Posted on 03/15/2002 3:26:41 PM PST by Pharmer
My fellow freepers, I must disagree with the knee-jerk responses to the immigration amnesty issue. Many think that Bush is betraying his political base, squandering political capital and endangering the sovereignty of the US by his support of this bill. Most people see this as a move to attract Latino voters in areas like California, Florida and New Mexico (He already has them in Texas). This seems to be such a risky move with possibly no real pay-off. And to do it at a time of war when we were attacked by terrorists in this country illegally truly boggles the mind. Pardon me for my lack of cynicism but I think there is more to this approach that meets the eye.
All day yesterday and last light after listening to Rush Limbaugh and browsing FR, I had my initial views validated on this issue. How could our “conservative” president betray us on a principle we hold dear? A tough stance on the issue of illegal immigration is a bulwark of the conservative movement. Had Slick Willy done this, I would be on him like white on rice for the same reasons. So why do I feel differently about GW doing it? Something in my gut told me that there was a practical reason for this policy above and beyond the normal leftist lunacy that the Dems use to embrace this issue. I cannot believe that Bush is repeating the same mistakes as his father and breaking his campaign promises.
What’s changed? Well, its quite simple… we are at WAR. A shooting one. Not some police action on a piss ant dictator with a third rate army invading his neighbor in which a victory can be assured. And after its over in 3 months we can go back to worrying about why Brittany Spears and Justin Timberlake can’t get it together. The fact is that an enigmatic enemy attacked us from within. This is an enemy that posses a grave threat to our nation and civilization. And yet a lot of people seem to think that because we haven’t had a significant number of casualties in the field that the overall threat is not as grave. But it is. Not since WWII has our nation been in such peril. But do we REALY understand that? I think Mr. Bush does. And he’s trying to make us see it. We are in real danger and the future is not certain. This ain’t no Vietnam were we are fighting and dying over there.. This is here, at home.
During WWI and II Americans faced the immigrant issue in some form. Because we are a nation of immigrants, if we are attacked here at home by a foreign nation, it has been our tradition to persecute the American population that immigrated from that nation. During WWI, German immigrants were beaten in the streets and the frankfurter was renamed the “hot dog”. During WWII Japanese-Americans were rounded up and interned in camps “for their own safety”. Now we are at war again and the same issues of immigration and loyalty are foursquare in front of us.
How do we get a handle on the illegal immigration issue which is a serious matter of national security, quickly, without rounding up illegals and pitching them out. It would be cool to watch but I wouldn’t want to be in East LA, San Diego, San Antonio or Miami when they do it. The latinos would burn those cities to the ground and leftists would be there cheering them on. Then we wouldn’t just have to worry about just Al Qiada, look out for the FALN (they are latino, aren’t they?) and the Black Panthers!
So how do we find out and identify illegals in a quick way? How do we separate to good ones (one who are here for the right reasons) from the bad? Well seeing as how incompetent the INS is and how liberal judges look at illegals, an amnesty period is exactly not a bad idea. After all amnesty is a 2 way street. You have to ask for it to get it. In doing so you will avoid prosecution and, in the end, you will be documented. It would seem to me that undocumented visitors could be deported could be shown the door quicker in light of this act. And at the end of the day you don’t look like a xenophobic fool in the history books. Municipalities regularly run tax amnesties in order to collect back taxes from well-intentioned people how owe them. It also helps single out the scofflaws.
So Freeper, you have to ask yourself, what do you want? Do you want legal immigration? Do you want people to be able to come to this country for a better life as your forefathers did and do it in a legal manner? If so seeing as how incompetent the INS is that may be difficult. Or do you simply want to stop immigration because of the ever-increasing multicultural BS that we have to endure because of it? Well the solution to that is not stopping immigrattion but in defeating liberalism! Its home grown liberals who came up with this crap in the first place!
