Posted on 09/23/2014 6:50:30 AM PDT by Rashputin
Nobody said anything about other denominations, I was merely educating someone.
YHWH’s word has no suspension or postponement rules for Sabbaths ‘back to back’.
His calendar in scripture never needed to. there are no Sabbaths back to back unless one tries to use two different calendars at the same time..
Yom kippur, if we are headed into the 7th month, would be on Sunday, not Saturn’s day..
But they are starting their month on a dark moon because two sabbaths back to back would have occurred with a correct calculation..
If Torah was followed, they would reject the pope gregory calendar and the pope appointed sabbath..
But they won’t... and the world won’t... govts, businesses and religions are happy with the sun worship calendar.
Supersessionism doesn’t take up much time for Catholics.
The first day of the month when the sun is in Virgo is exactly what is detailed in revelation 12.
If one does not see it, then they are welcome to it..
It is either still the first day of His 6th month or His 7th month or 8th month on His calendar.
I know this, if it is the Messiah’s birth day, we can know why Israel was instructed to circumcise their children on the 8th day... and why Yom Kippur is on the 10th day of the 7th month..
And why after he was baptized He was led into the wilderness for 40 days..
And why He was killed on the Feast of Passover, rested in the tomb on a High Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread and Raised on the Feast of First Fruits..
New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts all point to Him and the Kingdom..each one of His life events hit them just like we can expect the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us to do..
And with the help of John the revelator and The Holy Spirit , we can know things that Israel can’t explain why they do what they do..
Or the bride can choose not to seek knowledge, wisdom and understanding..
God has an irrevocable covenant with them
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God has made an everlasting covenant, sealed with the blood of Christ. the old covenant is obsolete.
God’s people are those who are reconciled to Him in the Body of His Son.
Anyone who rejects the Son, doesn’t have the Father and will die in their sin. doesn’t matter if they are Chinese, Italian, German, Bolivian or Jewish.
Try reading Romans 9,10 & 11 with theshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
illumination of the Ru'ach HaKodesh.
>> “The first day of the month when the sun is in Virgo is exactly what is detailed in revelation 12.” <<
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No.
This is about sunset, not sunrise. It is the new moon that begins every Biblical month. The new moon appears shortly after the sun sets. It is describing the moon aligning with Bethula at sunset with Ariel aligned just beyond Bethula.
>> “God has made an everlasting covenant, sealed with the blood of Christ. the old covenant is obsolete.” <<
Yehova’s everlasting covenant, the “old” covenant, has been fulfilled in the blood of his son, and cannot be obsolete; it has been renewed in sinless blood.
This is what Moses and all the prophets declared throughout the scriptures.
You hawk the lies of the church of the false prophet.
Ezek.37
[1] The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
[2] And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
[4] Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
[5] Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
[6] And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
[7] So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
[8] And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
[9] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
[10] So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
[11] Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
[12] Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
[13] And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
[14] And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
[15] The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
[16] Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[17] And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[18] And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
[19] Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
[20] And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
[21] And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
[22] And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
[23] Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
[24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
[26] Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
[27] My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[28] And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
I wasnt talking about the sunrise. I am talking about where the moon is at the sunset.
The new moon will be spotted in a day or two at sunset around the world.
The sun position ‘in Virgo’ meant that it was passing through that particular constellation on its way to the next one, Libra ( the scales)
If Josephus can be believed, Israel observed passover when the sun was in Aries. I have no reason to doubt that because it is called the Ram and it was located at the equinox at some point in antiquity..
And certainly the scales representing the day of atonement in the 7th month where the scales could be leveled for the year makes some biblical sense..
But that isnt what occurs today if the equinox is the main fixed pont in the observance of the feast.
Either the age has changed or they are of by a month, maybe two..
And only YHWH knows..
I find it fascinating but I don’t use the pope gregory calendar to rule my work or worship life anymore..
HalleluYah!
Chuckles never said that. Every post I made was to support the Jews being forgiven in the last days. Romans 11 and the whole book of Zechariah tell of this. The Covenant has always been with the Jews. We are just adopted kids and get to share.
Sorry don’t follow your wrong interpretation of scripture. You keep sitting here looking for the Anti Christ. I am looking for Jesus Christ. We have been told we will not see the wrath of God. The Tribulation IS His wrath. You stay here and endure it. I am going with Him when He calls. Sorry dude, don’t follow your beliefs.
