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Will Britain Leave or Remain in the European Union?
Townhall.com ^ | March 31, 2016 | Michael Barone

Posted on 04/01/2016 5:22:22 AM PDT by Kaslin

On June 23, when Donald Trump will or will not have won the 1,237 delegates he needs to be nominated, voters in Britain will decide an issue as divisive as Trump's candidacy: whether the United Kingdom will remain in or leave the European Union.

It's not a decision that has attracted much attention in the United States. The Obama administration has weighed in, urging Britons to vote to remain. That's the same approach taken by every American administration for 60 years. The default assumption is that we have done pretty well over the last 240 years with a Union of disparate states, so we should encourage Europeans to form one of their own.

Accordingly, post-World War II administrations cheered the creation of the European Coal and Steel Community in 1951 and the six-member European Economic Community in 1957, which has now become the 28-member European Union. The original idea was to link the French and German economies, to prevent those nations from going to war again as they did with horrendous consequences in 1914 and 1939.

In line with the wishes of Jean Monnet, the Frenchman who more than anyone else created the EU, its founding document promised "an ever closer union." In practice this has meant that the EU regulations, specifying for example the shape of bananas that can be sold, apply in EU members whether voters like them or not. It means that a European court can overrule member governments on whether terrorists can be expelled from their countries.

That's one reason that about half of British voters, to judge from the fluctuating polls, are ready to vote to leave. Britain was not an original member of the EEC but sought to join in 1963. Its application was vetoed by France (most EEC and EU decisions must be unanimous).

French President Charles de Gaulle, in one of his famous press conferences where he would set out answers regardless of the questions asked, enunciated the reasons for his veto. "England in effect is insular, she is maritime, she is linked through her exchanges, her markets, her supply lines to the most diverse and often the most distant countries; she pursues essentially industrial and commercial activities and only slightly agricultural ones. She has in all her doings very marked and very original habits and traditions."

Among those traditions is English common law, based on centuries of court decisions and precedents, rather than on a written code like the Napoleonic Code, forms of which govern most of Continental Europe. Supporters of the so-called "Brexit" agree with de Gaulle that Britain and Europe are a bad fit.

After de Gaulle's resignation in 1969, Britain was allowed to join the EU in 1974, and 67 percent of British voters approved that decision in a 1975 referendum. Britain's economy then was seen as old-fashioned and ailing, dominated by money-losing nationalized steel and auto industries. Europe, after 30 years of fast recovery from war damage (the French still refer to les trente glorieuses), seemed modern and dynamic.

Now the picture is different. Margaret Thatcher's reforms freed up the British economy, while Europe's welfare burdens weighed their economies down. Britain has enjoyed sharp economic and job growth since the 2008 financial crisis; the Continent has zero-growth economies. In pursuit of "ever closer union," most European countries embraced the Euro common currency. Gordon Brown, as chancellor of the exchequer, wisely kept Britain's pound.

Earlier this year, Prime Minister David Cameron negotiated changes in Britain's relationships with the EU. But many Conservatives feel that the changes are not enough. Michael Gove and Iain Duncan Smith, who as cabinet members pressed successfully for major education and welfare reforms, have announced they support "Leave." So does the most telegenic and effervescent British politician, Conservative London Mayor Boris Johnson.

Some observers associate Leave supporters with the anti-immigrant feelings of some Donald Trump voters. But Gove, Duncan Smith and Johnson are not nativists, and recent terrorist attacks in Europe undermine the idea that the EU provides security.

"Remain" supporters predict dire consequences if Leave prevails, and Leave supporters admit that new trade treaties would have to be negotiated. But that's a matter for Britons to sort out.

U.S.-U.K. intelligence and military cooperation would continue, and Britain would remain just one of five NATO members (with the U.S., Estonia, Greece and Poland) spending the required 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense. American elites' sentimental attachment to a United Europe is understandable. But we can live happily with Britain whether it Leaves or Remains.


