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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.

By calling the Genesis story a “myth,” people avoid saying it is mere “fantasy,” that is, with no foundation in reality at all. While rejecting a literal first pair of human parents for all mankind, they hope to retain some “deeper” truth about an original “sinful human condition,” a “mythic” meaning. They think that the latest findings in paleoanthropology and genetics render a literal pair of first true human parents to be “scientifically impossible.”

The prevailing assumption underlying media reports about human origins is that humanity evolved very gradually over vast periods of time as a population (a collection of interbreeding organisms), which itself originally evolved from a Homo/Pan (human/chimpanzee) common ancestor millions of years ago. Therefore, we are not seen as descendants of the biblical Adam and Eve.

This universal evolutionary perspective leads many Catholics and others to conclude that a literal Adam and Eve is “scientifically impossible” for two reasons: First, paleoanthropologists deny the sudden appearance of intelligent, self-reflective, fully-human primates, but rather view the emergence of consciousness and intelligence as taking place slowly and incrementally over long periods of time. Second, in light of recent findings in molecular biology, especially from studies based on genetic data gleaned from the Human Genome Project, it is claimed that the hominin population (the primate group from which modern man is said to have arisen) has never had a bottleneck (reduced population) of a single mating pair in the last seven or more million years: no literal Adam and Eve. Many succumb to the modernist tendency to “adjust” Church teaching to fit the latest scientific claims—thus intimidating Catholics into thinking that divinely revealed truths can be abandoned—“if need be.”

This skepticism of a literal Adam and Eve begs for four much needed corrections.

First, Church teaching about Adam and Eve has not, and cannot, change. The fact remains that a literal Adam and Eve are unchanging Catholic doctrine. Central to St. Paul’s teaching is the fact that one man, Adam, committed original sin and that through the God-man, Jesus Christ, redemption was accomplished (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15: 21-22). In paragraphs 396-406, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaks of Adam and Eve as a single mating pair who “committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state” (CCC, 404). “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle” (CCC, 405). The doctrines surrounding original sin cannot be altered “without undermining the mystery of Christ” (CCC, 389).

Today, many think that Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis did not definitively exclude theological polygenism. What they fail to notice, though, is that the Holy Father clearly insists that Scripture and the Magisterium affirm that original sin “proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam [ab uno Adamo]” and that this sin is transmitted to all true human beings through generation (para. 37). This proves that denial of a literal Adam (and his spouse, Eve) as the sole first genuinely human parents of all true human beings is not theologically tenable.

Second, rational human nature itself requires that mankind made an instant appearance on planet Earth. Paleoanthropological claims of gradual appearance of specifically human traits fail to comport with a true philosophy of human nature. Reflecting classical Christian thought, St. Thomas Aquinas demonstrates that true man is distinguished essentially from lower animals by possession of an intellectual and immortal soul, which possesses spiritual powers of understanding, judgment, and reasoning (Summa theologiae I, 75). While these qualitatively superior abilities are manifested through special forms of tool making or culture or art, they need not always be evident in the paleontological record. Sometimes true men share mere animal survival behavior and sometimes truly human behavior is lost to modern sight due to the ravages of time. What matters is that genuinely spiritual powers are either present or not, and that these alone bespeak the presence of true man. Irrational animals, including subhuman primates, are capable of complex sentient behaviors often approaching or imitating the rational activities of true man. But an animal either possesses a spiritual, intellectual soul or not. Thus at some point in time, true man suddenly appears—whether visible to modern science or not. Before that time, all subhuman behavior manifests merely material sensory abilities. The fact that positivistic scientists cannot discern the first presence of true man is hardly remarkable.

Third, a correct understanding of the scientific (inductive) method reveals that it cannot ever logically exclude the possibility of two sole founders of humanity. Natural scientific studies employ the inductive method of reasoning. Empirically observed data is employed to form testable hypotheses. Molecular biologists use computer models in an attempt to validate such hypotheses and reach conclusions about genetic conditions in early primate populations. In this process, some researchers have committed the logically invalid move of inferring from particular data to the universally negative claim that a literal Adam and Eve is impossible. Such methodology produces, at best, solely probable conclusions, based on available evidence and the assumptions used to evaluate the data. There is the inherent possibility that an unknown factor will alter the conclusion, similarly as was the unexpected discovery of black swans in Australia, when the whole world “knew” all swans were white.

