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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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To: editor-surveyor

Thems wuz sum mighty ugly dotters!


Two T,s? hah.


281 posted on 11/25/2014 1:12:33 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Elsie

I will agree with that even if it was Paul and not one of the apostles.


282 posted on 11/25/2014 1:18:22 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: ravenwolf; Elsie
I will agree with that even if it was Paul and not one of the apostles.

Huh? Paul not one of Jesus' Apostles? Jesus called Paul to be an Apostle...in Person, just as He did the other Twelve, not counting the confused disciples' lottery pick.

Or were you having an inside joke with Elsie? I never get the inside baseball comments.
283 posted on 11/25/2014 1:43:05 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Or were you having an inside joke with Elsie?


That was the idea.

not counting the confused disciples’ lottery pick.>>>>

Oh Oh, mine did not work but we can have one here, you really believe the eleven chosen apostles were confused?


284 posted on 11/25/2014 1:52:50 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Elsie

Well, it was while I was in ninth grade.


285 posted on 11/25/2014 2:09:15 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: ravenwolf
...you really believe the eleven chosen apostles were confused?

Don't know what to call them; ill-informed? Impatient?

Matthias, whom the Eleven selected, isn't mentioned again in the New Testament but Paul, who encountered Jesus Christ in Person and was called by Jesus Christ by name and not by number, certainly is.

Why would someone elevate St. Matthias as an Apostle of Jesus over Paul, who you seem to relegate to a lower position of Authority and Calling in Christ's Church?
286 posted on 11/25/2014 2:09:22 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Why would someone elevate St. Matthias as an Apostle of Jesus over Paul, who you seem to relegate to a lower position of Authority and Calling in Christ’s Church?


Most of the chosen apostles are not heard from, they were probably out preaching the Gospel as they were told to do.


287 posted on 11/25/2014 2:22:09 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: ravenwolf

“The Bible I read was translated into English in 1611 and i did not see anything special on the site you suggested.”

That site is using the Hebrew Lexicon from Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, which is the standard source for comparing the KJV text to the original languages. The definition it gives is of the Hebrew word in the original text.

“We can see by the genealogy’s in the N.T that generations were years and not days.”

The N.T. was written in Greek, while Genesis was written in Hebrew. So it is not possible to draw any conclusions about the Hebrew text of Genesis by observing how a different Greek word was translated in the NT. These are errors that the use of a proper concordance will help one avoid.


288 posted on 11/25/2014 2:30:19 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ravenwolf
Most of the chosen apostles are not heard from, they were probably out preaching the Gospel as they were told to do.

That probably explains why we didn't hear any more about Matthias and a few others. He was probably hard at work; but Scripture doesn't say that.

Holy Scripture records a great deal regarding Paul, including Jesus Christ Personally calling Paul (by the name of Saul). In Scripture, Paul says he was the least of the (thirteen?) Apostles.
289 posted on 11/25/2014 2:34:45 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Boogieman

You are citing a verse from Genesis 2, while the days of creation are detailed in Genesis 1. Instead of reading the Bible literally, you simply assume that Genesis 2 is a continuation of the narrative of Genesis 1, but the Bible nowhere says that. It is simply your interpretation which causes these apparent conflicts.

You seem to think gen 2 is an explanation of Gen I, where does it say that?

If your view of it is literal why does it change it from six days to generations and then to one day?


290 posted on 11/25/2014 2:36:00 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Resettozero

Holy Scripture records a great deal regarding Paul,


Well, just to start a braha I will just say that the apostles Preached Christ in the name of Christ and not in their own name.

And that would fit as Jesus told them to do.


291 posted on 11/25/2014 2:40:32 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: ravenwolf

“You seem to think gen 2 is an explanation of Gen I, where does it say that?”

That doesn’t need to be stated explicitly, since it is the only reading of the text that doesn’t introduce contradictions. Since we must start with the principle that God doesn’t contradict himself, we must discount any reading that would appear to create such contradictions. Your interpretation, that Gen. 2 is a chronological continuation of Gen. 1, creates such contradictions, so it cannot be correct. Which only leaves us with the alternative, that it is detailing some of the same events already recounted in Gen. 1 in greater detail.

“If your view of it is literal why does it change it from six days to generations and then to one day?”

I’ve already explained that the word “generations” in Genesis doesn’t refer to periods of time, so there is no switch. You are creating that apparent “switch” by your confusing English meanings of words with the actual meanings of the Hebrew words they were translated from.


292 posted on 11/25/2014 2:48:59 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ravenwolf
I will just say that the apostles Preached Christ in the name of Christ and not in their own name.

This is true. But, it has become apparent to me in the last hour or so, you minimize the Apostle Paul for some reason in your posts.

He spent a great deal of time in Rome, you know. No record of Peter or James going there, except supposedly in some RCC documentations.
293 posted on 11/25/2014 2:52:30 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Elsie

It’s the old brain teaser question: Guy was walking around a nudist colony in the middle east. He’s see’s a man and woman holding hands. He shouts, “It’s Adam and Eve!”

How did he know?


294 posted on 11/25/2014 2:55:07 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Boogieman

I’ve already explained that the word “generations” in Genesis doesn’t refer to periods of time,


Yes, but I do not agree with that premise.

That is why the N.I.V changed it to account, the preachers could not explain why it said generations in ch 2 because it gives a reason not to believe in a literal six day creation.

We can see from the N.T that generations covered many years, not days.


295 posted on 11/25/2014 3:11:17 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Resettozero

This is true. But, it has become apparent to me in the last hour or so, you minimize the Apostle Paul for some reason in your posts.


The reasons have been discussed before and I am not adamant in Paul not being an apostle but am just Leary, but at this point in time it probably makes no difference.


296 posted on 11/25/2014 3:32:40 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: editor-surveyor

I agree with you:) Was posing a question to another poster.


297 posted on 11/25/2014 3:37:27 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: ravenwolf

“Yes, but I do not agree with that premise.”

I fail to see how it matters whether you agree or not, unless you are a scholar of the Hebrew language. Are you? If not, you sort of lack the authority for your opinion to matter when it comes to the meaning of Hebrew words.

“That is why the N.I.V changed it to account, the preachers could not explain why it said generations in ch 2 because it gives a reason not to believe in a literal six day creation.”

Well, I have no idea of the motivations of the NIV translators, but I don’t think that it would really be relevant either way. They may well have changed the translation to avoid confusion, but that doesn’t mean the confusion was warranted.

“We can see from the N.T that generations covered many years, not days.”

Why would you repeat this argument? Do you not understand that the N.T. is written in Greek, while Genesis is written in Hebrew, so the same word is not being translated?


298 posted on 11/25/2014 3:38:34 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: boatbums

Nothing is impossible for God!

Luke 18:

26 And those who heard it said, “Who then can be saved?”

27 But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”


299 posted on 11/25/2014 3:39:34 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: verga; boatbums; daniel1212; metmom; CynicalBear
Are they grappling because they don't "believe it happened" or that "it didn't happen that way"? Or is it just innate human curiosity trying to make sense of something they can't quite wrap their brain around?

Well if Christians don't believe God is the uncreated Creator of all, then that is quite an issue.

Also if they have issues with "it didn't happen that way" see my previous comments. God was being short and sweet with the Creation account. The focus of the OT and NT is the plan and fulfillment of the redemption of mankind.

We are inquistive creatures made in God's image and likeness. That rules out mankind coming from other primates.

300 posted on 11/25/2014 3:46:44 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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