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Trump: Armed teachers could have stopped Oregon massacre
CNN ^ | Oct 4 2015 | Eugene Scott

Posted on 10/04/2015 8:14:44 PM PDT by WilliamIII

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Saturday that had teachers been armed at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, the deadly shooting there this week would not have been as tragic.

Trump has previously cited mental health issues, not guns, as the biggest cause of shootings in the U.S. But his comments on Saturday are his most extensive and emotionally charged about firearms since he launched his campaign in June, as he spoke about his personal gun ownership and elicited his biggest applause of the afternoon in discussing gun rights.

"By the way, it was a gun-free zone," he said at a campaign event in Franklin, Tennessee. "Let me tell you, if you had a couple teachers with guns in that room, you would have been a hell of a lot better off."

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: New York; US: Oregon; US: Tennessee; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016election; 2ndamendment; banglist; donaldtrump; election2016; franklin; guncontrol; guns; newyork; nra; oregon; tennessee; trump; umpqua
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To: randita

“screening students entering a school building would have stopped this killer.”

Or maybe he would have just shot the surprised guard first.
Something like this: http://youtu.be/rAzUi0YCOjc


21 posted on 10/04/2015 8:45:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Everyone entering NRA offices come out alive. Not so Planned Parenthood.)
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To: randita

“Even allowing students to carry, unless they are highly trained, might result in mayhem. Can you imagine a dozen or more students firing in different directions in the same room? Guns in the hands of novices or those uninterested in obtaining the proper training could cause more harm than good.”

I agree here. Police in big cities go through (VERY expensive) shoot/no-shoot training and expend who knows how many bullets practicing and they still make mistakes (as will any human in a life-or-death situation). It’s a room full of people. What if you miss? What if you actually get the perp and the bullet goes through them and hits someone else? Maybe someone else in the next room?

What’s needed here is a little bit of “panic training” for people. In our daily lives most of us face darned few life or death situations. It’s hard for me to believe that people just took it and got killed in that situation (one didn’t, ex-military - but he wasn’t enough).

I wonder what they do in Israel for civilian training.


22 posted on 10/04/2015 8:47:10 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: randita
BS! Arming and training teachers in Israel has worked for Israel since 1974 with even more suicidal idiots around their schools than .

Also, with the wars against the evil bastards in the middle east for decades, we have a lot of trained former military teachers, who are trained to handle weapons in a bad situations.


23 posted on 10/04/2015 8:48:22 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Pass the popcorn, set back/watch the Russians destroy Isis in Syria and Iran doing the same in Iraq)
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To: WilliamIII

Captain Obvious makes another grand declaration? wow..


24 posted on 10/04/2015 8:48:28 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: WilliamIII

Imagine what the combat vet, who got shot 7 times trying to get to the shooter, could have done with a gun.


25 posted on 10/04/2015 8:49:13 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: jospehm20
Can you imagine a dozen or more students firing in different directions in the same room? “

Can you imagine a dozen or more students firing into the perp at the same time?

26 posted on 10/04/2015 8:51:33 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republican Freed the Slaves" month.)
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To: randita
Also, screening students entering a school building would have stopped this killer.

If all the screeners were armed (with real guns.)

27 posted on 10/04/2015 8:51:33 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: WilliamIII

Whatever. Enough of this liberal Clinton lover already!


28 posted on 10/04/2015 8:56:56 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: randita

Silly, you. We shouldn’t have these huge dehumanizing “group think” factories anyhow and allow strangers to brainwash our children with Billy Ayers/Zinn (Marxist) curricula-—we don’t need this antiquated system of mass indoctrination.

And ALL people should be able to defend themselves and others (like in Switzerland-—all should be issued guns and learn to use them-—

All children should have to learn how to safely handle guns and use them. It is a Real Life skill and in today’s world, it is necessary for survival and self-defense since we are allowing all these fatherless feral kids to roam free.

