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Are Christians responsible for most wars?
RZIM ^ | 02/23/2015 | Ravi Zacarias

Posted on 02/23/2015 2:56:18 PM PST by SeekAndFind

I am often asked how I can believe in God when there have been so many wars caused by religion. The implication is that if only people would leave behind their convictions about the existence of a God the world would be a much better, more peaceful place.

Of course very few people ever reflect on the fact that the very reverse of this was demonstrated in the 20th century, which saw the atheistic communist and Nazi ideologies rise. In fact, that century saw more killing than the previous 19 put together.

None of this is to say that religion has not at times been a cause or significant factor in war. In fact, because of our current context with the rise of Islam and, in particular, of violent Islamic terrorism all over the world, it is true that horrific acts played out on our televisions day after day are religiously motivated.

It may be that someone who is asking questions of us is unable to distinguish between Christianity and Islam and is equating the two. The first task here is to draw clear distinctions between Christ and Muhammad, as well as the Bible and the Qur’an, on the issue of violence.

It may be important to point to Jesus Himself, as He healed the ear of the arresting soldier when Peter had drawn a sword in defence of Him and cut it off.

True Christian responses

Christians, however, would be the first to hold their hands up and say that violence committed in the name of Christ in history, such as the Crusades or the Inquisition, is certainly not a true reflection of what Jesus came to say and accomplish. In fact, true Christian responses at the time of the Crusades resounded from leaders such as Francis of Assisi and John Wycliffe, who roundly condemned any killing or warfare in the name of Christ.

But what is a Christian view of war, if killing people in the name of Christ is wrong? The New Testament itself does not condemn the vocation of a soldier if the work is carried out in a responsible and lawful fashion (Matthew 8.5, Luke 3.14, Acts 10.1-8 and 34-35).

And yet other passages such as the Beatitudes seem to point towards pacifism: “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God” (Matthew 5.9).

There are broadly four historical Christian positions when it comes to seeking a biblical position on the concept of war:

Most Christians today would fall into the middle two. However, the early Church response to war was initially pacifism that allowed for the possibility of Christian converts staying on in the army. Pre-Constantinian theologians and Church leaders such as Tertullian took the rebuke of Peter as an absolute position; they spiritualised the battles in the Old Testament and did not allow for any Christian approval of war.

It is the great Christian thinker Augustine who introduces “just war” theory into Christian thinking. “Just war” thinking originates in classical civilisation, but Augustine developed it, building on this and the work of the 4th century theologian Ambrose.

The first set of principles deal with reasons for a nation going to war (jus ad bellum): The only just cause is defence against aggression. The only just intention is to restore a just peace to friend and foe alike. The use of military force must be a last resort after all other negotiations have failed. The decision must be made by the highest governmental authority.

The second set of principles deal with the modus operandi or conduct of a war (jus in bello): War must have limited ends only sufficient to repel aggression and redress its injustice. The means must be limited by proportionality to the offence. Non-combatant immunity from intentional and direct attack must be respected. Combat should not be prolonged when there is no reasonable hope of success within these limits.

Most protestant and Catholic churches adhere to these rules about war, and Scripture is clear that war is a disastrous tragedy from which the innocent always suffer along with the guilty. The psalmist laments war, the prophet looks for the day when swords will be beaten into ploughshares and the kingdom of Shalom appears, and the New Testament blesses peacemakers, while Jesus resists being made king by force.

A cosmic battle

From beginning to end, the story of the Bible takes place in the context of a cosmic battle between good and evil, which is introduced to us in Genesis and runs through until Revelation. At different moments in history this war takes different forms.

As God’s chosen people are commanded to enter the physical land that He gives them, they are to displace the evil practices that have gone on there and not allow themselves to be drawn into these things themselves. This happens at a moment in history but does not give a license for any individuals or subsequent nations to go and do likewise.

All of this must also be seen in the light of the reality that God raises up other nations’ armies to come and judge Israel. They too experience the judgement of God against their sins.

When the New Testament comes, Jesus is the fulfilment of the promises and longings of the Old Testament; He is God come to earth in human flesh.

Jesus conquers evil through His death on the cross and calls His followers to appropriate that victory in their own lives, and to continue the spiritual battle through prayer and a life of service following Him.

When wars occur between the nations of the world, Christians in different contexts must work out their involvement and reaction to those wars using biblical principles. The development of “just war” theory by theologians and Christian thinkers of previous generations helps the contemporary Church do this in faithfulness to Christ and His word.



TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christianity; war
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To: lonestar67

Jesus was the one who suggested the swords. Also like Revelation 13:10 “Anyone destined for captivity goes into captivity. Anyone destined to be slain by the sword shall be slain by the sword. Such is the faithful endurance of the holy ones.”

Doesn’t say anything about preppers.


