Posted on 03/15/2002 3:26:41 PM PST by Pharmer
My fellow freepers, I must disagree with the knee-jerk responses to the immigration amnesty issue. Many think that Bush is betraying his political base, squandering political capital and endangering the sovereignty of the US by his support of this bill. Most people see this as a move to attract Latino voters in areas like California, Florida and New Mexico (He already has them in Texas). This seems to be such a risky move with possibly no real pay-off. And to do it at a time of war when we were attacked by terrorists in this country illegally truly boggles the mind. Pardon me for my lack of cynicism but I think there is more to this approach that meets the eye.
All day yesterday and last light after listening to Rush Limbaugh and browsing FR, I had my initial views validated on this issue. How could our “conservative” president betray us on a principle we hold dear? A tough stance on the issue of illegal immigration is a bulwark of the conservative movement. Had Slick Willy done this, I would be on him like white on rice for the same reasons. So why do I feel differently about GW doing it? Something in my gut told me that there was a practical reason for this policy above and beyond the normal leftist lunacy that the Dems use to embrace this issue. I cannot believe that Bush is repeating the same mistakes as his father and breaking his campaign promises.
What’s changed? Well, its quite simple… we are at WAR. A shooting one. Not some police action on a piss ant dictator with a third rate army invading his neighbor in which a victory can be assured. And after its over in 3 months we can go back to worrying about why Brittany Spears and Justin Timberlake can’t get it together. The fact is that an enigmatic enemy attacked us from within. This is an enemy that posses a grave threat to our nation and civilization. And yet a lot of people seem to think that because we haven’t had a significant number of casualties in the field that the overall threat is not as grave. But it is. Not since WWII has our nation been in such peril. But do we REALY understand that? I think Mr. Bush does. And he’s trying to make us see it. We are in real danger and the future is not certain. This ain’t no Vietnam were we are fighting and dying over there.. This is here, at home.
During WWI and II Americans faced the immigrant issue in some form. Because we are a nation of immigrants, if we are attacked here at home by a foreign nation, it has been our tradition to persecute the American population that immigrated from that nation. During WWI, German immigrants were beaten in the streets and the frankfurter was renamed the “hot dog”. During WWII Japanese-Americans were rounded up and interned in camps “for their own safety”. Now we are at war again and the same issues of immigration and loyalty are foursquare in front of us.
How do we get a handle on the illegal immigration issue which is a serious matter of national security, quickly, without rounding up illegals and pitching them out. It would be cool to watch but I wouldn’t want to be in East LA, San Diego, San Antonio or Miami when they do it. The latinos would burn those cities to the ground and leftists would be there cheering them on. Then we wouldn’t just have to worry about just Al Qiada, look out for the FALN (they are latino, aren’t they?) and the Black Panthers!
So how do we find out and identify illegals in a quick way? How do we separate to good ones (one who are here for the right reasons) from the bad? Well seeing as how incompetent the INS is and how liberal judges look at illegals, an amnesty period is exactly not a bad idea. After all amnesty is a 2 way street. You have to ask for it to get it. In doing so you will avoid prosecution and, in the end, you will be documented. It would seem to me that undocumented visitors could be deported could be shown the door quicker in light of this act. And at the end of the day you don’t look like a xenophobic fool in the history books. Municipalities regularly run tax amnesties in order to collect back taxes from well-intentioned people how owe them. It also helps single out the scofflaws.
So Freeper, you have to ask yourself, what do you want? Do you want legal immigration? Do you want people to be able to come to this country for a better life as your forefathers did and do it in a legal manner? If so seeing as how incompetent the INS is that may be difficult. Or do you simply want to stop immigration because of the ever-increasing multicultural BS that we have to endure because of it? Well the solution to that is not stopping immigrattion but in defeating liberalism! Its home grown liberals who came up with this crap in the first place!
I know that this is a tough one to swallow. It is a slap in the face to law abiding immigrant awaiting green cards, etc. It is a slap in the face to all law-abiding citizens. But we are at war…and during wartime the rules change. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. During WWII we had rationing and censorship. At the time these policies were abhorrent but practical. I guess this will be one of many things the right will be squawking about as a result. But I dare see we will be more compliant than those on the left!!!!
President Bush has done absolutely nothing to remove the enemy from within our borders. He was surprised that the INS is still allowing terrorist into the country - yet he has not implemented one policy to prevent this. His lack of action with respect to immigration and protecting our borders is deplorable and inexcusable.
Its home grown liberals who came up with this crap in the first place!
The Republican are equally responsible. Dick Armey and team have pushed through legislation on increases in the H-1B visa program to allow so many foreigners in this country that any American engineer that was laid off last year has no hope of being able to find a job.
And the rest of the world laughs at America.
I often wonder if the "Drag them back over the border" group ever considers what this would look like to the rest of the country.
I wonder if they even care.
1. A terrorist could have entered the United States illegally within the last several years, found a U.S. citizen or resident alien to marry, and be given a "green card" and eventual citizenship,under this amnesty. This amnesty has no provision for background checks. So vis a vis the current war the amnesty is an unacceptabe and potentially catastrophic security risk.
2. All amnesties encourage more illegal immigration. Putting aside the issue of deportations and numbers of legal immigrants, this nation will never solve the issue of illegal immigration by giving amnesties to illegals and by facilitating the employment of illegals.
Our nation is witnessing a complete abdication of responsibility by our elected government in their refusal to enforce the current immigration laws. Such abdication is a slap in the face and mocks not only all immigrants who patiently submit to the current U.S. immigration system but to all Americans who strive to obey the laws of this nation.
According to most recent polls most Americans agree: Drag them out of here and let them stand in line and pass muster like the rest of 'em who followed the rules and were admitted...if they were found to be acceptable.
Exactly which poll said those exact words?
Suicide. Suicide. Suicide for the Republicans. Suicide by demographics. Suicide for conservative causes. Suicide for America.
Amnesty is a great idea...if you happen to like Atzlan and the Reconquista. Do you suppose amnesty will discourage yet more from entering illegally?...Do you doubt that in a few years, after we have a few million more illegals, that there will be yet another amnesty?
Suicide.
--Boris
Truth is I do understand. My understanding is that this is the worst attempt at justifying one of Bush's actions I've seen.
Nice try though. Defending the indefensible is a difficult task.
Borders? We don't need no steenkin borders!
Buenos noches
J.R.
According to most recent polls most Americans agree: Drag them out of here...
Just checking to see whether you knew what you were talking about or if were you putting your slant on it.
I have to disagree with you. It wasn't a nice try. It was pretty silly, really.
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