Fourth, specific scientific arguments against Adam and Eve have proven not as forceful as many presently believe (Gauger 2012). For example, some have claimed that effective population size estimates for the last several million years would not permit just two true humans to have lived during that time. Still, the technical concept of average effective population size estimates should not be confused with an actual “bottleneck” (a temporarily reduced population) which may be much smaller. Effective population size estimates can vary from as high as 14,000 (Blum 2011) to as low as 2,000 (Tenesa 2007), depending on the methods used.

Such calculations rely upon many assumptions about mutation rate, recombination rate, and other factors, that are known to vary widely. All of this entails retrospective calculations about events in the far distant past, for which we have no directly verifiable data. For such reasons, some experts have concluded that effective population size cannot be determined using DNA sequence differences alone (Sjödin 2005; Hawks 2008).

Indeed, the most famous genetic study proclaimed as a “scientific objection” to Adam and Eve turned out to be based on methodological errors. An article by geneticist Francisco J. Ayala appearing in the journal, Science (1995), led many to believe that a founding population of only two individuals was impossible. Ayala based his challenge to monogenism (two sole founders of humanity) on the large number of versions (alleles) of the particular gene HLA-DRB1, which are present in the current population. Accepting the common ancestor theory, he claimed that there were thirty-two ancient lineages of the HLA-DRB1 gene prior to the Homo/Pan split (approximately seven million years ago). Over time, these “pre-split” lineages, themselves, evolved into the new additional versions present today. Because each individual carries only two versions of a gene, a single founding pair could not have passed on the thirty-two versions that Ayala claimed existed some seven million years ago—either at that time or at any time since. A bottleneck of just two true humans, Adam and Eve, was “scientifically impossible.”

However, Ayala’s claim of thirty-two ancient HLA-DRB1 lineages (prior to the Homo/Pan split) was wrong because of methodological errors. The number of lineages was subsequently adjusted by Bergström (1998) to just seven at the time of the split, with most of the genetic diversity appearing in the last 250,000 years. A still later study coming out of Bergström’s group inferred that just four such lineages existed more than five million years ago, but that a few more appeared soon thereafter (von Salomé 2007). While two mating hominins can transmit four lineages, the few additional later ones still require explanation.

These genetic studies, based on many assumptions and use of computer models, do not tell us how the origin of the human race actually took place. But, they do show (1) that methodological limitations and radical contingency are inherent in such studies, which are employed to make retroactive judgments about deeply ancient populations that can never be subject to direct observation, and (2) that present scientific claims against the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve are not definitive (Gauger 2012, 105-122).

Philosopher Kenneth W. Kemp and others have suggested that interbreeding between true humans and subhuman primates in the same biological population might account for presently observed genetic diversity (Kemp 2011). Such interbreeding is not to be confused with the marriages between true human siblings and cousins which would have occurred in the first generations following Adam and Eve, which unions were a necessary part of God’s plan for the initial propagation of mankind (Gen. 1:28).

The difficulty with any interbreeding solution (save, perhaps, in rare instances) is that it would place at the human race’s very beginning a severe impediment to its healthy growth and development. Natural law requires that marriage and procreation take place solely between a man and a woman, so that children are given proper role models for adult life. So too, even if the union between a true human and a subhuman primate were not merely transitory, but lasting, the defective parenting and role model of a parent who is not a true human being would introduce serious disorder in the proper functioning of the family and education of children. Hence, widespread interbreeding is not an acceptable solution to the problem of genetic diversity.

Moreover, given the marked reduction in the number of ancient HLA-DRB1 alleles found by the later genetic studies of Bergström and von Salomé, it may turn out that no interbreeding is needed at all, or at most, that very rare instances of it may have occurred. Such rare events might not even entail the consent of true human beings, since they could result from an attack by a subhuman male upon a non-consenting human female.

A literal Adam and Eve remains rationally, scientifically credible.

