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A lost city has been descovered in Egypt (The Scots and the lost city of Egypt).
The Scotsman ^ | 2-12-03 | JIM MCBETH

Posted on 02/12/2003 1:56:18 PM PST by vannrox

A SCOTTISH archaeological expedition, operating on a shoestring budget, has uncovered an ancient Egyptian city, buried by the sands of time.

The expedition, which scrapes together £10,000 a year to maintain its dig near Memphis, the ancient Pharaonic capital, has written a new page of Egypt’s history.

For the newly-discovered town, situated near the necropolis of Saqqara, 15 miles from Cairo, is almost certainly where the workmen who built the pyramids lived with their families.

The presence of large temples, some nearly 200ft square, a number of tombs and the mix of large and small dwellings indicate a place where the wealthy lived alongside the artisan, a "real" town that will offer a unique insight into Egyptian life unaffected by the glamour of the royal and aristocratic classes.

The discovery is a remarkable achievement for the academics and experts who go on busmen’s holidays to work at the site near the Step Pyramid of Djoser, the oldest such structure, built 1,000 years before the Valley of the Kings.

Ian Mathieson, a scientific archaeologist from Edinburgh and the director of the Saqqara Geophysical Survey Project, said: "I do not believe we will recover any chariots of gold or fabulous pharaoh masks, but in archaeological terms it is stunning; a hitherto undiscovered town, complete, buried beneath the sand."

Such is the importance of the discovery that the Supreme Council for Antiquities in Egypt allowed the archaeologists to publish their findings, an honour reserved for discoveries of particular significance.

Mr Mathieson added: "What we’ve found indicates the town evolved from the Old Kingdom - around 2,500BC - through the reign of Cleopatra, the last of the Ptolemies, and beyond the birth of Christ to about 54AD.

"In terms of resources, it is miraculous that we continue to discover bigger and better things than teams from France and Germany which spend £1 million a year each, compared to our £10,000 to £15,000.

"In cash terms, we lag behind countries like Poland and the Czech Republic."

The Scots, who have been working on the site since 1990, are funded by grants from Glasgow Museums, the Gerald Averay Wainwright Fund and the Russell Trust.

Saqqara is the final key to the world of the pharaohs and experts believe that it will eventually give up artefacts of "immeasurable importance". It is also the location of the Step Pyramid, the prototype of the more celebrated pyramids.

The team has already recovered world-class artefacts, which are on display in the Museum of Antiquities in Cairo. But until now, the possibility of the existence of a major town was a one-line reference in the papers of Auguste Mariette and Jacques de Morgan, two archaeologists who worked there in the 1890s.

Mr Mathieson added: "That was all there was to go on, and we found it. However, it needs resources greater than ours to excavate it. But, if there’s anybody out there with spare cash, we’d be happy to hear from them."

The team has outlined the town, which is lying 20ft down in the sand, using geo-thermal equipment. It measures approximately one mile by three- quarters of a mile.

The Scots were searching for an ancient road which would have been capable of bearing the incredibly heavy loads of building materials needed for pyramids and tombs.

In finding the town, they solved a secondary mystery which has puzzled historians.

Mr Mathieson continued: "Instead of a road, we found that there had been a lake. The materials were carried by boat, and, on the edge of the lake, there was the town.

"In the past, we have excavated a gravestone, the most significant of its kind in the world, and it’s in Cairo. Who knows what lies here? The potential is immense. The Step Pyramid is also hugely significant."

The area of the digs is divided into sectors and designated to national groups. Historians know that the people who lived there were as opulent and socially advanced as those from later periods.

However, less of what they have left behind has been discovered, and fabulous treasures might lie undiscovered, possibly the equal of those discovered by the late 19th and early 20th century archaeologists.

Mr Mathieson added: "Every archaeologist would live for breaking through that wall and finding the golden chariot, but on our budget, it would be difficult."



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Mr Mathieson continued: "Instead of a road, we found that there had been a lake. The materials were carried by boat, and, on the edge of the lake, there was the town.

This statement is amazing for a number of reasons. One of which is because this statement is in complete alignment with a CIA "Remote Viewing" session on how the pyramids were built.

A partial transcript of this session was provided in the book The Ultimate Time Machine: A Remote Viewer's Perception of Time, and Predictions for the New Millennium, by Joseph McMoneagle, Charles T. Tart. You can view it HERE.

