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Vanity- Immigration Amnesty is right for the country especially now
3/15/02 | my fertile mind

Posted on 03/15/2002 3:26:41 PM PST by Pharmer

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To: Pharmer
The American people are still not fully awake. We on the right are expecting a president to act on his peacetime campaign promises at a time of WAR. Get it??!! We are at at WAR!!!!

They're never going to get it. The war is just a NWO plot. It's all about Bush and the oil companies. Besides, a few million dead in America's cities would be a small price to pay if only the Paleo Ideal could be realized. It will probably be necessary for America to "hit rock bottom" anyway so that the Paleos can step in as saviors (that's a quotation from a Paleo on another thread). And in the end, what's protecting Americans from weapons of mass destruction next to the visceral satisfaction of seeing Mexican men, women, and children herded into deportation trucks?

61 posted on 03/15/2002 7:39:14 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: Pharmer
"I just think that there must be a real overwhelming need for this policy for the president to take such a political risk. I would think that before he signs this bill that he explains himself. I think there has to be a real need for this for him to take such a risk"

I hope your right, heck you may be right, you think I don't want to love Bush and be proud of him? But it is our duty as citizens not to fall down on our responsibility to be vigilant, to demand answers and accountability, to threaten repurcussions at the voters booth, and to act on them when called for, and to howl like banshees at injustice and unlawfulness. I feel like the thin red line, very thin, annorexic in fact. But hey, I've spent my life out of the mainstream, not a herd animal I guess. So please, ya'll excuse me while I do my howing like a banchee bit for my country.

62 posted on 03/15/2002 7:39:53 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Pharmer
Family custody.
63 posted on 03/15/2002 7:39:58 PM PST by Howlin
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To: FITZ
Cool. What is the dotcom unemployment rate? Orange County, California has about 800,000 Hispanics (30% of the population), and its unemployment rate is 2%. Maybe they are all Hispanics.
64 posted on 03/15/2002 7:43:38 PM PST by Torie
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To: FITZ
"the drug cartel has an extremely vast network of illegals and legals from Mexico, they are able to transport and distribute tons of drugs over the border and throughout the US. "

And how many of our officials are being paid off to look the other way when it comes to illegals?

65 posted on 03/15/2002 7:46:33 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Pharmer
If Bush wants to seal the borders, he'll have to provide amnesty first. If you want a major concession, you have to give a major concession.

And that's not a bad thing, because hispanic immigrants have brought a lot of good things to this country. Some xenophobes like to focus on crime and drugs, but they've also provided a cheap labor base--something vital to our economy. Immigration is good for America. Legal immmigration is better than illegal immigration, so shutting the borders to illegals, but allowing a steady flow of legal immigrants would be the best solution in terms of our economy and our national defense.

66 posted on 03/15/2002 7:49:08 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Southern Federalist
"Besides, a few million dead in America's cities would be a small price to pay if only the Paleo Ideal could be realized. "

And an extra added benefit to our masters is the death of the U.S. Constitution when they have some sort of legal basis for declaring Martial Law, just to make it look good to the people when they cry for safety at any cost.

67 posted on 03/15/2002 7:50:56 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Howlin
Let's start with this one. Maybe tomorrow I can set up a new poll with using the "DRUG OUT OF HERE" terminology instead. Not tonight, though. I'm outta here.
68 posted on 03/15/2002 7:52:51 PM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: Pharmer
Tlhe Justice Dept. didn't rule him here illegally, it ruled that the natural father had the right to take him back to Cuba. He was here legally as a refugee.
69 posted on 03/15/2002 7:54:05 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Miss Marple
Again, how Clintonian of you in your replies. The law is the law and all illegal aliens should be deported immediately. I understand that this concept is very hard for some people to grasp who may lack a moral compass.
70 posted on 03/15/2002 7:56:26 PM PST by healey22
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To: Tancredo Fan
Well, I still don't see where it says the American public wants them drug across the border, but I did find this:

But lawmakers now admit that most illegal immigrants won't leave voluntarily --

Which begs the questions, then how will you get rid of them, they certainly are not going to come forth voluntairly. And we certainly aren't going door to door.

And then there was THIS little tidbit:

Top congressional Democrats visited Mexico last weekend to reinforce support for legalizing the 3 million undocumented Mexicans working in the United States

Let the Democrats talk to them.

