Posted on 08/31/2014 6:04:39 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Maybe the website you mentioned said that. It’s hard for me to know when you don’t even provide a link. In any case, you’re providing only a tiny snapshot of something much bigger. Did you know, for instance, that:
“By the 1690s, the English were shipping the most slaves from West Africa.[45] They maintained this position during the 18th century, becoming the biggest shippers of slaves across the Atlantic.”[46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade So the slave shipping trade was largely a Protestant enterprise at that time. Shocking.
“Meltzer also states that 33% of Africans would have died in the first year at the seasoning camps found throughout the Caribbean.[83] Many slaves shipped directly to North America bypassed this process; however, most slaves (destined for island or South American plantations) were likely to be put through this ordeal. The enslaved people were tortured for the purpose of “breaking” them and conditioning them to their new lot in life.[citation needed] Jamaica held one of the most notorious of these camps. Dysentery was the leading cause of death.[86] All in all, 5 million Africans died in these camps, reducing the number of survivors to about 10 million.[83]”
Jamaica was run by Protestants. How many died there I wonder?
“There were Catholic Confederates numbering in the thousands.”
In a country (the CSA) of 9 million Confederates and their slaves you think “thousands” of Confederates is worth noting?
No, I’m not wrong on other topics, but that kind of extraneous nonsense seems to make up a lot of your angry posts.
Slavery in the new world seems to have you angry judging by your reactions on this thread.
Distribution of slaves (1519–1867)
Destination Percentage
Portuguese America 38.5%
British America (minus North America) 18.4%
Spanish Empire 17.5%
French Americas 13.6%
British North America 6.45%
English Americas 3.25%
Dutch West Indies 2.0%
Danish West Indies 0.3%
Stephen D. Behrendt, David Richardson, and David Eltis, W. E. B. Du Bois Institute for African and African-American Research, Harvard University. Based on “records for 27,233 voyages that set out to obtain slaves for the Americas”. Stephen Behrendt (1999). “Transatlantic Slave Trade”. Africana: The Encyclopedia of the African and African American Experience. New York: Basic Civitas Books. ISBN 0-465-00071-1.
“No, I’m not wrong on other topics,...”
Yeah, actually you are and I have demonstrated that fact repeatedly in other threads.
“...but that kind of extraneous nonsense seems to make up a lot of your angry posts.”
Except my posts are never angry and it isn’t extraneous if it is accurate (and it is) because it touches on your credibility - which is low.
Now, let’s look at the figures you just posted:
British America (minus North America) 18.4%
British North America 6.45%
English Americas 3.25%
Dutch West Indies 2.0%
Danish West Indies 0.3%
Most of the above would mean Protestants. Hence, 29% could very well be Protestant. It might be slightly more, it might be slightly less, but clearly almost 30% of the slaves brought to the New World went to the vastly smaller holdings of Protestants in the New World. And it was largely British Protestants forcing them across the Atlantic as well.
This means your claim of 20% to 30% was accurate but 20% was definitely low end. Clearly it’s much closer to 30 than 20.
What’s so amazing about that is how tiny a population of Protestants we’re talking about. The Spanish, Portuguese and French greatly outnumber the English and Dutch Protestants here in the New World and yet those Protestants brought in and kept as slaves 1/3 of the total slave population of the New World. Proportionately this means Protestants made a greater impact in establishing slavery in the New World than did Catholics.
Different sources make it even more clear that slavery was mostly a catholic thing, but this was good enough.
I thought most conservatives knew where the millions and millions of slaves were going.
“Different sources make it even more clear that slavery was mostly a catholic thing, but this was good enough.”
And people who aren’t stupid realize that most of the New World was a Catholic thing. What also is obvious - to those who aren’t stupid - is that Protestants were disproportionately involved in slavery. For such a small number of people to possess 1/3 of the slaves transported across the Atlantic, and to be the people most responsible for transporting those slaves for almost two centuries, is truly shocking.
