hypocrisy is staggering.

But not nearly as staggering as the hypocrisy of certain anti-Catholics that constantly whine about Catholics not answering questions when they are even more guilty. And then they don't even hold their fellow anti-Catholics to that standard either.

[ealgeone]

How do you know who can or cannot hear us in Heaven? That’s your opinion, but you cannot presume to know exactly what occurs there.

You presume people can hear us in Heaven with no Scriptural support. Ever see Peter or Paul praying to a relative who had gone on to Heaven?

[ealgeone]

That’s funny....since that’s what Protestants do. Only the Catholic Church was started by Jesus Christ. Your sects were founded by mere mortals. Especially those of you who don’t belong to a particular denomination yet call yourselves Christians.

That's funny, in Acts 11:26 the disciples (all believers in this case) were first called Christians....not catholics.

Imagine that....believers who were scattered around the eastern Mediterranean as a result of the persecution of Paul had started their own little churches.

[Gamecock]

**Imagine that....believers who were scattered around the eastern Mediterranean as a result of the persecution of Paul had started their own little churches**

I guess they didn’t get the memo from Rome.

[Gamecock]

**Only the Catholic Church was started by Jesus Christ.**

And yet we see the term Christian used in Scripture, not Catholic.

[CynicalBear]

>>That’s your opinion, but you cannot presume to know exactly what occurs there.<<

But Catholics can? See here.

[redleghunter]

But not nearly as staggering as the hypocrisy of certain anti-Catholics that constantly whine about Catholics not answering questions when they are even more guilty. And then they don't even hold their fellow anti-Catholics to that standard either.

Sorry for not responding sooner. I was caught up reading the post from the Catholic opining on Protestants being the anti-christ.

But I digress.

[verga]

I was caught up reading the post from the Catholic opining on Protestants being the anti-christ.

But I will bet the Catholic answered the question, something the queen of dodge refuses to do on a daily basis, while whining about Catholics.

[verga]

Imagine that....believers who were scattered around the eastern Mediterranean as a result of the persecution of Paul had started their own little churches.

You mean different parishes in a different diocese.

[redleghunter]

I would ask you request to the RM to remove the last post. It’s a bit personal.

Perhaps there is a misunderstanding as to what the original statement you both are debating. Perhaps work with each other to form statements of argument and start again from there.

Maybe it’s this:

verga: There is scriptural substantiation for Purgatory and here it is...

metmom: There is not scriptural substantiation for Purgatory and here it is...

Anything above or beyond that is just fluff and not addressing the subject.

Then take it from there.

Just a friendly fellow Freeper suggestion.

[ealgeone]

>Imagine that....believers who were scattered around the eastern Mediterranean as a result of the persecution of Paul had started their own little churches.<

You mean different parishes in a different diocese.

Funny...didn't see the words parish or diocese in Acts anywhere!

[verga]

Funny...didn't see the words parish or diocese in Acts anywhere!

They are in the same chapter as Trinity, sinners prayer, and altar calls.

[edwinland]

Well, it's the Roman Catholic churches who put the title on their sign boards out front of their buildings.

When they are up there for years, you can hardly blame anyone for calling the Catholic church the *Roman Catholic church*.

I did not blame anyone for this confusion, nor would I, as it is quite common.

In fact, I would not have raised the issue but for a commenter asking why the "RCC" called itself the "Roman Catholic Church", to which it is both correct and, I would say, conducive to the discussion to point out that the Catholic Church calls itself the Catholic Church, and not the "Roman Catholic Church."

sometimes the term *Roman Catholic* is used to specify that it is the Roman rite that is being discussed

That is correct. And it's also why individual parish churches put the title Roman on their signboards, to specify that they offer Mass in the Roman rite.

Maronite parishes of the Catholic Church will put Maronite Catholic Church on their signboards, to specify their specific rite, but to be clear they are fully part of the worldwide Catholic Church.

As an aside, this Wikpedia article on this subject is surprisingly clear:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_rites_and_churches

[Elsie]

They are in the same chapter as Trinity, sinners prayer, and altar calls.

Finally!

Something C's and P's BOTH can agree on:

Acts chapter 15