1 posted on 02/12/2003 1:56:18 PM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox
...we continue to discover bigger and better things than teams from France and Germany which spend £1 million a year each, compared to our £10,000 to £15,000.

The dastardly duo linked in print again....

2 posted on 02/12/2003 2:18:57 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: vannrox
a hitherto ....


So when was the last time you heard anyone use "hitherto" in conversation?
3 posted on 02/12/2003 2:20:37 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: vannrox
VERY interesting bump.
4 posted on 02/12/2003 2:27:00 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: vannrox
read later
5 posted on 02/12/2003 3:23:20 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: vannrox
Art Bell bump your way (I guess)
6 posted on 02/12/2003 3:26:35 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: blam
FYI.
7 posted on 02/12/2003 5:09:46 PM PST by manna
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To: manna
Got it, thanks.
8 posted on 02/12/2003 5:24:12 PM PST by blam
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To: vannrox; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
blast from the past. Thanks VannRox.
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9 posted on 12/29/2004 4:19:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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VannRox' original post, reformatted.
A SCOTTISH archaeological expedition, operating on a shoestring budget, has uncovered an ancient Egyptian city, buried by the sands of time.

The expedition, which scrapes together £10,000 a year to maintain its dig near Memphis, the ancient Pharaonic capital, has written a new page of Egypt’s history.

For the newly-discovered town, situated near the necropolis of Saqqara, 15 miles from Cairo, is almost certainly where the workmen who built the pyramids lived with their families.

The presence of large temples, some nearly 200ft square, a number of tombs and the mix of large and small dwellings indicate a place where the wealthy lived alongside the artisan, a "real" town that will offer a unique insight into Egyptian life unaffected by the glamour of the royal and aristocratic classes.

The discovery is a remarkable achievement for the academics and experts who go on busmen’s holidays to work at the site near the Step Pyramid of Djoser, the oldest such structure, built 1,000 years before the Valley of the Kings.

Ian Mathieson, a scientific archaeologist from Edinburgh and the director of the Saqqara Geophysical Survey Project, said: "I do not believe we will recover any chariots of gold or fabulous pharaoh masks, but in archaeological terms it is stunning; a hitherto undiscovered town, complete, buried beneath the sand."

Such is the importance of the discovery that the Supreme Council for Antiquities in Egypt allowed the archaeologists to publish their findings, an honour reserved for discoveries of particular significance.

Mr Mathieson added: "What we’ve found indicates the town evolved from the Old Kingdom - around 2,500BC - through the reign of Cleopatra, the last of the Ptolemies, and beyond the birth of Christ to about 54AD.

"In terms of resources, it is miraculous that we continue to discover bigger and better things than teams from France and Germany which spend £1 million a year each, compared to our £10,000 to £15,000.

"In cash terms, we lag behind countries like Poland and the Czech Republic."

The Scots, who have been working on the site since 1990, are funded by grants from Glasgow Museums, the Gerald Averay Wainwright Fund and the Russell Trust.

Saqqara is the final key to the world of the pharaohs and experts believe that it will eventually give up artefacts of "immeasurable importance". It is also the location of the Step Pyramid, the prototype of the more celebrated pyramids.

The team has already recovered world-class artefacts, which are on display in the Museum of Antiquities in Cairo. But until now, the possibility of the existence of a major town was a one-line reference in the papers of Auguste Mariette and Jacques de Morgan, two archaeologists who worked there in the 1890s.

Mr Mathieson added: "That was all there was to go on, and we found it. However, it needs resources greater than ours to excavate it. But, if there’s anybody out there with spare cash, we’d be happy to hear from them."

The team has outlined the town, which is lying 20ft down in the sand, using geo-thermal equipment. It measures approximately one mile by three- quarters of a mile.

The Scots were searching for an ancient road which would have been capable of bearing the incredibly heavy loads of building materials needed for pyramids and tombs.

In finding the town, they solved a secondary mystery which has puzzled historians.

Mr Mathieson continued: "Instead of a road, we found that there had been a lake. The materials were carried by boat, and, on the edge of the lake, there was the town.

"In the past, we have excavated a gravestone, the most significant of its kind in the world, and it’s in Cairo. Who knows what lies here? The potential is immense. The Step Pyramid is also hugely significant."

The area of the digs is divided into sectors and designated to national groups. Historians know that the people who lived there were as opulent and socially advanced as those from later periods.

