Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

Boy are you going to be surprised! Protestants teach from the Bible and we have our own copies. We do not have to listen to false teachings. The Bible has the plan of salvation clearly taught. Even children can understand it. It is a shame that more do not read it.

1,121 posted on 09/19/2014 8:11:47 PM PDT by MamaB

1,122 posted on 09/19/2014 8:28:41 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)

To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Elsie

If you've been baptized and believe that Christ is your Savior, ~~than you are united to the Catholic Church, which is the Body of Christ but imperfectly~~, then you are a part of the BIBLICAL Body of Christ.

I fixed it. Well thanks goodness for the "impefectly" part.

To be "perfectly" united to the Catholic denomination and it's strange Mormon, JW and Islamic etc like "we are the only true religion" apparent belief would make me an apostate to Christianity.

The Catholic Church (the denomination known as Catholicism) is not the Body of Christ.

Making the Catholic church the ONLY way to a relationship with Jesus Christ is anathema to all that Jesus taught.

Following in the footsteps of the Pharisees will not help you have that personal born again relationship with Jesus.

Christianity is based on a relationship with God through Jesus, not a denomination touted (by some of the posters here on the RF) as the ONLY way to be part of the Body of Christ (Oh except "imperfectly" oh my that is so unBiblical!)

That's why Jesus came, to get the simple message across that the Exalted Ones missed by focusing on themselves and their "righteousness" and "perfection" instead of keeping their eyes on God and His Messiah.

It seems to have gone full circle.

1,123 posted on 09/19/2014 9:59:44 PM PDT by Syncro (IMPEACH the Islamic Criminal Sex Trafficker Coyote-in Chief Obama!)

"Nobody has denied yet that Pope Francis said the words, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!". Are you saying we should pretend he didn't just because someone wrote about it that has questionable credibility? Pretty much this whole thread has been addressing actual things Roman Catholics say, teach and believe and whether or not Freepers agree with them or not. I don't think the author really matters here at this point. I question why you would even mention it."

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I don't know what the Pope tweets -- I never read his tweets, and, frankly, I don't know anybody who does (besides this former Mormon, Jennifer LeClaire, who now claims to be a prophet herself just like Mormon founder, Joseph Smith). Jennifer LeClaire claims she has received her own visions and revelations from God which add a lot of new material to the revelations found in the Bible (concerning, for example, another new covenant she claims was made between God and the founding fathers of the USA).

My first impression on reading about that completely innocuous tweet (as translated from the words of this non-English-speaking, poetic Pope), and the wildly hysterical overreaction of some protestants (and even "prophets" like this "Jennifer LeClaire"), was that it was "much ado about nothing".

To me, the Pope was just saying (in his own different cultural way) that those who do not seek the help of Mary's prayers for themselves and their loved ones "just don't know what they're missing".

It's kind of like it would be if some vegans did not avail themselves of the fine fish meal Jesus miraculously provided for everyone when He fed the 5,000, or if a teetotaler did not partake of the "best wine" Jesus miraculously provided for everyone at the wedding feast of Cana. They just wouldn't know what they were missing!

(The same holds true for those who choose to not take advantage of the opportunity to ask Mary to pray for themselves or their loved ones. They just don't know what they're missing, and as the "Mother of Our Lord", Mary is our spiritual Mother, and those who choose not to take advantage of her intercessory prayers are, metaphorically and poetically speaking of course, choosing to make themselves to some degree "spiritual orphans", in a manner of speaking.)

(Keep in mind that "real" orphans don't just curl up and die. They have many ways of living and coping and enjoying a very successful life. It is just sad that they do not have a mother to pray for them, like other folks do. Now, if someone turns their back on their living mother, and rejects the loving care she wishes to extend to them, they are in a manner of speaking voluntarily choosing to be "orphans".)

Remember too that Jesus (again, in a manner of speaking) is our Brother.

As to your not caring at all about the reliability of a writer who is trying to convince all of us of the points she is asserting, I have to say that is very strange approach to take. That's how President B-O got elected twice -- too many people just did not care whether he was honest, reliable, truthful, honorable, filled with integrity, and kept his word, or if he did NOT do any of those things.

Too many Americans got bamboozled by him, and too many get bamboozled by used car salesmen, insurence agents, other politicians, and various other con artists and scammers, including whacko Moonbat "cult leaders", authors, and speakers.

President B-O

(I hope you didn't get bamboozled and vote for President B-O, did you boatbums?) :-)

It is always better to know the honesty, integrity level, and "truthfulness" reputation of ANY author or speaker you read or hear, concerning ANY subject, and to not remain ignorant, uninformed, and completely in the dark about those authors and speakers, and their viewpoints and prejudices.

As an illustration, consider this imaginary scenario. Picture that you were writing an article about that recent Ferguson shooting, and you wanted to get the perspective of some black men who claimed they were there, and claimed that they witnessed the entire incident. And assume your objective was not to get their opinions, but that you just wanted a factual description of the unfolding events that fateful day, exactly as they witnessed them. Now pretend you have rounded up four black men from that scene who claimed they witnessed the entire episode. Here are those four black men:

Rev. Jesse Jackson, Baptist

Rev. Al Sharpton, Baptist

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, United Church of Christ

Dr. Ben Carson, Seventh-day Adventist

If you did not know anything at all about those four people, you might think they are equally honest, reliable, and full of integrity, and that you could trust all of them equally, but if you already knew a little something about them, you would be much better able to judge the reliability and truthfulness level of whatever each of them told you they witnessed that night, even if they each told irreconcilably conflicting versions of the events that night.