Since the same God is author both of human reason and of authentic revelation, legitimate natural science, properly conducted, will never contradict Catholic doctrine, properly understood. Catholic doctrine still maintains that a literal Adam and Eve must have existed, a primal couple who committed that personal original sin, which occasioned the need for, and the divine promise of, the coming of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: adam; adamandeve; creation; crevo; crevolist; eve; evolution; fazalerana; gardenofeden; genesis; hughross; originalparents; origins
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To: Verginius Rufus
One example is Joshua 10.12-13: Joshua tells the sun and the moon to stand still and they do so. He doesn’t tell the earth to stop rotating.

I am curious, are you approaching the above as a Christian? I ask because if you can process Jesus Christ changing a few loaves of bread and a few fish into a bounty for thousands to eat, then why the problem with God adjusting the 'clock' for His chosen?

Better yet, does what happens in Joshua 10 compare to Christ Jesus rising from the dead three days later?

301 posted on 11/25/2014 3:49:49 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Indeed. Only an ungrateful friend refuses to open a gift you give them.


302 posted on 11/25/2014 3:51:06 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: ravenwolf
I am not adamant in Paul not being an apostle but am just Leary, but at this point in time it probably makes no difference.

Hillary, is that you in ravenwolf's clothing?

Paul calls himself an apostle over 13 times and starts a majority of his epistles off with the title Apostle.

Why would any Christian deny what has been plainly recorded in the Holy Bible? It most certainly is very important to know! In effect, you are implying Paul is lying or mistaken or what...?

Don't you see that if this part of Scripture is not true, then the Word of God has been broken? In the New Testament, Paul says he is an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God. Do you believe the Bible in this instance? Do you believe this saying is true? Are you an RCC member?
303 posted on 11/25/2014 4:15:26 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Boogieman

I fail to see how it matters whether you agree or not, unless you are a scholar of the Hebrew language.


No I am not a scholar.

Why would you repeat this argument? Do you not understand that the N.T. is written in Greek, while Genesis is written in Hebrew, so the same word is not being translated?>>>>>

True but it has all been translated into English by translators who were ordained by God for the Chore.

I don`t have to spend hours in the dictionary every time I read a verse in the Bible.

Gen 2 says generations and you say it is not a continuation but an explanation.

Even if that is what it was it would still be instilling the idea that the six day creation was not literal for those who think it is literal.

And if it is to be taken literally some one could rightly say that it all happened in one day.

Do you not understand that God had the Bible translated into English so that we do not have to try to figure it all out by going to a language we do not understand?


304 posted on 11/25/2014 4:33:02 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Elsie
I had not looked at any translation, just going on memory (and some commentary I read once that tried to excuse the daughters' behavior on the grounds they thought no one else was alive).

I don't read Hebrew, but I just looked at the Septuagint and the KJV is a pretty accurate rendition of the Greek text. The NIV looks like it is a looser translation at least in this case. The Greek phrase means "upon the earth."

305 posted on 11/25/2014 4:39:12 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus; Elsie

Do not dismiss the most important element:

God blessed Lot’s lineage through his daughters with a permanent gift of land, that he protected even from Israel.
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306 posted on 11/25/2014 5:38:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: redleghunter
Well if Christians don't believe God is the uncreated Creator of all, then that is quite an issue.

You are not following the thread/ question, belief in God was not what I was referring to at all.

307 posted on 11/25/2014 5:43:38 PM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: ravenwolf

“No I am not a scholar.”

Then maybe we should defer to scholars to find out the definitions of Hebrew words, eh?

“True but it has all been translated into English by translators who were ordained by God for the Chore.”

How exactly do you know that English translators were ordained by God?

“I don`t have to spend hours in the dictionary every time I read a verse in the Bible.”

No, and you really shouldn’t because most statements in the Bible are fairly easy to translate clearly. However, if there is a conflict arising from a translation, you might want to spend a few minutes to consult a reference to see if it can easily be cleared up.

“Gen 2 says generations and you say it is not a continuation but an explanation.

Even if that is what it was it would still be instilling the idea that the six day creation was not literal for those who think it is literal.

