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Is Communism Worse Than Nazism?
Forward ^ | October 3, 2017 | Cathy Young

Posted on 10/16/2017 4:10:10 PM PDT by SJackson

In the new normal of 2017, in which far-right and far-left militants clash openly in America’s public square, a contentious 20th century debate is newly relevant: is the extreme left as dangerous and repugnant as the extreme right? Should the hammer and sickle be as offensive as the swastika? Was Communism as evil as Nazism — a question sure to generate plenty of heat as we approach the 100th anniversary of the Russian revolution?

Conservatives have long complained of a double standard for Nazi and Communist crimes. To manyon theleft, on the other hand, equating Communism and Nazism is an obscenity bordering on Nazi apologism. Some whose life’s work is focused on the Holocaust, such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Ephraim Zuroff, also object to what they see as a pernicious false symmetry.

It is a question of particular personal relevance to me, as a Jew born in Soviet Russia, where I lived until coming the United States as a teenager in 1980. There were victims of both Communist and Nazis barbarism in my own family. My paternal grandparents were survivors of Stalin’s gulag, imprisoned for trying to escape to Israel and thankfully released early because of Stalin’s death. My father’s uncle was killed in one of Hitler’s death camps.

In the closet-dissident, mostly Jewish milieu where I grew up, the belief that Stalin was as bad as Hitler and that Communism was Nazism’s equally odious twin was entirely commonplace. More than that: there was a not-uncommon view that Communism in its Stalinist incarnation was worse. To a large extent, this reflected the influence of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, whose works (especially “The Gulag Archipelago”) were clandestinely and reverently read, and who was quoted as an authority on Communism’s higher body count and greater cruelty.

Later, in the United States, I had the jarring experience of seeing American liberals use “anti-Soviet” and “anti-Communist” as pejoratives, and frustrating conversations with people who thought Ronald Reagan’s description of the Soviet Union as an evil empire was crude warmongering.

But I also encountered the fact that the crimes of Communism were sometimes used to minimize the Holocaust or suggest that the mass murder of Jews was getting too much attention. At worst, those parallels were given an overtly anti-Semitic twist by people who blamed Communist mass murder on “Jewish Bolsheviks,” suggesting a moral equivalence not just between Communists and Nazis but between Jews and their persecutors. (Such arguments now flourish on the “alt right,” with references to the “Jewish Holodomor” — the Ukrainian terror-famine of 1932-33 — as a counterpart to the Holocaust; never mind that by 1932, the twelve-person Soviet Politburo bolsheviks had precisely one Jewish member.)

Today, I agree with Elie Wiesel’s judgment, in his 1975 essay “Why Solzhenitsyn Troubles Me” (published in the 1978 collection, “A Jew Today”) that there is something troubling about Solzhenitsyn’s tendency to treat the Holocaust as a lesser crime than Stalin’s butchery. However, Wiesel’s point was not to dismiss Communism’s crimes as lesser, but to argue that “there is a limit in evil beyond which comparisons are no longer relevant.” And in a 2004 interview, he observed that Communism was similar to Nazism in its conviction that the end justifies murderous means.

For many, it’s the ends that make a key difference. As British historian Orlando Figes wrote in his 1997 book, “A People’s Tragedy: The Russian Revolution 1891-1924,” Communism is viewed as an expression of “humanity’s historic striving for social justice and comradeship,” a noble dream turned to horrific nightmare. Nazism, on the other hand, stood for racial supremacy and brutal oppression of “lower” races. Thus, Figes argues, the Communist experiment inspires some sympathy or at least respectful understanding, while the Nazi project “can only fill us with revulsion.”

But how meaningful is this distinction? Figes himself shows that from the first days of the Revolution, terror was an essential part of Bolshevik creed, enthusiastically embraced by Vladimir Lenin and his comrades-in-arms. Mass murder of the “class enemy” was openly and explicitly advocated, not only as revolutionary strategy but as a tool of social transformation.

“We must win over to our side 90 million of the 100 that populate Soviet Russia. There is no talking to the rest — they must be eliminated,” declared Grigory Zinoviev, Bolshevik leader and close Lenin associate, at the September 1918 Petrograd conference of the Russian Communist Party. Two years later, fellow revolutionary (and in less than two decades, fellow victim of Stalin’s terror machine) Nikolai Bukharinwrote, “Proletarian coercion in all its forms, from executions by shooting to compulsory labor, is, paradoxical though it may sound, a method of molding Communist humanity out of the human material of the capitalist era.”

