Posted on 12/08/2014 2:32:24 PM PST by NYer
See my post #18.
It took almost 1,900 years for the church to figure out officially Mary was born sinless...?
seriously?
I certainly believe in the Virgin Birth...
Very clever but scripturally twisted fantasy.
“It is about Jesus have a holy womb in which to grow so that he could be fully human and fully God.”
Actually, it has nothing to do with a holy womb.
“You do believe that, don’t you?
I believe Christ is fully human and fully God.
“You do have Luke in your Bible, correct?
I think you know I do :-)
I might add that the Lord himself never uttered a recorded word about the sinless nature of his mother...
” Today is the Solemnity of the Immaculate
Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Pope Pius IX declared that at the moment of
her conception Mary was preserved from the
stain of original sin through the merits of her
son, Jesus our Savior.”
That someone believes it or declares it doesn’t make it true.
Hail, Mary, full of grace!
Let’s unpack what you said...
“The same is true for sola scriptura.”
Scripture declares it is sufficient for salvation and for maturity. It declares it is inspired Truth from God. All other truth claims are judged by God’s Truth.
“There is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture”
Sure there is. If there is no Scripture that reveals it as true, there is no basis to believe it.
“so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture.”
It is wrong if it contradicts Scripture.
It is wrong if it adds what God revealed, as if it is equal.
“The one verse is the greeting of the angel to Mary, “Hail, full of grace.””
And this is wrong. The Greek does not say “full of grace.”
“There was no original sin on her soul. She was, indeed, “full of grace.””
She was as sinful as every human in all history. Only Christ was without sin. She was the recipient of God’s grace by being chosen to bear Messiah.
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The elevation of Mary to God status is blasphemy.
“The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Saviour of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin. ”
This is clearly heretical.
“3. Does this mean Mary never sinned?
Yes.”
Again, clearly heretical.
“Christ is thus the New Adam, and Mary the New Eve”
I’m not sure anyone would even want to comment on that.
When you make a statement, courtesy requires you to support it with facts. Looking forward to your substantiation.
You seek that the statement be supported with facts... I would ask that you support the claims of the immaculate conception with scripture. Not one scripture reference listed... All statements made by men quoting man made doctrine.
No, it is unnecessary, not foretold by the Prophets, made up. The Virgin birth on the other hand was necessary was foretold wasn't made up. Scripture testifies to it.
My dear FRiend, how did the Virgin Birth happen without the Immaculate Conception, hmmmm?
The Greek word "kecharitomene" is a past-perfect participle. This means that the action was completed fully and perfectly in the past. The Virgin Mary was "graced" from all time, completely.
She was not sinless of her own volition - she received it through grace by virtue of her Son's sacrifice.
Must one be immaculately conceived in order to be a virgin? Hmmm? I think you need to rethink the terms, My dear FRiend.
Scripture-Inspiration-Tradition: you need all three or it all falls down.
Went to mass tonight at my parish.
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