Posted on 01/22/2018 12:54:21 PM PST by Kaslin
Sometimes it is helpful to look at an issue from another perspective, to see what the other person is seeing. Since we've been hearing and reading about the immigration-DACA issue for so long now, let's attempt to look at this topic from perspectives different from the common theme. These other perspectives attempt to move beyond simple emotion and ask slightly more meaningful questions regarding the topic, reaching for a reason-based solution.
The common theme is "They were brought here by their parents through no fault of their own. Why should we punish them by making them go back?" The first word we can turn around is "punish." A completely different way to view this might be as follows. "You were born in a Central or South American country and were destined to spend your first 25 years (at least) in that country, which affords significantly fewer opportunities than are available above the Rio Grande. But, as luck would have it, you were randomly selected, among all of the 600 million people who live down there, to be able to spend your first 25 years in the promised land, where essentially every single measure of quality of life exceeded that which you initially faced. At the end of that time, you'd be asked to go back to your native country and begin to contribute there. Perhaps, when back home, you might even be able to improve your homeland. You'd have an exponentially better chance of doing so, given the opportunities you were provided. In fact, one could make the argument that you would have an obligation to do so, given the complete randomness of your selection. So, given that choice, DACA children, which would you have selected?"
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
500 Ex-DACA Criminals & Gang Members Still At Large: Will They Get Amnesty Too?
More than 500 individuals who obtained DACA benefits that were later revoked due to criminal and/or gang involvement apparently are still living in the country and at large, according to statistics provided by USCIS to Sen. Chuck Grassley, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. These cases are 25 percent of those who lost DACA status due to criminal and/or gang activity as of November 2017. Only about 30 percent of the ex-DACA criminal aliens have been removed or were in ICE custody as of November 2017.
According to USCIS, a total of 2,127 individuals had their DACA status terminated for criminal activity and/or gang activity as of November 22, 2017. In no more than 3 percent of these cases did the termination occur merely because of gang involvement; nearly all of the terminations followed criminal convictions or arrests, according to related data on the USCIS website.
USCIS provided the following breakdown of the outcome of the cases of these DACA terminations:
Removed from the United States: 562
In ICE Custody: 90
Released from ICE Custody: 535
No Record of Removal, Detention or Release by ICE: 940
Total: 2,127
Often the illegals leave a family behind and start a new one here. Which explains why if they are deported the family here usually doesn’t go back with them... Either way they split up a family- but they are doing it, not us!
They also are to blame for a lot of our identity theft overall. We don’t crack down on identity theft, etc. like we need to because we don’t want to do anything to the illegals- so identity theft in general skyrockets because we don’t strictly enforce those laws.
One of the things to remember about the DACA bunch is that THEY ALL SPEAK SPANISH (or for the rare ones, whatever their native tongue is). They spent at least some of their lives, maybe much of their teen years back home, and their parents are ILLEGALS and likely speak little or no English. If they ‘go back’ it would be us moving to Canada - a different country, sure, but the same language. And yes, most are in slums, so they wouldn’t even notice a change in their standard of living.
Many of them have not assimilated. Use up more social service resources. Protest carrying Mexican Flags and belong to groups more set on invasion in th name of Mexico. The only DACA I would accept are those that served in the military. Which somewhere out of 800,000-3.6 million individuals that number is 900 Military.
No disagreement from me!
But read the last of what was posted:
“There will be only about 50,000 true Dreamers that are granted amnesty as a one-time deal only. Those 50,000 will be the trading card for $40B in border security funding including the Wall AND a merit-based reform of immigration processing.”
MERIT-BASED IMMIGRATION MEANS NO MORE INSANE CHAIN IMMIGRATION.
Now think practically. The President gives a little to get a lot. He offers strict vetting of pending DACA applications. He knows his DHS/ICE team are going to disapprove 90%+ applications. But he tells Schmuck Schumer “Ok, here’s the deal. I’ll review the pending DACAs in return for $40 billion for the Wall and a Merit-Based Immigration System”.
So what is Schmuck to do?
Is he going to refuse to let Dreamers do their song and dance through ICE review officers? Or is he going to cave?
“And if we do not end this NOW, and do RETROACTIVE disqualification (back to 9/11/01) it will get expomentially harder when half the white population is cuckolded to the point of suicide and self-extinction.”
The sad, sobering reality.
Exactly why it is self defeating to be ‘patient’.