What’s more, the Soviet ideal of a brotherhood beyond ethnic and racial lines often turned, in practice, to systematic persecution of populations seen as more loyal to their own kind than to the Communist fraternity — be it Ukrainians in the early 1930s or Jews in the late 1940s and early 1950s. (Had Stalin lived a little longer, Soviet Jews might well have faced mass deportation to Siberia, a de facto death sentence for many.)

Conversely, Nazi racial supremacism was often masked with proclamations of freedom, brotherhood and justice for (German) workers. It’s no accident that one of the most popular songs of the Russian revolution — “Bravely, O Comrades, march onward” — was adopted as a hymn by the Nazis with barely changed lyrics, except for a line extolling Hitler and a reference to corruption by Jewish gold. Likewise, a look at Soviet and Nazis posters shows a strikingly similar esthetic.

The Holocaust was a unique evil in its diabolical attempt at the total annihilation of a people. Nazism created death camps, while the camps of the gulag were not specifically intended to kill — though in at least some of them, quickly working people to death seems to have been a deliberate policy.

Stalinism had its own distinct evils, including random terror that struck down even those most loyal to the regime. An ordinary German who either supported the Nazi regime or took no interest in politics generally had no reason to fear arrest. In the Soviet Union under Stalin, as British writer Martin Amis wrote in his eccentric but fascinating 2002 study, “Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million,” “Everyone was terrorized, all the way up: Everyone except Stalin.” (“Koba” was Stalin’s nickname in his revolutionary days; twenty million is a low-end estimate of Soviet Communism’s human toll.)

You could be arrested and sent to the gulag because someone denounced you for an absurd reason: the aunt of a family friend of ours in Moscow was imprisoned because someone reported that she played a funeral march on the piano the day Bukharin was shot. Or a scapegoat could be needed for production problems at the factory where you worked. My maternal grandfather, a Party member and an aviation engineer, sometimes said to my grandma, “If they arrest me, please don’t believe that I’m an enemy of the people.”

In “Koba the Dread,” Amis struggles with the difference between attitudes toward Communism and Nazism and concludes that, on a visceral level, the “species shame” at the human capacity for monstrous deeds is “deeper in the case of Germany.” He attributes this partly to the Nazis’ “biomedical” approach to extermination.

And yet Amis also notes ways in which Communism was the worse poison: for instance, it destroyed civil society—social bonds and institutions independent of the state—in a way Nazism did not, which made recovery from Nazism easier. Moreover, “Nazism could not be duplicated” (other fascist states did not even come close); on the other hand, “Bolshevism was exportable, and produced near-identical results elsewhere.” Indeed, the Communist experiments in China and Cambodia were far more barbaric than in the Soviet Union, both in terms of total state control over everyday life and in terms of mass slaughter.

Still, sympathy for the noble dream persists; even outright Communist apologetics can still be found on the progressive left. Three years ago, Salon.com ran a piece by activist Jesse Myerson titled “Why you’re wrong about communism,” supposedly a debunking of Americans’ “huge misconceptions” on the subject (but actually a hodgepodge of excuses and red herrings).

In 1999, a group of historians published “The Black Book of Communism,” a monumental examination of the crimes of Communist regimes. Left-wing journalist Daniel Singer took them to task in The Nation for a one-sided approach that left out the good things: “There was also enthusiasm, construction, the spread of education and social advancement for millions.” Singer was particularly dismayed because he felt that the authors were using Communism’s record to discourage belief in “collective action and the possibility of radical transformation” and promote resignation to the way things are.

But liberal democracy, for all its (currently glaring) flaws, already allows for collective action and social change. And Communism’s record should indeed be a warning against the pursuit of “radical transformation,” especially by violent means — as much as Nazism should be a warning against the dangers of militant nationalism rooted in ethnic or racial identity.

The goals of communism, and left-wing radicalism in general, may not be as blatantly repugnant as the goals of Nazism, fascism, and right-wing radicalism. But that makes left-wing radicalism more seductive to men and women of good will — and in that sense, perhaps, most dangerous.


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1 posted on 10/16/2017 4:10:10 PM PDT by SJackson
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I'm comfortable with Elie Weisel's comment, there is a limit in evil beyond which comparisons are no longer relevant, though for some it is relevant in the context of recognizing evil.

