Posted on 08/31/2014 6:04:39 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
What planet is this person living on?
The predominately Roman Catholic state of Maryland was a pro slavery state.
Roger B. Taney was a Roman Catholic from Maryland, Chief Justice of the United States, and author of the Dred Scott Decision as well as other militantly pro slavery decisions.
The only current religion that promotes and advances slavery is Islam...
Remember Religions are a God thing. Politics are a man thing. Don’t confuse the two.
More facts. Slavery ended in Brazil (Catholic monarchy) in 1872 and in Cuba in 1886 (Spanish Catholic monarchy). Both after it ended in the US. Austria did not have any possessions outside of Europe, so who knows how they would acted. The only Catholic country to end it much earlier was France, but it was ended by the anti-clerical revolutionaries, not the church.
1315: Roman Catholic Louis X, king of France, publishes a decree proclaiming that “France signifies freedom” and that any slave setting foot on the French ground should be freed.
1435: Papal Encyclical – Sicut Dudum – of Pope Eugene IV banning enslavement on pain of excommunication.
1537: Pope Paul III forbids slavery of the indigenous peoples of the Americas as well as of any other new population that would be discovered, indicating their right to freedom and property. However, only Catholic countries apply it, and state that they cannot possibly enforce what happens in the distant colonies (Sublimus Dei).
I guess when the New World was discovered all those proclamations and decrees went out the window.
“1435: Papal Encyclical – Sicut Dudum – of Pope Eugene IV banning enslavement on pain of excommunication.”
Please name for me anyone, in a position to matter, who was excommunicated for slavery between the years 1492-1886. As they say, talk is cheap.
You’re right. Your Catholic ancestors were sure bad Christians.
“How many divisions does the Pope have?”
It is not unreasonable to suggest that the Pope *should* have at least a division, if not a military division. And while this division should have arms available to it, that their purpose be solely to defend innocent life.
To start with, there is a multitude of Catholic military veterans, and there are many very wealthy Catholics. So manning and funding are not really at issue.
Their status would not be as soldiers, but oddly enough, as “Marines”, in that Marines are the one form of soldier authorized by old treaties to protect embassies and diplomats, even for countries that have no navies. And yes, these Marines would have diplomatic immunity granted by the Vatican, and possibly Italy as well.
All around the world, there are Christians in minority that face persecution from a repulsive majority, or minority that seeks to destroy them. When granted diplomatic access, part of this Division could travel to one of these communities and *teach* them to help themselves.
And, incidentally, woe be to any oppressor that thought to attack them when the Marines were present.
Such a Division could assess the situation, provide common sense training and protective measures, from concertina wire to a trench, any number of other things, as well as suggested economic and social improvements.
Chief Justice Taney was a states rights man if there ever was one. Antonin Scalia called him a great chief justice. I agree.
Cases in point:
Abp. Dolan: American Catholic Leadership against Abortion Redeems Laxity against Slavery
Statue of first Catholic Supreme Court justice may go [Chief Justice Taney/"Dred Scott" decision]
Black History: The Slave Coast
The Jesuits’ Slaves
They probably were. Unlike you who live in fantasyland, I understand that humans will act like humans. All, and I mean all, human institutions are corrupt in small and big ways. Has been since the beginning of time. To believe that ones own institutions are saintly and infallible denotes a bit of immaturity.
My Aunt Lucy was excommunicated in 1493. So there!
You understand what latae sententiae excommunication is, right? That it's automatic and requires no decree or other notice by church authority?
Immaturity? You are too nice.
I would say: stupidity.
“To believe that ones own institutions are saintly and infallible denotes a bit of immaturity”
I never said that Tonto. I posted an article about the Catholic Church and slavery. The Catholic Church is made up of men, and as such made mistakes like anyone else. No one is perfect, but you want to tar and feather the Catholic Church for all the sins of the world.
Didn’t most slaves go to Catholic countries?
“The predominately Roman Catholic state of Maryland was a pro slavery state.”
Predominantly Roman Catholic? Are you sure? Maybe right before the Civil War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland#Resurgence_of_Catholic_population
Honestly I don’t know. See below:
“As far as Catholicism goes, the Church has been the largest denomination in the United States since 1850 because of the massive waves of Irish—and then German, Italian, Polish, Hungarian, and Latin American—immigration that began hitting the shores of New York and Massachusetts in the 1830s. Indeed, between 1830 and 1860, the Catholic population in the United States grew by more than 900 percent, and by the outbreak of hostilities between the North and the South in April 1861, there were more Catholics living in the Diocese of Boston alone than there were in all eleven states that would ultimately secede from the Union, plus Maryland—the state that was home to the oldest diocese in the United States and had been the epicenter of English-speaking American Catholicism for more than 200 years.” (http://jsr.fsu.edu/issues/vol14/farrelly.html relying on Dolan, American Catholicism, 58; and Benjamin J. Blied, Catholics and the Civil War (Milwaukee: n.p., 1945), 53.)
Notice where this was read?: http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/g16sup.htm
The delusion that your hands were clean arose due to the majority of your current number, who were late-arriving immigrants presuming themselves removed from the whole matter. They were woefully ignorant of the histories of both the Palatinate Of Maryland and the Louisiana Territory, not to mention pockets of Catholicism scattered across the south dating in some instances to the seventeenth century. Most modern Catholics in the US still are. Thus, we get ridiculous hand-wringing articles such as this.
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