Now boatbums, I would strongly urge you to (in the future) start making an effort to learn a lot more about the authors you read, and the speakers you listen to, so you can make a much better assessment of any kind of prejudicial slants or distorting bias they may be putting into their writing or speaking to deceptively sway you. (The Bible tells us there are many false prophets in the world.)

(And I have to point out that the main article this thread posted was not just a factual description of a brief "tweet", but contained several more assertions than merely that one tweet, all with a particular slant and viewpoint.) Check out the obvious difference between your own narrow focus and the entire article here for yourself:

The tiny part you wish to selectively focus on boatbums

An honest look at the actual entire article referenced in this post

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"If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"
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"Pope Francis, Mary Is Not My Mother, and I Am Not an Orphan" - 9/5/2014 - Jennifer LeClaire

Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.

But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:

"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted. As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth.

Mary the Mother to the World?

First, let's explore how the pope expanded on his exaltation of Mary. During his weekly address in Rome, the pope positioned the Roman Catholic Church as a "mother" to the world and encouraged Catholics to follow Mary as an example of godly motherhood.

"In our catecheses, we have often noted that we do not become a Christian on our own, but by being born and nurtured in the faith in the midst of the people of God, that is the church. She is a true mother who gives us life in Christ, and in the communion of the Holy Spirit, brings us into a common life with our brothers and sisters," the pope said.

"The model of motherhood for the church is the Blessed Virgin Mary, who in the fullness of time conceived through the Holy Spirit and gave birth to the Son of God. Her motherhood continues through the church, who brings forth sons and daughters through baptism, whom she nourishes through the Word of God."

What About Romans 8:14-15?

Mary was a humble willing servant and a good example of godly motherhood, but she does not bring forth sons and daughters through baptism or nourish us through the Word of God beyond her example of humble servanthood in the Bible. What concerns me more, though, is the notion of people being orphans if they don't consider Mary their mother. Let's consider this statement in the light of Scripture. Romans 8:14-17 shines light on the issue of orphans in Christ—there are no orphans in Christ:

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, 'Abba, Father.' The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together."

Nowhere in these verses does it make mention of Mary. Rather, we see the Father, the Christ and the Holy Spirit at work in a believer's life. That's Bible. If that's not enough, Jesus Himself stated plainly: "I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you" (John 14:18). I don't mean this in a sarcastic manner at all, but please note that Jesus did not say Mary would come to them, or that He would bring Mary with them, or that Mary is praying for them, or that they should pray to Mary.

There are other issues in the Catholic religion that don't line up with Scripture, but suggesting that "The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan" contradicts the simplicity of the gospel and excludes the millions of Protestants around the world who honor Mary as the mother of Jesus but do not ask for her help from heaven. Christians are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1)—the righteousness of God in Christ (2 Cor. 5:21). Mary was a blessed vessel God chose to bring the Messiah into the world, but Jesus did not exalt her, and neither should we. Let's stand with the simplicity of the gospel.

Jennifer LeClaire is news editor of Charisma. She is also director of Awakening House of Prayer in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and author of several books, including The Making of a Prophet and The Spiritual Warrior's Guide to Defeating Jezebel. You can email Jennifer at jennifer.leclaire@charismamedia.com or visit her website here. You can also join Jennifer on Facebook or follow her on Twitter.

Unless otherwise specified, the opinions expressed are solely the author's and do not necessarily reflect the views of Charisma Media.
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Do you see the difference, when you really take a genuine, sincere, honest look at all of it, instead of just a quick, superficial glance at only a minute portion of it?

Goodnight, and "may the Lord bless you real good".

1,124 posted on 09/19/2014 10:19:50 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)

Thanks for responding to my post to you, not just once but twice!

"There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. And I could care less what liberal garbage came out of Vatican II, which was hijacked by protestants."

"Garbage" from your venerated leaders? That's a start, I think you are on to something here.

Besides the belief that it is all the Protestants fault. Yeah, lets blame it on them!

What's that say about a denomination if it can be hijacked by another denomination?

"Salvation is through the Catholic Church. End of story."

Does that mean you are not interested in hearing the truth? But then, that is ANOTHER story, not the one you just ended.

You know, the one where salvation is through Jesus.

So maybe I will tell you. Maybe.

"I don’t sugercoat false religions"

I noticed that with your comment about Vatican II. Good start!

Oops, then you added:

"...protestants preach a false religion and have been for 500 years."

Ah ha, them pesky Protestants again!

Seems to be a major theme that jumps out and SEEMS to bring out anger and...well...may be a problem?

I'm am not a Protestant (not a Catholic either, but a Christian), but have attended many services in Protestant congregations.