“I thought most conservatives knew where the millions and millions of slaves were going.”
Apparently you didn’t know that Protestants were disproportionately involved in slavery.
Deo Vindice!
“I thought most conservatives knew where the millions and millions of slaves were going”.
Catholic-hating protestants in New England sold 99% of their slaves to Catholic-hating protestants in the Southern States. That’s where they were going. I am a Southerner and for every Catholic Church in town we had 50 baptist churches. And it’s still that way. This country was founded by protestants, very Catholic-despising protestants. The only reason Catholics made it in America is because they took care of each other. The vast majority of Catholics are from Ireland, and when they came over they were treated exactly like dogs and slaves, in that order.
Just simple facts, but rage inspiring revelations to a few poor souls.
To: Alex Murphy
Didn’t most slaves go to Catholic countries?
18 posted on 8/31/2014 1:12:30 PM by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation’s electorate for democrats)
To: NKP_Vet
Slavery was pretty much a Catholic thing in the new world, 70 to 80% of slaves went to the Catholic areas and countries.
32 posted on 8/31/2014 3:31:13 PM by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation’s electorate for democrats)
The world is still enslaved..
They just don’t know it..
And the slave master uses all religion and organizations.
In america today, it is considered a holy day... but normally it is a work day for the slaves bound to the pope gregory calendar.
On our Heavenly Father’s calendar shown to us in scripture and in His sky, todY is the fifth day of His week..(6th day of His 5th month) - not a Moon day.. it is a labor day of sorts but it is not a holy day where we rest from labor..
And then using His calendar, the world will be working on His Sabbath coming up in two days..
The slavery that occurs each day in the believers is so subtle and so sneaky... they actually think they are free when their whole lives revolved around the world’s false premises..
Even protestants have to admit they follow the pope gregory calendar..that is juicy considering the fights back and forth on here..
Praise Yah! He gives us another calendar to worship Him from! But it will conflict with the man made holy days and traditions of the world...
be set free from the world or be a slave to the world..
Our choice entirely...
Give me a break. And this from a proponent of one of the most totalitarian regimes in history. Your "message of love" would be a hard sell to all the thousands burned alive at the stake at the behest of your regime.
And we wonder why we get our tails handed to us in elections. We are sitting here arguing about slavery, which ended 150 years ago. No better than the race pimps who keep bringing up reparations.
BTW, my (Catholic) ancestors had nothing to do with slavery, while my husband’s (Protestant—Baptist) ancestors did. It makes absolutely no difference in who we are as a family today.
I posted the original article to show the Catholic Church and slavery, warts and all. For that of course I was attacked by the usual haters. Par for the course. Another day on the FR Religion message board.
PP (Papist propaganda). Western civilization was built IN SPITE OF the Papacy, not because of it.
It would certainly appear that your scholarship as to General Cleburne has exceeded my own. Thanks for the correction! I admit to a degree of bias since my sainted paternal grandmother emigrated from the City and County of Cork to South Boston. <>
May God bless you and yours!
This article was written in 1999 as you can see at the top. It was indeed a different world then.
I did mention the title of the web page, which should bring it up right up on Google. I can’t copy and paste from my phone so that makes links very hard to get right. From what I’ve seen on this thread’s comments, and even more, from looking into things myself, including more this morning, it seems clear that Catholics were significantly involved in the African slave trade. It would take more research to clear up what can cleared up about specific numbers and parties, like as you mentioned, in Jamaica, but significant Catholic involvement is established. Yet, this article claims to be about “The Catholic Church and slavery,” yet doesn’t address Latin American slavery by Catholics except in passing a few times, and the omission distorts the many conclusions it tries to make while also whitewashing history.
The Catholic Church historically opposed slavery. Some Catholics didn’t.
Given the extent of it, and how many slaves Spain and Portugal in particular used while colonizing Latin America, it went beyond individual sin.
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