Posted on 09/29/2016 8:13:12 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
It’s called Gaslighting.
The gaslight media is gaslighting us.
When you look at the internals and compare them with the leading margins that she has according to this poll, this is rather disappointing on Hillary’s part. The D+ advantage in this poll is well ahead of the one Obama actually had in 2012 and more comparable to the one he had in 2008. Why would we expect her to have this sort of thing?
“99% of the polls the day after the debate showed Trump up and winning the debate”
I wouldn’t get too excited about the snap online polls. If anything they show enthusiasm like the Trump rallies. To say Trump actually won the debate is stretching it...he had a good 30 minutes in the beginning and faded after that. He gave up dozens of chances to nail her...he wasn’t prepared.
Hopefully he will spend more time on the next 2.
It’s OK. Rest easy. No Problem. PPP is as believable as Hillary Clinton.
“The gaslight media is gaslighting us.”
To bad it’s the equivalent of a 15 watt bulb.
I agree. Whether the polls are rigged or not, we still need to work to work to get Trump so far ahead they can’t lie.
The entire clinton gene pool is polluted.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3474836/posts
So can you tell us what you think of this one since you are just jumping to only certain polls to keep posting “not good”?
Jesus, what a goofy reply.
Every election cycle people on FR are yelling about the poles being wrong. Now we are going to attack Rasmussen? He was THE MAN on FR in 2012. Look, Trump was terrible in the debate, he was AWFUL. Blame the poles, accuse Hillary of cheating, make any excuses you want but it does not change the fact that Hillary kicked his ass. Now our boy is a quick study and I am sure that he will crush her in the next two debates but let’s be grown-ups and look at the truth, Trump sounded like a bumbling idiot,let’s hope he learned something and comes back with a vengeance.
I told you, expect push polling and gas lighting post debate... at least for about a week or.... as polls not involved in this will come out making this crap look ridiculous, and reality will be forced back into the mix.
And he will. The man doesn’t have two bad appearances in a row. Attack, attack, and attack. Who cares what the MSM will say the next day. Millions of Americans want this woman taken to the political woodshed and Trump didn’t do that on Monday. I’m sure Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr got in his ear and told him his passive attacks on Hillary have to be escalated.
See post 50... I warned everyone this was coming... relax. Check back in a week or so.
GO TRUMP/PENCE
GO TRUMP MAGA
We haven’t see nothing yet wait until a week left to election and we all going to see accusing TRUMP OF all kind of things, voter fraud especially in VA,PA,OH,NC,FL AND CO. They are NOT going down that easy.
GO TRUMP
Did some research on them this is from New Republic which is a border line semi decent source:
There’s Something Wrong With America’s Premier Liberal Pollster
The problem with PPP’s methodology
BY NATE COHN
September 12, 2013
No pollster attracts more love and hate than Public Policy Polling. The Democratically aligned polling firm routinely asks questions that poke fun at Republicans, like whether then-Senator Barack Obama was responsible for Hurricane Katrina. Not coincidentally, Republicans routinely accuse them of being biased toward Democrats. Last fall, PPP was front and center in conservative complaints about allegedly skewed polls. But when the election results came in, PPP’s polls were vindicated and the conspiracy-minded critics were debunked.
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Pollsters, though, tend to judge one another based more on methodology than record. And for experts and competitors, the firm’s success remains difficult to explain. PPP doesn’t follow many of the industry’s best practices, like calling voters’ cell phones; the firm only calls landlines. It discards hundreds of respondents in an unusual process known as “random deletion.” And because PPP’s interviewers rely on lists of registered voters—rather than random digit dialing—and simply ask non-voters to hang up the phone, the firm can’t use census numbers to weight their sample, as many other pollsters do. This forces PPP to make more, and more subjective, judgments about just who will be voting.
In PPP’s telling, the Raleigh-based firm overcomes the odds by mastering those subjective judgments, perfecting the art of projecting the composition of the electorate—the same art that eluded Republican pollsters in 2012. If this explanation was satisfying, perhaps PPP could settle into the top-ranked pollster slot without great protest. But PPP’s success, in fact, did not reflect a clairvoyant vision of the electorate. The racial composition of their polls swayed wildly. A recent Georgia poll was just wrong.
After examining PPP’s polls from 2012 and conducting a lengthy exchange with PPP’s director, I’ve found that PPP withheld controversial elements of its methodology, to the extent it even has one, and treated its data inconsistently. The racial composition of PPP’s surveys was informed by whether respondents voted for Obama or John McCain in 2008, even though it wasn’t stated in its methodology. PPP then deleted the question from detailed releases to avoid criticism. Throughout its seemingly successful run, PPP used amateurish weighting techniques that distorted its samples—embracing a unique, ad hoc philosophy that, time and time again, seemed to save PPP from producing outlying results. The end result is unscientific and unsettling.
I agree it’s insanity for the GOP to agree to these ambushes. He’ll be fighting not only Clinton, Cooper and Raddatz but also a stacked audience armed with “Aleppo” questions. He needs to put on his Queens, NY pants and get ready for a fight.
Trump didn’t do great in the debate, but again, he didn’t need to.
Undecideds by and large have already written off Hillary... they are only watching to decide if they can vote for Trump or not, and in that debate he came out looking reasonable, and that’s all he had to do.
Polls that have tracked such things, how many undecideds changed their minds... The trend is clear, the range is 3 to 1 to 7 to 1 depending on the poll went Trump vs HIllary if they made a decision out of the debate.
Hillary isn’t up anywhere, she sure didn’t take any lead in FL or NC... this is gas lighting folks... nothing more. Come back in a week.
here’s some of it:
Democrat 41%
Republican 32%
Independent/Another party 27%
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_PostDebatePoll_92616.pdf
he could have blasted her so bad, but he fell for the goading, which he had to know was coming...frustrating. That aside, why the RNC agrees to any of these so called debates nowadays is beyond me. They are all just set ups and traps. Nixon learned his lesson in 1960, and never debated again...and he did just fine.
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