Posted on 07/29/2016 7:17:06 AM PDT by fwdude
“How are we going to defeat the Left if we turn against G-d like that? How can we do anything without Him?
We are following Bible prophecy to the letter. We will continue to lose all these little battles, but we win the war. Tighten your seatbelts and watch it unfold.
YOU ARE DEAD WRONG in these beliefs, our culture HAS CHANGED our FREEDOMS are being eroded, WE are being thrust into GOBALISM social justice where the weath of the nation is being brought DOWN to equal those of 3rd world nations my faith has become between me and my God!!! If someone IS gay that IS between them and their God!!! I will ALWAYS accept someone being gay if they BELIEVE in FREEDOM and are NOT trying to push their sexuality down my throat or businesses throats!!! Their are many gay people who just wish to live their lives in FREEDOM and what they do in their bedroom does NOT affect me in ANY way!!!
I’m hardly on the “Christian Right.” And you know nothing about what I put up with in the theater in NYC and how I fight back against the Entertainment Left.
If you want to like Milo, fine with me. But this is hardly the thread to start beating up on Christians - the majority of whom fought in the 70s and 80s for Reagan, welfare reform, abortion control and myriad other causes for which they deserve praise.
Yeah, I’ve heard of Him. He already came. He fulfilled Mosaic Law and established a New Covenant which we’re now free to live under due to His Grace.
Have you heard of Him?
“BTW churches are full of sinners too!”
Yup, and hospitals are full of people looking for help to get better, too.
I’ve already been pummeled on this thread! You’d think they’d start their own Milo fan club (the way some of them once had the Glenn Beck fan club) and leave those of us doubters alone.
Count me in too. When he says the feminist send a wrong message about it being ok to be fat and ugly and it being bad for their health, someone needs to remind him that his lifestyle is probably just as unhealthy or not worse.
My objection to voters who put social issues like homosexual marriage first is the same as my objection to people who vote solely on fiscal issues like tax cuts. All worthy goals, I suppose, but there won't be any taxes to cut or moral order to impose if you don't have a functioning nation first. There's no sense worrying about the tax code when increasing parts of the country are looking more like a Central American slum with each day, or worrying about who gets to marry whom when our cities are being looted and burned by BlackLivesMatter thugs and jihadis.
Didn’t say he did. He also did not give up on sinners or dissociate Himself from them. He walked among the sinners, talked to them, preached to them, tried to bring them into His Church. Why should we act differently? We don’t have to condone homosexuality. We should not change our views on gay marriage to attract homosexuals. We should not cave on transsexual issues. When there are gays who side with us and vote for our candidates, though, we should not push them away either. If they’re voting with us they already know and accept that our candidates don’t support the gay agenda. If they’re ok with that why should we push them out?
I can’t believe people here are saying what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms are no concern to us! If only that were the case! Everything you cite is the exact opposite of privacy.
And for gay men, sexuality, the penis, is the only thing they think about. They are sexual obsessives. Even a genius, like the late great Quentin Crisp (who I was privileged to know) admitted this. He was pilloried for it.
“It’s just reality to face the shrinking number of hard core Christians that exist now and start attracting people to the Republican party that agree on more than religion. I understand that is not a popular opinion here and can accept your criticism while still working with you.
Alt-right is a growing group while religious conservatives is getting smaller.”
The bible does state something to the effect of the gate to heaven being narrow and the road to hell being wide.
In listening carefully to some of Milo’s earlier debates, he refutes any notion that he was “born that way.”
He himself has admitted that his homosexuality is a choice; he has acknowledged that it is sin, and that he struggles with it daily.
But in continuing to watch him as he has become a controversial superstar, something strange seemed to happen to Milo.
It seems to me, that as conservatives began to celebrate him as one of our own due to some of his views, we managed to convey the notion that we were celebrating—or at least condoning— his homosexuality as well.
After which, Milo seemed to “come out” even more, dispensing altogether with any talk of struggling against his urges, culminating with his appearance in front of the aforementioned photos of naked children.
Was he really trolling conservatives, not liberals, from the get-go?
Was all this according to some scripted plan?
Was he a trickster, a double agent all along?