TOPICS: Editorial; Germany; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; belgium; brussels; cologne; conservativeparty; davidcameron; europeanunion; france; germany; jeanmonnet; jeremycorbyn; labour; labourparty; margaretthatcher; nato; nigelfarage; pegida; tories; ukip; unitedkingdom; waronterror
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1 posted on 04/01/2016 5:22:22 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
The longer the Brits stay in the EU the more sovereignty they lose.
2 posted on 04/01/2016 5:28:45 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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The EU is mostly about a path that Germany’s Merkel has chosen. If the UK likes that path and being a second-player in the EU chain, then fine.


3 posted on 04/01/2016 5:33:52 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Kaslin

If they go there will be trouble.
And if they stay it will be double.


4 posted on 04/01/2016 5:36:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ops33

They might want to put a big inspection and customs facility on the French end of the Chunnel, too.


5 posted on 04/01/2016 5:42:47 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: dfwgator

“Should I stay, or should I go?”

Kind of catchy, that little jingle.


6 posted on 04/01/2016 5:49:08 AM PDT by alloysteel (If I considered the consequences of my actions, I would rarely do anything.)
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To: Kaslin

They will not be deciding whether or not Britain will leave the European Union.

They will be deciding whether or not Britain will leave the European Union yet.


7 posted on 04/01/2016 5:53:59 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Little Ray
They might want to put a big inspection and customs facility on the French end of the Chunnel, too.

Ever ridden the Chunnel train? Leaving from London announcements are made in English and repeated in French. About halfway through the tunnel the announcements are then in French and repeated in English.

8 posted on 04/01/2016 5:57:49 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Kaslin
in a 1975 referendum. Britain's economy then was seen as old-fashioned and ailing, dominated by money-losing nationalized steel and auto industries... Now the picture is different. Margaret Thatcher's reforms freed up the British economy, while Europe's welfare burdens weighed their economies down.

I was stationed there in 1975 and verify this description as accurate.

9 posted on 04/01/2016 6:00:52 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: libertylover
Now the picture is different. Margaret Thatcher's reforms freed up the British economy, while Europe's welfare burdens weighed their economies down.

And the Left has never forgiven Thatcher for it.

10 posted on 04/01/2016 6:02:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Kaslin.
farrago -- n. pl. far·ra·goes An assortment or a medley; a conglomeration: "their special farrago of resentments" (William Safire)
"April Fools' Day 2016: Nigel Farage alarms Ukip supporters by 'backing campaign for Britain to remain in EU'"
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11 posted on 04/01/2016 6:03:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Kaslin

Why would any sovereign country with an elected government allow 30+ bureaucrats in Belgium write regulations that supersede the laws of said sovereign government?

GET THE HELL OUT OF THE EU, ENGLAND!


12 posted on 04/01/2016 6:09:26 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: Kaslin
Nigel Farage is one of those leading the fight for Britain to leave the European Union which surprisingly has a lot of crossover appeal.


13 posted on 04/01/2016 6:10:57 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: alloysteel; dfwgator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ

Good music from the clash, and they should play this before the vote to do Brexit or not lol.


14 posted on 04/01/2016 6:13:17 AM PDT by the_individual2014
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To: Little Ray

A few demolition charges would soon sort out the ‘Chunnel’...!!


15 posted on 04/01/2016 6:30:03 AM PDT by davemac.439
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To: Kaslin

Britain, this is the last port call before the EU Titanic sails to its fateful end. Are you going ashore or continuing passage?


16 posted on 04/01/2016 6:38:43 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Kaslin

I hope they leave.

The EU is crumbling


17 posted on 04/01/2016 6:42:11 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: Kaslin

Having a passport from any EU member state allows the holder to freely travel among all member states. Greece, if not continually subsidized, is threatening to issue passports on mass.

What more could a jihadi ask for?


18 posted on 04/01/2016 6:43:01 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Kaslin
"The original idea was to link the French and German economies, to prevent those nations from going to war again as they did with horrendous consequences in 1914 and 1939. In line with the wishes of Jean Monnet, the Frenchman who more than anyone else created the EU, its founding document promised "an ever closer union."

What is not stated here is that was also designed to ensure a permanent socialist administration.

19 posted on 04/01/2016 8:15:45 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: libertylover

Problem is, if the ‘refugees’ reach UK soil, they’re golden.
Need to stop ‘em in France.


20 posted on 04/01/2016 8:51:55 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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