I know that this is a tough one to swallow. It is a slap in the face to law abiding immigrant awaiting green cards, etc. It is a slap in the face to all law-abiding citizens. But we are at war…and during wartime the rules change. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. During WWII we had rationing and censorship. At the time these policies were abhorrent but practical. I guess this will be one of many things the right will be squawking about as a result. But I dare see we will be more compliant than those on the left!!!!
Me too!! (...in fact, I think we should expel all the illegals and close the borders for a minimum of 40 years!)
Just because Mr. Bush is a Republican we expect him to comply with our orthodoxy. But as you can see within this forum that we don't all see things the same way. We all want GW to be Ronald Reagan. But he's not. He is who he is. Even Reagan was not orthodox enough for Pat Buchanan.
The truth is that Bush has already equaled the domestic record of Ronald Reagan in actual implementation of conservative principles.
I was trying to be nice. I am starting to feel a twinge of sympathy for the diehard ein reich, ein volk, ein Fuherer types. They are kinda like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest -- they don't have a leg to stand on.
Regards
J.R.
Believe it.
How do we get a handle on the illegal immigration issue which is a serious matter of national security, quickly, without rounding up illegals and pitching them out. It would be cool to watch but I wouldn’t want to be in East LA, San Diego, San Antonio or Miami when they do it. The latinos would burn those cities to the ground and leftists would be there cheering them on. Then we wouldn’t just have to worry about just Al Qiada, look out for the FALN (they are latino, aren’t they?)
And your point is to have more illegals to raise Hell when they feel that they have been abused and/or when their welfare checks are late?
They have. They fear for our future, do you?
I wonder if they even care.
They do, apparently more than you.
You know its funny. 2 years ago when Elian Gonzales was in Miami, where was the hue and cry in this forum to send this "illegal alien" back to Cuba. And they DID break into his realtives home and take him by gunpoint! I guess you would support the same for the rest of them, huh?
Get over yourself. My patriotism takes a second seat to nobody.
Every last one of them should be rounded up serve a prison term and then be deported with the stipulation that if they are ever caught in the US again they won't see daylight for years.
Texans are not whining cowards afraid of the "brown horde". You on the other hand....
Under US law, he wasn't an illegal, as long as he reached shore before the Coast Guard or INS got him he became a legal resident. He did that.
Better over than on.
By definition, illegal aliens are criminals. And yes, if I could I would deport them so fast that the rapture believers would think they had been left behind.
Regards
J.R.
The election of 2004 is a perfect opportunity for real conservatives to give the Republican Party a swift kick in the pants by writing in a candidate that has stood up for our values like Tancredo for instance. Tancredo will do just a fine a job of handling the war as Bush. I can't take the strain of waiting to see what Bush is going to sell out next before we can get him out of office.
Are you going to be scratching around for a justification for him should he sell us out to the U.N. if that happens? And there is every likelyhood because there is a media black out on this historic event of allowing sovereign citizens be taxed by an unelected foreign entity. And so far, after thousands of letters, Bush refuses to divulge what he intends to do.
I don't think it has sunk in to many just how much trouble we are in here. Between the Homeland Security, zeig heil, and the Patriot Act, and disarming unilaterally our MX missles, life has changed as we know it, big time. We still don't know the score on CFR and the U.N. global tax but it ain't lookin good. The same old comprising doesn't seem to be working, if we don't stand unbending on integrity, I think we are sunk. I like to think I am a reasonable person and am happy to listen to one intelligent reason to continue to support the insupportable.
If someone wants to get all upset about immigrants, I wish someone would tell me why we have Chinese moving in everywhere. I am certain they are legal, since they are opening businesses and suuch, but I am a little suspicious, especially since I found out that the couple who run the restaurant near me were Chinese immigrants who were formerly a Russian translator and a micro-surgeon. These do not seem to me like your typical restauranteurs.
Well, as I said before, this immigration bill is not nearly anything that warrants the hysteria I am seeing here. I believe we are witnessing a manufactured outrage to stir up anti-Bush sentiments.
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