Do you honestly “think” that Lincoln wouldn’t have been able to handle someone trying to shoot him in the classroom???? Not that he went to one-—for more than a month in his lifetime-——But REALLY-——people are killing people because these children were raised outside the Natural Family and Virtue and God are eliminated from all curricula now.... as all behaviors and attitudes are learned and practiced (embedded). This boy was not parented-—or taught to be a virtuous functioning adult.

This “shooter” had no loving father and mother who gave a da*n about him-—and so they become haters (of self/God) and take it out on everyone else.

Virtue is learned-—and without Virtue, civil society collapses.


29 posted on 10/04/2015 8:57:07 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: WilliamIII
They don't even have to necessarily be armed. It just has to be known that they could be armed. Every school should require it's teachers to get trained and a CCW. They don't have to be required to be armed. The existence of CCWs must, of course, be publicly known.

Hannity keeps insisting that each school should have an armed guard. He is not comfortable with teachers having CCWs. That is not intelligent but fits in with his total lack of understanding of the 2nd Amd. It would be more expensive and would set the armed guard up to be the first dead body in an attack. The glory seeker knows there is only one armed person and knows who he is.

31 posted on 10/04/2015 9:01:44 PM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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To: Artcore

thanks for sharing


32 posted on 10/04/2015 9:02:54 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Even with all the uncertainty, it also heightens the uncertainty level for the attacker too. The point is that fewer people will even WANT to attack a fortified school, as much as that there is a good chance to defend that school if in spite of all an attack happens.


33 posted on 10/04/2015 9:03:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Aria

Why did the vet obey? He had the right idea. The fact that he stood down indicates that he was not really cherishing the idea of facing the bad guy and was glad of an excuse. If so he should have kept his mouth shut.


34 posted on 10/04/2015 9:04:08 PM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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To: Artcore; MeshugeMikey

People prayed to the Lord for years for help. The politicians with the good ideas had no power, and the politicians with the power had no good ideas.

The Lord raised up Donald Trump.

People said Lord, Donald Trump is not what we had in mind, could you please give us a do-over?

And God is like, SMHIH (shaking My head in heaven).


35 posted on 10/04/2015 9:05:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Grampa Dave
I'm sorry I clicked on this thread with all the LIEberal trolls on board. Have a good evening Dave, trying to make sense with LIEberals.


36 posted on 10/04/2015 9:05:31 PM PDT by Daffynition (*We are not descended from fearful men*)
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To: Artcore

That happens a lot, on the Trump threads. These supposed Cruz - or other candidates - supporters primarily seem attracted to Trump threads where they bash EVERY single thing he says, or does.

Funny how they just can’t stay away from the Trump threads....it’s like an addiction, or something.

If their candidate is so wonderful, you’d think they’d stay on those threads singing his/her praises.

I don’t see Trump supporters going on to the Cruz threads bashing Cruz, obsessively (like a few *other candidate* folks do on Trump threads). Makes ya wonder if they really have a dog in this hunt.


37 posted on 10/04/2015 9:06:39 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Artcore

allow me to direct your attention to another post which apparently expressed the same sense to this matter

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3344712/posts?page=3#3

the poster “stated” duh

the difference between posting the single word...DUCH....and calling the would be candidate from NYC Captain Obvious..... is merely STYLISTIC

and do please at least try to maintain a modicum of decorum and a civil tongue in your head..if your able.

DUH


38 posted on 10/04/2015 9:08:29 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: Jane Long

The really weird thing is that there is a LOT of room for cooperation of Trump and “conventional conservatives.” Trump is not a hard sell on a genuinely good idea, and this is a prime example of it.

Mocking about “Captain Obvious” is being carried out in tandem with pissing and moaning over the perversity of the Obamaist crowd, with scarcely a sense of irony.

The old story of how God sent a 4x4 truck, a boat, and a helicopter (each in turn refused) to the flood besieged man who was sure that God would save him, comes to mind.


39 posted on 10/04/2015 9:10:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Irony deficient blood?


40 posted on 10/04/2015 9:11:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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