However, less of what they have left behind has been discovered, and fabulous treasures might lie undiscovered, possibly the equal of those discovered by the late 19th and early 20th century archaeologists.

Mr Mathieson added: "Every archaeologist would live for breaking through that wall and finding the golden chariot, but on our budget, it would be difficult."
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10 posted on 12/29/2004 4:25:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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Okay, it beats me how I screwed up that "reformatted" version. Must have missed some code from my template.


11 posted on 12/29/2004 4:35:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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To: vannrox

Thanks for posting this. I am fascinated with Ancient Egypt.


12 posted on 12/29/2004 4:41:56 PM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the re-post; the original was before my sign-up.

Now I'll have to look for follow up.


13 posted on 12/29/2004 5:21:47 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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I was looking at a Bargain Book in the enormous chain bookstore this PM, and though I decided I needed no more books today (a new experience), I figured this would be a nice thing to find on the web. Found (so far) three images of this particular ancient graffiti, this one being the largest and clearest. I set the width to 400 pixels, just right click to save (or Mac equivalent), or click the pic to see it in all its glory at the original page. Obviously the mortar around the stone is 20th century.
Saqqara Graffiti
What? You now want it explained? See, I knew I should have bought that book... the monument on which it was found was Djoser's pyramid (mentioned in this FR thread) but it dates from the New Kingdom. Djoser (not his real name) reigned during the Old Kingdom, in the 2nd dynasty.

14 posted on 12/29/2004 5:23:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Horus Netjerykhet / Netjerykhet Ranwb
by Francesco Raffaele
New Kingdom graffiti (Step Pyr. Complex) were already known to mention the name Djoser (Netjeryhet's birth-name?); the earliest monument known reporting the name 'Djoser' (in cartouche) is the base of a statue of Sesostri II (Berlin 7702; cf. Wildung, Die Rolle, 1969, 59-60). I wonder if this name couldn't have been perhaps originated from a misinterpretation of the hieroglyph Dsr in evidence on the upper left part of numerous boundary stelae from the Saqqara complex (in Inpw/Anubis' epithet Khenty Ta-Djeser, see fig. above).

As we've said, this king is likely to have been the last in his dynasty under whom the necropolis of Bet Khallaf (mastabas K1, K3,K4,K5 this last perhaps for Nedjemankh) (cfr. Garstang 1903 and 1904).

If he was the foundator of the Dynasty, Netjerykhet would be the earliest king whose name was found on the Wadi Maghara reliefs (copper and turquoise mines), where Sekhemkhet, Sanakht and several later kings will also leave incriptions [Gardiner-Peet, 1952, pl. I.2; Weill, Recueils des Inscriptions ..., 1904, 99f.; Kahl et al. 1995, 120f.]
I like his suggestion regarding the confusion over the name for this pharaoh.

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15 posted on 12/29/2004 5:38:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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Pinging for CIA remote viewing connection.


16 posted on 12/29/2004 5:38:21 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the information & photo.

I just finished looking for follow up work on the "new" town, but didn't find anything posted yet. I'll try harder later.

Since a lot of archaeology seems to move at a geologic pace, maybe in twenty years or so excavation will be starting to get underway.


17 posted on 12/29/2004 5:53:31 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: vannrox; SunkenCiv
""What we’ve found indicates the town evolved from the Old Kingdom - around 2,500BC - through the reign of Cleopatra, the last of the Ptolemies, and beyond the birth of Christ to about 54AD."

So...what happened in 54AD?

18 posted on 12/29/2004 5:56:52 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Possibly that was when the old Egyptian deities finally gave it up for good, as Roman deities (and Greek) proliferated. But I notice that Claudius' (the first, famous emperor by that name) snuffed it that year, so it could be related somehow. One would think I'd know that off the top of my head. :'o Claudius was followed by Nero, who was a minor figure for a couple of years as his mother (Claudius' niece and also his fourth wife) exercised power (hers and Nero's appear on the coin of the realm for a time). Eventually Nero got tired of her sorry *** and had her rubbed out.

Yeah, it was a nonstop party among the Claudians. Not much of a family reunion though...


19 posted on 12/29/2004 6:48:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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To: ApplegateRanch

same location:

Egypt - New Tombs Discovered
AP Wire | June 6, 2002 | Sarah El Deeb
Posted on 06/06/2002 8:10:29 AM PDT by NYer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/695660/posts


20 posted on 12/29/2004 6:50:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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