PS: You skip over the verse just before when it states that “He who restrains is taken out.” That IS the Holy Spirit. That means when He is gone, the Age of Grace, which is what we live in, IS OVER!!!! OVER!!!! That means we are gone. Try reading 1 Corth 15 and read it without your bias opinion that WE are somehow going to have to be purified. CHRIST DID THAT ON THE CROSS WHEN HE SAID IT IS FINISHED!!!! Nothing else done. He purified us with His blood on the Cross. Goodbye and end of conversation. Joel Osteen comes on at 6. Enjoy.
I learned 40 years ago how to read the Bible without my interpretation and to use scripture to define scripture. That is the only way I study scripture. Not by using other’s books or theology. I also use the New American Standard Version which is as close to the original Greek and Hebrew along with the concordance to compare original words.
Have you done your own study or do you just listen to others? Have you gotten on your knees and prayed for God to tell you the truth no matter what you were taught by others? The Word of God speaks to those who will listen. Do not cherry pick verses or parts of the Bible. Take ALL the references and view them together.
I do not listen to Joel Osteen.
“7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.”
In context, “he who now restrains” but “is taken out of the way” does not mean taken off earth. It means he will no longer be restraining. The Bible does not ever say the Holy Spirit leaves earth. NEVER. EVER. He will never leave us or forsake us.
Do you feel nervous about the drawdown? Are you upset at the budget cuts, our guys not getting the training they need or the supplies like gasoline and parts to repair their equipment? Our military was a restraint. That restraint is being lifted. Doesn’t mean the guys won’t defend when they can and who calls for them, but the enemy sure knows whose side this executive branch is on.
I am not going to sit here and argue the point with you. I am a believer in the Pre-Tribulation taking out of the church as Paul describes it. YOU believe as you will. I don’t agree with you and we are done here. Go away and worship Joel Osteen.
No what you learned 40 years ago was to believe a lie. you continue to follow that lie. I told you in my other response what I believed and that I will stay with. As I told you, you keep on looking for the AntiChrist. Get up every morning and go out on the porch and see if he has come. You do that. But as for me, I will continue to look UP for the Blessed Hope that is promised all who look for His coming. I don’t subscribe to your false theories. We are done.
I have read all of 1 Corinthians and it does not say that Jesus comes twice. It simply says that there are 3 resurrections. Jesus alone is one. Then there are 2 other resurrections of those in the kingdom. The first resurrection at His return and then the second when death (His last enemy) is defeated and He is totally victorious bringing His kingdom to the Father.
The first and second resurrection of those in the kingdom is also defined in Revelation 20. The first resurrection specifically defined as those who are martyred during the tribulation and who reign with Him during His reign on earth. And the “rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.” [all caps mine]
If Revelation says the first resurrection is those who died during the tribulation, who am I to argue? The rest of the dead are resurrected at the LAST trumpet before God destroys the world, when the whole kingdom is given to God to be with Him for eternity in the new heaven and new earth.
That is the unadulterated Word of God. Nothing spliced, nothing ignored, nothing added. Simple.
It is not the Word that is in question. It is your twisting of it to make it say what you want it to say instead of what it says and means. Like I said dude, we are done. No more responses. Rap all you like, you are wrong. Period. End of conversation. AND, I have such Bible experts as Dr. Tim LaHay, Dr. David Jeremiah, Dr. Charles Stanley, Hal Lindsey, Dr. Mark Hitchcock, Dr. Ed Hindson, Dr. David Reagan, Pastor Gary Stearman, Dr. Robert Jeffress, Jack Kelley, the late Grant Jeffreys, Donald Perkins, etc. ALL HAVE THE SAME BELIEFS AS I DO. So, I believe what I read, and what they say a WHOLE heck of a lot more than your wrong beliefs. Simple as that dude, you are wrong, dead wrong. The Rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ will come before the AntiChrist appears. If you are hoping to see him, or if you think you have to be purified by the Tribulation to be Saved, then you don’t think much of what the LORD Jesus Christ did on the Cross. Like I said, go away. I’m done with this post.
Nothing in Yehova’s calendar goes by the position of the sun, ever.
Josephus was a sun worshiper, thus his testimony is irrelevant.
Yehova’s calendar has always been in an ever shifting relationship to the sun. It is controlled by the Aviv Barley, not the sun.
This is why none of his feasts ever have any relationship to the sun, and it is obvious that he did this deliberately to shun the sun worshipers.
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