71 posted on 03/15/2002 7:58:34 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Southern Federalist
They're never going to get it. The war is just a NWO plot. It's all about Bush and the oil companies. Besides, a few million dead in America's cities would be a small price to pay if only the Paleo Ideal could be realized. It will probably be necessary for America to "hit rock bottom" anyway so that the Paleos can step in as saviors (that's a quotation from a Paleo on another thread). And in the end, what's protecting Americans from weapons of mass destruction next to the visceral satisfaction of seeing Mexican men, women, and children herded into deportation trucks?

Bravo! Well and truely said.

72 posted on 03/15/2002 8:00:06 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Southern Federalist
What are you referring to, Paleo?
73 posted on 03/15/2002 8:06:16 PM PST by fredtaps
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To: healey22
Well, I would never set myself up as the judge of YOUR morality, but I guess you feel that this is justified for your "cause."

You know, I am quite grateful I don't have YOUR moral compass. I prefer the God of Mercy and Redemption, and that is Who provides mine.

74 posted on 03/15/2002 8:08:25 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: dalereed
Perhaps someone could explain to me what in the hell business the INS had making child custody decisions? The case was in the Florida family courts, where it belonged, until Clinton and Reno decided to play politics with it.
75 posted on 03/15/2002 8:08:52 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: Howlin
Hey Howlin, what are you, some kind of slick lawyer? I notice you used the word "drag" in post number 6, before tancredo did. Then you keep posting something about wanting to see where those exact words are used. All tancredo did was use a phrase that you first introduced.

Nice obfuscation. Keep up the good work. Free Republic is filling up with guys just like you.

Surely you know there is plenty of public support for enforcing our immigration laws. Even California passed anti-illegal alien laws by a large majority.

Get over your little ego and discuss the real issue if you wish, but quit wasting our time.

I propose arrest and deportation for anyone breaking our laws. Just like they do now in thousands and thousands of case. It's really easy and doesn't require your permission. Regards.

76 posted on 03/15/2002 8:09:05 PM PST by baxter999
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To: Torie
Okay ---maybe we should deport them to Orange County instead of to their own country. I don't know why people think an unlimited number of people with only a few years of education and no English language ability is good for this country.

From http://eric-web.tc.columbia.edu/ncbe/immigration/hispanic.htm

Just over one-fourth (27 percent) of Hispanic families lived below the poverty level in 1996, about the same level for black families (26%), and more than four times the rate for non-Hispanic white families (6%). Hispanic children were more likely than non-Hispanic white children to be living in poverty, compared with only 13.2% of non-Hispanic white children. In 1993, the poverty rate for Cubans was 17 percent compared to Puerto Ricans with a 35% poverty rate. Puerto Rican families had the lowest average income in 1993, at $20, 000.

In 1992, 26.9 percent of Hispanics received some type of major means-tested assistance (covers AFDC, general assistance, SSI, food stamps, Medicaid, and housing assistance), compared with 10.3 percent of non-Hispanic whites and 33.3 percent of blacks. One in eight, or 500,000 Hispanics mothers between 15-44 were on the Special Supplemental Food Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and nearly half of Hispanic WIC mothers were born outside of the United States. For comparison, one in sixteen or 2 million mothers that are not of Hispanic origin were WIC recipients.

The Hispanic unemployment rates have been consistently higher than non-Hispanic unemployment rates. In 1992, the Hispanic unemployment rate has risen to 11 percent compared to 8 percent for non-Hispanics. In 1994, unemployment ranged from 7 percent for Cubans to a high of 14 percent for Puerto Ricans. In 1996, 10 percent of Hispanics were unemployed compared to 5.5 percent of non-Hispanics.

77 posted on 03/15/2002 8:09:46 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Texasforever
BINGO!. It is the time for the 1% parties to start fleecing the weak minded and every one of their pet "issues" are now going to milked until the coffers are full.

Bump. Reform party money drying up?

78 posted on 03/15/2002 8:10:53 PM PST by PRND21
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To: baxter999
Free Republic is filling up with guys just like you.

If you knew anything, you'd know I am NOT a guy; and I have been here a heck of a lot longer that you have, so I am not "filling up" anything.

Since the point of my original statement obviously went right over your head, I won't waste anymore time trying to explain it to you.

79 posted on 03/15/2002 8:11:20 PM PST by Howlin
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To: baxter999
I propose you find the money and finances to arrest and deport all illegal aliens. Then we can talk. If there are as many as you guys are howling about then we will have to institute a draft just to get enough people to take care of the deportation.

In case you didn't notice, there is a war on, and we can't really spare any of the military to do this. I am sure you will want to contribute your money and perhaps your service to the project, won't you?

80 posted on 03/15/2002 8:12:20 PM PST by Miss Marple
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