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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: annalex
It still remains an idol made by mens hands regardless if Mary is holding a child or not...there are plenty faiths that also use a cild in their idols

no child here and in numerous other idols of mary

Using a statue idol to give false hope to the dying


1,301 posted on 12/16/2014 8:22:53 PM PST by caww
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To: annalex

“To Jesus through Mary”

The roads may be different: the destination is the same!


1,302 posted on 12/16/2014 8:23:33 PM PST by Grateful2God (preastat fides supplementum sensuum defectui)
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To: Grateful2God; annalex

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Blasphemy!

Yeshua said “No man cometh unto the Faather but by Me”

There is but one “road,” and it is narrow; there is no room for Sun Goddess Mary.

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1,303 posted on 12/16/2014 8:28:04 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Resettozero

Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus at the Transfiguration. They represented the Law and the Prophets, of which Jesus was the fulfillment.

Peter was ready to set up tents, booths, as was the custom for visitors, ie Moses and Elijah.


1,304 posted on 12/16/2014 8:28:42 PM PST by Grateful2God (preastat fides supplementum sensuum defectui)
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To: Grateful2God

Your Mary is not the Mary of the Bible rather one that is designed, created, molded and made into an idol for worship.

“Each of you, get rid of the vile images you have set your eyes on, and do not defile yourselves with idols ...... I am the LORD your God.”...Ez.20:7


1,305 posted on 12/16/2014 8:31:00 PM PST by caww
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To: vox_freedom

I think you understand completely or you wouldn’t have posted what you did, but maybe this will clear it up for you it’s the clearest I can make it.

Hebrews 5:11-14 New International Version (NIV)

11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Matthew 13:15 New International Version (NIV)

15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’


1,306 posted on 12/16/2014 8:31:14 PM PST by mrobisr
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“If she is that, why didn’t God ever give her that title? Answer. She was not mother of God.”

Then your faith does not teach you that Jesus is God. Do you at least believe He is the Son of God?


1,307 posted on 12/16/2014 8:34:38 PM PST by Grateful2God (preastat fides supplementum sensuum defectui)
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To: terycarl; metmom; EagleOne
and that is EXACTLY why God created Purgatory...still saved but having to atone for our sins....you are right!!

Not according to God, you aren't and you can't:

For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (Leviticus 17:11)

In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. (Hebrews 9:22)

1,308 posted on 12/16/2014 8:38:24 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Elsie; CynicalBear; metmom

That canned repetitious writing is so sacrilegious!....

They’re offering themselves ‘entirely’ to a false mary...not Jesus as He has said to do.

They’re ‘devoting’ themselves to her...their “whole being”....as a “possession” and “property”....not to Jesus.

That prayer is people putting their focus, hope, and prayers in Mary instead of Jesus. That’s is heresy. It is idolatry........It would be impossible for a true Christian to make that commitment....


1,309 posted on 12/16/2014 8:43:25 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

The Mother of Jesus was “vile?”

And Catholics get accused of quoting Scripture for their own purposes...


1,310 posted on 12/16/2014 8:46:59 PM PST by Grateful2God (preastat fides supplementum sensuum defectui)
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To: caww

And what about “idolatrous” pictures of loved ones, that people carry in wallets, or hang on walls?


1,311 posted on 12/16/2014 8:49:11 PM PST by Grateful2God (preastat fides supplementum sensuum defectui)
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To: Grateful2God

“If she is that, why didn’t God ever give her that title? Answer. She was not mother of God.”

Christ was God. Mary bore Messiah - why she was called favored.


1,312 posted on 12/16/2014 8:50:39 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: mrobisr

Thanks for that advice.
I’ll have a glass of milk tomorrow.


1,313 posted on 12/16/2014 8:51:09 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Grateful2God

Your post 1311.....people don’t bow down and offer prayers to pictures of their kids.


1,314 posted on 12/16/2014 8:53:55 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Grateful2God

Would you say to Jesus through Buddah or Allah? Same destination?


1,315 posted on 12/16/2014 8:55:52 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: editor-surveyor

“Yeshua said ‘No man cometh unto the Faather but by Me’”

Because if Jesus had not come and died, and rose again from the dead, NO ONE would have been able to enter Heaven. Do you HONESTLY believe that God created races of people who don’t have the chance to know Him, just so they could fry in Hell? God loves All His children, and gives the one who have the chance a free will to choose whether or not to love Him in return.


1,316 posted on 12/16/2014 9:00:20 PM PST by Grateful2God (preastat fides supplementum sensuum defectui)
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To: caww

exactly

I mean look at #16 on this thread

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3238014/posts


1,317 posted on 12/16/2014 9:00:22 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Elsie
wikipedia (every ones source) says 41,000 is a modest estimate Says the fella that DISSES WIKI!

I admitted it and almost apologized for it, but I noted that you used it so I used you as a reference...sorry for not asking permission...

1,318 posted on 12/16/2014 9:06:53 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Elsie
you just seem to have a really hard time with quotes... >>Mary was full of God's grace<

who else's????of course it was God's grace

1,319 posted on 12/16/2014 9:10:59 PM PST by terycarl
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; CynicalBear; EagleOne
Mary is Jesus’ mother, and the Queen of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom. She is the Queen of Heaven. See the Bible.

You left out this passage in the Bible about the Queen of Heaven, Jeremiah chapters 7 and 44 are the ONLY places where the term, Queen of Heaven, is found and it is NEVER about Mary but a false goddess that got the Jews in BIG trouble with God:

    “Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am determined to bring disaster on you and to destroy all Judah. I will take away the remnant of Judah who were determined to go to Egypt to settle there. They will all perish in Egypt; they will fall by the sword or die from famine. From the least to the greatest, they will die by sword or famine. They will become a curse and an object of horror, a curse and an object of reproach. I will punish those who live in Egypt with the sword, famine and plague, as I punished Jerusalem. None of the remnant of Judah who have gone to live in Egypt will escape or survive to return to the land of Judah, to which they long to return and live; none will return except a few fugitives.”

    Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, said to Jeremiah, “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”

    The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”

    Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him, “Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and your officials and the people of the land? When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became a curse and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today. Because you have burned incense and have sinned against the Lord and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decrees or his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see.”

    Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including the women, “Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah in Egypt. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have done what you said you would do when you promised, ‘We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.’

    “Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows! But hear the word of the Lord, all you Jews living in Egypt: ‘I swear by my great name,’ says the Lord, ‘that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, “As surely as the Sovereign Lord lives.” For I am watching over them for harm, not for good; the Jews in Egypt will perish by sword and famine until they are all destroyed. Those who escape the sword and return to the land of Judah from Egypt will be very few. Then the whole remnant of Judah who came to live in Egypt will know whose word will stand—mine or theirs. (Jeremiah 44:11-28)


1,320 posted on 12/16/2014 9:13:04 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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