Now, now, we can't have all of this logic and intelligent analysis creeping into the debate! Begone with your crazy talk of practicality and reasonable compromise!
After all, there are several dozen strident absolutists to appease—ideologues who insist on making the perfect the enemy of the good.
If they can't have comprehensive immigration reform their way—and their way only—then there should be no comprehensive immigration reform at all...
I agree.
A 3.6 GPA gets you Magna Cum Laude? Standards sure have changed (i.e., lowered) since I was in high school.
We need the heart and conscience to acknowledge that larger America did nod and wink these folks in. Both parties.
People acculturated to the USA at nods and winks should not be thrown into shitholes. If I did that to my house raised cat or dog I might go to jail and it would be vain for me to argue about how many cats and dogs are already there.
I somewhat agree with caveats....the chain migration should be completely stopped for any allowed to stay, no citizenship or voting rights, secure border etc.
We know a gal who speaks and reads English perfectly, has been here since she was very small, has US born kids, US citizen veteran husband, and is a good person with zero criminal history.
She did do all her paperwork, has an itin number, etc and I think is OK no matter what happens but deporting a person like her would be an absolute travesty—possibly enough for me to sit out the next election.
I know people like I described are a rare exception but those exceptions should be treated justly-—and before anyone harps on “the law” again they might want to think about it real hard and see if you are absolutely sure you have never broken a law yourself.
Nonsense. It's not my job to check the green card of everyone building a house for me. Minding ones own business is NOT "wink and nod."
I'll go along with the two parties thing, but "we" as the bulk of the bell curve did NOTHING to encourage nor invite these people to come here.
Oh go pound!
I'd like one of you supercilious, sanctimonious, compromisers to have to go through what I went through AS A NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITZEN, to adopt an INFANT from overseas, THEN talk to me about "looking at myself."
The thing to remember is Schmuck does not care even a tiny bit about the illegals. My opinion is he is well paid by large companies to keep the border open for the cheap labor express. Large companies that hire illegals don’t want them to become citizens, they would lose the advantages of hiring illegals. As a bonus Schmuck gets their votes (we all know they do vote) for promising them the moon and stars. If Schmuck and company cared about this they would have passed DACA and given out citizenship like suckers when they had the Presidency and Congress. His tough talk is all about looking good for the Hispanic vote. As a bonus if they can make conservatives, especially Trump look like heartless, racist, unreasonable people- that is fantastic.
So I have no idea what Schmuck will do...truly no idea. When people have so many angles and have made so many promises- that Schmuck and company have painted themselves in a corner- who knows what they will do?
Gee, I though this meant the writer was finally going to look at it from the perspective of a natural born American citizen, unlike every other swinging Richard who writes for a living.
Yeah. FAT CHANCE!
How about you quit trying to find excuses for being a scofflaw.
That is why any concessions we make need to be done on a case by case basis. The problem is the dims always demand a blanket amnesty for a group or all illegals; they have promised that so long the illegals believe and expect it. That has created a real issue- the demand- which is what it is by now, is for all or nothing. I am willing to look at options but if it really is all or nothing I say nothing.
Otherwise you reward the hard core criminals or deadbeats draining our services at the same time you help people like the lady you mentioned in your post. Any reasonable person would never think they should be treated the same, but as we know many people are not reasonable. The last amnesty was full of scammers encouraged and aided by the dims, we need to be assured there is truly a real vetting system.
Many that were signed up under Obama’s DACA have or are now eligible for deportation because they have committed crimes or not followed through with requirements that I have to believe many were signed up that likely didn’t really qualify to begin with.
If the dims had not promised them the moon and stars all these years, we could more easily help those that would contribute to this country. The dims promises also lead to the other issues; many don’t feel like they need to assimilate, they don’t feel loyalty to this country, they feel that we OWE them something. A fairly large number think we took part of their country so they have more right to be here than we do. This is why many of them are making demands instead of understanding that they are asking us to do something for them. The illegals need to have realistic expectations but don’t know how that will happen with the brainwashing done by the dims all these years.
I don’t know what the answers are, truly I don’t. I have been concerned about these issues for 40 years and don’t know the answer. I do firmly believe whatever we do needs to be in the best interest of our country and our people, just has to be. That is how we have to approach every issue, not just this one. I am not willing to hand out citizenship to anyone that came here illegally. I would be open to some illegals being able to get student visas, work visas, etc to allow them to stay here legally but not citizenship.
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