2 posted on 10/16/2017 4:11:56 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: SJackson

Nazism is a great evil lurking in a bottle labeled “POISON”.
Communism is the same great evil but it lurks in a bottle labeled “CANDY”.

Same thing, really, but I think Communism is more dangerous.


3 posted on 10/16/2017 4:14:00 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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To: SJackson

But Nazism and Communism are both leftist just that Nazism is slightly to the right of Communism.

Nazism controls the means of production whereas Communism owns the means of production.


4 posted on 10/16/2017 4:14:20 PM PDT by angry elephant (My MAGA cap is from a rally in Washingon state in May 2016)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Same thing, really, but I think Communism is more dangerous.

I think Jews would disagree.

5 posted on 10/16/2017 4:15:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SJackson

About the same. Both were low life’s deciding they knew what was best, and willing to murder innocent helpless people to obtain it.


6 posted on 10/16/2017 4:18:36 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ...)
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To: SJackson

Neither is worthy of being called better than anything else, so neither can be worse than the other.


7 posted on 10/16/2017 4:19:00 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: SJackson

Good article.


8 posted on 10/16/2017 4:20:09 PM PDT by x
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To: angry elephant

Even if Nazism is a leftist ideology, the fact that the extreme right embraces the swastika makes it appear that Nazism is right wing. And appearances rule.


9 posted on 10/16/2017 4:20:25 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: SJackson

Is a Panini grill better for steak than a George Foreman grill?


10 posted on 10/16/2017 4:20:27 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: dfwgator
Same thing, really, but I think Communism is more dangerous.

I think Jews would disagree.

The Ukrainians would not, though.

11 posted on 10/16/2017 4:20:43 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: SJackson

The difference between Communism and Naziism (i.e. fascsm) is the difference between bull crap and horse crap. They’re both crap.

In fact their worse than crap. They are downright evil and murderous.


12 posted on 10/16/2017 4:21:17 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: SJackson
Nazism = Totalitarianism = Communism = Evil

The corpses in the gulags were just as dead as the corpses in Dachau.

The trauma of Gestapo terror was no less brutal than its NKVD cousin.

Citizens in both evil empires were similarly disarmed, rendering them relatively defenseless against a megalomaniacal government.

13 posted on 10/16/2017 4:22:33 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: SJackson
Well,you look at history's recent mass murdering psychopaths and you find that one was a Nazi and two were Commies.

IOW,neither type of psychopath is one you wanna have around.

14 posted on 10/16/2017 4:23:39 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (ObamaCare Works For Those Who Don't.)
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To: SJackson

Nazi or Communist is just the same thing with slightly different flavors.

For both The State is Supreme. For both, violence and war are integral to spreading their ideology and very just and moral in their thinking. For both the individual is the servant of The State and totally expendable in the interests of The State. It is for the greater good you know.

Odd is not, that those who sacrifice all for the greater good, whimper and beg when faced with certain death. At that last instant they become human.

About the only difference is if one or the other had of one is you would be speaking German or Russian but it must be pointed out that Marx was German. His ideology corrupted Russia, China, and Germany. Hundreds of millions have died because of this.

Antifa is just the latest flavor of the same evil thing.


15 posted on 10/16/2017 4:23:42 PM PDT by cpdiii (cCH)
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To: dfwgator
I am a Jew, and I maintain evil sprouts the moment one deprives a man of open, public due process. No communist or fascist regime has ever been able to survive without a secret police: there is the key similarity.
16 posted on 10/16/2017 4:24:08 PM PDT by golux
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To: cpdiii

” had of one”

should read as “had of won”

My stupid fingers did it again.


17 posted on 10/16/2017 4:25:26 PM PDT by cpdiii (cCH)
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To: golux

I agree, even though I don’t know what “maintain evil sprouts” actually means.


18 posted on 10/16/2017 4:25:47 PM PDT by Kalamata (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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To: golux

And of course Stalin was no fan of Jews neither. I still think he let Hitler go into the areas of the Soviet Union where most of the Jews lived, knowing Hitler would take care of his ‘Jewish Problem’ for him.


19 posted on 10/16/2017 4:26:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SJackson

The difference between naziism and communism is that the communist eventually violates Godwin’s law.


20 posted on 10/16/2017 4:27:27 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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