21 posted on 02/23/2015 6:01:10 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Ditto
"LOL. Did some idiot actually say that?"

Yeah, based on the fact that Stalin was an Orthodox seminary dropout and Hitler was baptized a Catholic as an infant, even though he was by all accounts a non-believer and non-practitioner as an adult.
22 posted on 02/23/2015 6:21:07 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: SeekAndFind

Only if you know nothing about Asia.

Genghis Kahn, Tamerlane, various Chinese civil wars, and the Japanese Samurai war against Korea to start with.

I was startled to listen to a lecture by Profesor Bulliet on world history, when he remarked that western historians make a big thing about the 30 year war of religion, but have never heard of the Japanese invasion of Korea that killed the same number of people. The Japanese aim was to invade China using Korea as a base, but the Koreans resisted...


23 posted on 02/23/2015 7:19:03 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: SeekAndFind

I suppose if one only knows the history of Europe one might get the false impression that Christians are responsible for most wars, because for a very long time pretty much everyone who might have fought a war in Europe was Christian.


24 posted on 02/23/2015 7:46:10 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Written in 2007 but made relevant based on Obama's statement about the Crusades today.

Semi-valid meme: "Killing in the name of Christ"

Self-defense does not need to be tied to religious beliefs. When we allow the other side to define the situation, we fall into their trap and begin a course of circular arguments.

25 posted on 02/24/2015 3:08:28 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SeekAndFind
War was standard pre-Christianity. War also happens among non-Christians.

However, the early Church response to war was initially pacifism that allowed for the possibility of Christian converts staying on in the army. Pre-Constantinian theologians and Church leaders such as Tertullian took the rebuke of Peter as an absolute position; they spiritualised the battles in the Old Testament and did not allow for any Christian approval of war.

Absolute pacifism was only workable for people under the protection of Rome (or, today, Amish under the protection of their local non-pacifist police). Once Rome fell, absolute pacifism just means that you choose to surrender the lives and freedom of your family to whoever chooses to take them. Such pacifism is inherently evil.

26 posted on 02/24/2015 3:26:20 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: navyguy
That’s the main problem with Progressives... facts have no actual value to them. In fact, nothing has value to them. They are total Nihilists. So when you present facts to them it has no impact. And for them there is no appreciable difference between lying and the truth... they are essentially the same thing to them.

David Horowitz wrote about Hillary and her college thesis

The title of Clinton’s thesis was “There Is Only the Fight: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model.” In this title she had identified the single most important Alinsky contribution to the radical cause – his embrace of political nihilism. An SDS radical once wrote, “The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.” In other words, the cause of a political action – whether civil rights or women’s rights – is never the real cause; women, blacks and other “victims” are only instruments in the larger cause, which is power. Battles over rights and other issues, according to Alinsky, should never be seen as more than occasions to advance the real agenda, which is the accumulation of power and resources in radical hands. Power is the all-consuming goal of Alinsky’s politics
To a real progressive, there is no truth nor falsity. There is only "What can I say which will advance my goals?"
27 posted on 02/24/2015 4:11:14 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is precisely Christianity’s wishy-washy view of war that allowed Islam to destroy classical Christianity during the First Jihad under Mohammad and his disciples from 630 - 732 AD.

Note: as far as anyone knows Jesus never killed anyone. Mohammad, on the other hand, led from the front, killing as many as he could; personally beheading 400 captives after one battle.

“The second set of principles deal with the modus operandi or conduct of a war (jus in bello): War must have limited ends only sufficient to repel aggression and redress its injustice. The means must be limited by proportionality to the offence. Non-combatant immunity from intentional and direct attack must be respected. Combat should not be prolonged when there is no reasonable hope of success within these limits.”

And with that, Christian civilization, already weak from the plague and multiple internal wars, signed its own civilization-wide death warrant. Christian intellectuals are too smart by half ... In case some of you were wondering why, after 911, Mecca and Medina were not nuked ...

As this second Jihad begins under ISIS, the Christian West is following in the same footsteps as classical Christian civilization, and, naturally, will have the same results. We see the above philosophy reflected in the US mil’s ROIs, while Jihadis have no such constraints.

Being good Christians, many will choose to occupy the moral high ground during this existential threat, many others will choose to become slaves to their masters - the Arabs, others to send their daughters to some mulim’s harem, still others to become slave traders, and so on. Remaining good Christians to the end ... the blood of countless millions of other Christians not withstanding ...


28 posted on 02/24/2015 5:40:45 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wars are caused by humans seeking richness and power over others. The love of money is the root cause of evil.


29 posted on 02/24/2015 4:17:32 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: PapaBear3625

Exactly! Thanks for that info!

Progressives have no principles. They only have goals.


30 posted on 02/24/2015 5:49:53 PM PST by navyguy (The National Reset Button is pushed with the trigger finger.)
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