And if it is to be taken literally some one could rightly say that it all happened in one day.”

No, not if one keeps in mind the very important principle that God didn’t contradict himself when He wrote the Bible. If someone attempts to read that section of Genesis as a single day, then they have created a contradiction with other statements in the Bible that clearly state that God accomplished it all in six days. So, since the contradiction couldn’t come from God, it must come from their interpretation, and therefore, their interpretation invalidates itself.

“Do you not understand that God had the Bible translated into English so that we do not have to try to figure it all out by going to a language we do not understand?”

How do you know this? How do you know which translation God wants us to use? Or is any English translation to be automatically assumed to be authorized by God? What about conflicting translations? Or conflicts between English translations and translations in other languages? How can we resolve those without referencing the original texts?

Your answer, on its face, may seem to give an “easy way out” of studying the Bible more deeply, but it really just creates more problems than it solves.


308 posted on 11/25/2014 6:18:55 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: editor-surveyor

Pretty much, they even have secret handshakes and passwords just like the Masons for their pseudo-Masonic rituals.


309 posted on 11/25/2014 6:27:47 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: NYer

Did Adam and Eve Really Exist? >>>

Yes!! And to prove they do exist, Jesus spoke of I think Able... also 1Timothy 2:13 “For Adam was formed first, then Eve.” Jude 1:14 4

Romans 5:14 “But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come.”

Enoch, of the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied also about them when he said, “Behold, the Lord has come with his countless holy ones” 1st Chronicles 1 Adam, Seth, Enosh,
2Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared,3Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech,4Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


310 posted on 11/25/2014 7:46:56 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Boogieman

Well, the thread did not convince me and neither did you but I think we can get by with that, have a good night.

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311 posted on 11/25/2014 8:07:15 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Resettozero

Hillary, is that you in ravenwolf’s clothing?


I don`t know if he was a real apostle or wasn’t I just said I was Leary.

I believe he was a Christian and he was a go getter ( ambitious ) I am just saying how I see him.

If I explained why I see him as I do it would take all night and it would not settle anything.


312 posted on 11/25/2014 8:40:59 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: verga; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums

I’ve been following. My impression is some believe they think they know better than The Almighty:

Isaiah 45:

8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.

More below:

Isaiah 29:

14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?


313 posted on 11/25/2014 8:41:46 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: boatbums; editor-surveyor

>>I disagree with your conclusion here that the current position of Catholicism and Orthodoxy WRT creation and evolution is a reaction to Protestantism. I see it as their reaction to modern agnostic and atheistic “scientific” theories on the origin of the universe and life itself and a fear of appearing as nonscientific or “fundamentalist” and being open to criticism and mockery. It’s more of having your cake and eating it, too.<<

Not to mention taking the stand that God’s Word says what it means is not popular at cocktail parties. Which captures what you stated above.

I wonder how many Roman Catholics who support an evolutionary Genesis would support Blessed Mary as descended from a lower simian specie. Which of course she was not.


314 posted on 11/25/2014 8:59:53 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: ravenwolf

Genesis 1 shows Adam created on the 6th day. Genesis 1 gives us the ‘telescoping” of creation. Genesis 2 gives is the “microscoping” approach with Adam and Eve the center of subject.

Genesis 1:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


315 posted on 11/25/2014 9:07:05 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: ravenwolf

Both Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day. It’s right there in Genesis 1 God created man both male and female.

In Genesis 2 we are introduced to the very first humans.


316 posted on 11/25/2014 9:15:41 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter

It don`t say Adam and eve were created on the sixth day, of course if you want to add a little I guess that is ok, all of the scholars do.


317 posted on 11/25/2014 9:55:21 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: redleghunter

And then the continuation.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


318 posted on 11/25/2014 10:05:51 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Resettozero

Baseball?

These are more like fowl balls!


319 posted on 11/26/2014 3:33:55 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
Oh Oh, mine did not work but we can have one here, you really believe the eleven chosen apostles were confused?

Of COURSE they were; with no Magicsteeriems to enlighten them to what they'd be teaching shortly!


Luke 24:44-46

Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day...

320 posted on 11/26/2014 3:37:59 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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