I can’t help but wonder.
Perhaps a better way for conservatives to deal with him, and others like him, is not to isolate and reject, but to pray for him and with him. We can continue to agree on matters economic and political, but we must not FORGET to encourage him in his struggle against this sin, and help him—no, insist—that he must try to turn away from it.
That’s the thing. We must not forget or soft-peddle, or be timid and afraid to sound uncool, on things like this.
One’s understanding of what conservatism means determines whether it is possible to be a gay conservative. I think that definition should also include conserving the wholesome morality of the past.
That said, I can form alliances. The nature of a two party system requires it.
In contrast, having the US transformed to a Third World country through mass immigration does effect my quality of life, as does the proliferation of radical jihadi movements and radicalized racial movements like BlackLivesMatter. That's why I really have no objection to someone like Milo Y. being treated as a political ally. It's also the reason why even people who find homosexuality disgusting found the jihadi attack on homosexuals in Orlando infinitely more disgusting.
It's a matter of picking your political fights.
A well-said, intelligent post about Milo!
I call it the Andrew Sullivan effect. America is VERY bad for gay Brits who come here as reasonably humble people and turn into monsters through too much praise and easy money and publicity.
If you can find an hour long video, made with a friend before his admittedly nice press conference in Orlando, it’s a farrago of gross language, woman hatred, drug praise and his beloved talk of pillow biting with large black men.
Milo is not stupid and he has said many good things and when he wants to be, quite charming. But as a follower of him on Facebook, I know there’s a dark side as well. Move over Andrew! Another Brit is comin’ in!
Never said He was, but He didn’t just give up on them either. He didn’t say that there were certain people He didn’t want as follewers because of their sins. Why are we saying there are certain people we don’t want in our party because of their sins?
We shpuld not compromise our principles to attract gays. However, there is a subset of the gay population that votes with us even though we oppose the gay agenda. If they’re not agitating for us to accept the gay agenda, why should we drive them away? They are implicitly supporting conservative principles at a societal level even if they are not doing so on a personal level.
Besides, do you really think Jesus asked sinners to repent once and then gave up if they refused? If a sinner initially refused to repent, but later realized his error, did Jesus say “Nope, too late, you had your chance and you blew it”? Of course not; He doesn’t give up on sinners, and it’s never too late to find Jesus and repent. Jesus loves us all, even unrepentant sinners. Perhaps gays who become conservative are guided by God to us so that they can have a chance to be saved? Maybe they just haven’t found Christ yet. Being rejected by overly rightious Christians surely won’t help them find Christ and repent, though. Do we not have a responsibility to help these people rather than just casting them aside as hopeless cases?
I have no fight with Milo. This is a discussion forum, nothing else.
But I live in NYC where I see gay guys every day - with their adopted girls and boys dressed like little cabbage patch dolls. Charming perhaps until - as I once witnessed - a vicious meltdown occurred when one little girl pee’d on her daddy’s Ralph Lauren blouse. Chilling, to say the least.
I see the signs on their establishments that say “If you don’t believe in gay marriage don’t enter this store.” (So much for their vaunted tolerance!) And, of course, the gay pride parade and worse, the West Village Halloween parade.
I also know some quiet gays who mind their own business and one who even votes Republican. But, believe me, they are few and far between.
I disagree- they USA was an entire country founded on basically conservative principles united under one government.
Why would that not work with the rest of the planet?
In fact, I submit it would be THE ONLY thing that would work for th whole panet- we know socialisms massive failure mode.
It is not about committing the sin it is about reveling in it. It is the un-repentent middle finger to God that Christians find revolting. People who truly follow Christ are very well aware of their sinfulness and they do 2 things. First they ask for forgiveness, and second they promise to try to sin no more. If a gay speaker who was not actively leading a perverted lifestyle presented himself to conservatives, there would be no problem. Homosexuality is an evil perversion of the God given gift of human sexuality . It is a choice to behave in a way that separate’s oneself from God (which is the definition of sin.)
But other than that, yeah, I know what you mean.
For instance, there's a certain element here which takes pride in driving all Mormons out of Free Republic. That's no way to build a conservative website, let alone a conservative electoral victory.
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