They seem quite confident and joyful in their relationship with Jesus and preach the word faithfully. Many of them quite Berean.

It wouldn't bother them in least if Catholicism tried to "hijack" their beliefs.

They would just let Jesus take care of it. He loves to help his people!

Sorry you seem to be so put upon with the mythical "hijacking" of your denomination by Christians.

1,125 posted on 09/19/2014 10:36:06 PM PDT by Syncro ("Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life! Come unto me" he says for Eternal Life with God!)

To: NKP_Vet; Syncro

There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

There is no salvation outside of Jesus.

1,126 posted on 09/20/2014 1:43:50 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)

To: Syncro; NKP_Vet

Sorry you seem to be so put upon with the mythical “hijacking” of your denomination by Christians.

So the Catholics say you can’t get to Jesus unless you are a Catholic but the Catholic Church was “hijacked” by protestants?

1,127 posted on 09/20/2014 2:00:37 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)

To: Heart-Rest; boatbums

The tiny part you wish to selectively focus on boatbums

I can assure you; that after going thru a sumptuous buffet line, with all kinds of good food and desserts; when one finds a piece of fecal material, floating in the punchbowl; the whole experience is going to be downgraded just a bit.

1,128 posted on 09/20/2014 4:32:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Funny when I state that Catholics believe that, I’m called a liar and poorly catechized

Must be the same for you.

I wonder where the rest of the FRoman Catholics are now.,

1,129 posted on 09/20/2014 7:50:07 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)

It’s the weekend: time for the other life...

1,130 posted on 09/20/2014 1:53:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

>> “It’s the weekend: time for the other life...” <<

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Yes, worshiping dead nicolaitans, and the mothers of all their gods. Tammuz’ mom is their ko-redoomer!
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1,131 posted on 09/20/2014 4:34:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)

To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Amen!

It’s so simple.

Salvation through the Catholic Church, through Mary, or through Jesus?

Biblically, Jesus. Only Jesus.

1,132 posted on 09/21/2014 12:36:02 PM PDT by Syncro ("Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life! Come unto me" he says for Eternal Life with God!)

To: editor-surveyor; Elsie

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Yes, worshiping dead nicolaitans, and the mothers of all their gods. Tammuz’ mom is their ko-redoomer!
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If I heard such babbling in a bar I’d say “I’ll have what that guy is drinking!”

Seriously, you are making absolutely no sense whatsoever!

Pick up your Bible, remove the layers of dust I assume have accumulated over years of neglect, open it and read.

We have one Redeemer and He is Jesus!

1,133 posted on 09/21/2014 3:24:48 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)

To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

You need to tell that to the catholics.

Catholics are sun god worshipers, whether they understand it or not.

1,134 posted on 09/21/2014 8:27:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)

To: editor-surveyor

They have their own beaches; too!

1,135 posted on 09/22/2014 3:14:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

(Sorry, this is none of my business, but I understand she was of the house of Levi, so I couldn’t resist.)

House of Judah.

1,136 posted on 09/22/2014 4:09:05 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.)

Never throughout the Gospels did Jesus ever make any sinner go through Mary to come to Him. Never!

I thought every Christian knew that there is only one Mediator between God and man.

1,137 posted on 09/22/2014 5:20:56 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.)

...."I thought every Christian knew that there is only one Mediator between God and man"......

Apparently the so called "millions" of catholics don't know this.... But they do know what they are taught to know by their leadership....who appear not to care what God's Word 'clearly' teaches.

Even when the people wanted to make Paul a God when he was in Athens he responded firmly....((Acts 14:12) and the people cried out they are gods,.. they responded resoundly, “we are men like yourselves.”

and again with Peter...in Acts 10:25-27.... As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and 'fell down at his feet and worshiped him'.... But Peter lifted him up, saying,... “Stand up; I myself am also a man."

The enemy of mens souls is always seeking people to turn from God to "others" or something else....And Jesus answered him (satan),.... “It is written,... “‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’”......Luke 4:8

Samuel said to all the Israelites their return to the Lord was conditional.......... "If you are returning to the LORD with all your hearts, then rid yourselves of the foreign gods and the Ashtoreths and commit yourselves to the LORD and 'serve him only'.....I Sam.7:3

...and in Exodus.... “for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.’............. This is based on a previous command of 'false worship' in Exodus 20:4-5: ....“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God,....

1,138 posted on 09/22/2014 9:06:47 AM PDT by caww

You commented........"To me, the Pope was just saying (in his own different cultural way) that those who do not seek the help of Mary's prayers for themselves and their loved ones "just don't know what they're missing".......

Which does make one question what type of twisted relationship he thinks he has with a man made dolls and statues?

Pope was "Just saying?"......No.... he wasn't 'just saying'...he was 'pointing' to someone other than Jesus Christ for help, and that by kneeling, praying, and kissing a statue and a doll of mary. His behavior and actions attest to his worship of mary.

Here the Francis consecrated "The World" to catholicism's mary...note it was NOT to Jesus Christ

1,139 posted on 09/22/2014 9:58:29 AM PDT by caww

How is this not idolatry? (rhetorical)

1,140 posted on 09/22/2014 10:58:24 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.)

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