Thanks george76.
Posted on 09/22/2015 11:17:09 AM PDT by george76
Construction workers in California's Santa Cruz mountains were subject to a surprise delay last week when a team of archaeologists took over the site to remove an ancient whale fossil.
The project site was expected to have a high potential for archaeological finds, so a monitor was assigned to the Scotts Valley development and found the fossil amid construction vehicles on Sept. 4.
This project site is not the only one in California with fossils
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Since the 19th century, paleontologists have been studying the “Sharktooth Hill Bone Bed” near Bakersfield, California, where fossils and bones of ancient whales, seals, dolphins, sharks, and fish have been uncovered.
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At 25 feet long, the archaeologists assigned to the project believe the remains belong to a mysticete whale, an ancient ancestor of the baleen whale.
(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...
Some of it has already, that is why they are uncovered. Eventually, it will all be eroded away. But that is eventually on a geological time scale.
Thanks george76.
“All oilfields are formed from sedimentary basins.”
“All sedimentary basins are form by sediments that flowed from higher elevations.”
How deep has oil been discovered? I had the impression oil has been discovered several miles down. Are we to think that 2 or 3 miles of rock sediments have been deposited atop the oil sediments? Even on a geologic timescale, that beggers belief.
Do you think oil creation could also be abiotic? The gaseous planets contain methane, so I wonder if oil might be found there as well?
All is in sedimentary basins. We have many sedimentary basins, oil producing and not, that are many miles deep.
1 inch per thousand years, for 400 million years is over six miles deep.
Thinking in geological time frames is not normal for those of us not in geology. If you ignore the oil part and just learn geology, the oil part is easier to then understand.
Methane exists in abiotic formation in planets without sufficient oxygen. In those locations, methane, ethane etc depending on the ratio of hydrogen and carbon, is the lowest energy state for those atoms to form into molecules after cooling from a big bang event.
But simple methane, ethane is a far cry from the Paraffins, Naphthenes, Aromatics, Asphaltics hydrcarbons found in crude oil, plus Sulfur, Nitrogen, some CO and/or CO2, iron, nickel, vanadium and salts. Each oil field has a different composition and oil in the same surface location will have quite different characteristics at different layers, each under its own cap rock that doesn’t allow it to migrate higher.
Also crude oil contains biotic markers like microfossils of Foraminifera and the like. More on that can be found:
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/fosrec/ONeill.html
The whales drowned???
Ok hot shot you explain it!
“Another thing that got forgotten was the fact that against all probability a sperm whale had suddenly been called into existence several miles above the surface of an alien planet.And since this is not a naturally tenable position for a whale, this poor innocent creature had very little time to come to terms with its identity as a whale before it then had to come to terms with not being a whale any more.
This is a complete record of its thoughts from the moment it began its life till the moment it ended it.
Ah … ! What’s happening? it thought.Er, excuse me, who am I?
Hello?
Why am I here? What’s my purpose in life?
What do I mean by who am I?
Calm down, get a grip now … oh! this is an interesting sensation, what is it? It’s a sort of … yawning, tingling sensation in my … my … well I suppose I’d better start finding names for things if I want to make any headway in what for the sake of what I shall call an argument I shall call the world, so let’s call it my stomach.
Good. Ooooh, it’s getting quite strong. And hey, what’s about this whistling roaring sound going past what I’m suddenly going to call my head? Perhaps I can call that … wind! Is that a good name? It’ll do … perhaps I can find a better name for it later when I’ve found out what it’s for. It must be something very important because there certainly seems to be a hell of a lot of it. Hey! What’s this thing? This … let’s call it a tail – yeah, tail. Hey! I can can really thrash it about pretty good can’t I? Wow! Wow! That feels great! Doesn’t seem to achieve very much but I’ll probably find out what it’s for later on. Now – have I built up any coherent picture of things yet?
No.
Never mind, hey, this is really exciting, so much to find out about, so much to look forward to, I’m quite dizzy with anticipation …
Or is it the wind?
There really is a lot of that now isn’t it?
And wow! Hey! What’s this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like … ow … ound … round … ground! That’s it! That’s a good name – ground!
I wonder if it will be friends with me?
And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence.
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.”
-PJ
Underground springs.
Excerpts from Earth in Upheaval, Whales in the Mountains by Velikovsky, pp 46-49
Bones of whale have been found 440 feet above sea level, north of Lake Ontario; a skeleton of another whale was discovered in Vermont, more than 500 feet above sea level; and still another in the Montreal-Quebec area, about 600 feet above sea level. Although the Humphrey whale and beluga occasionally enter the mouth of the St. Lawrence, they do not climb hills.
To account for the presence of whales in the hills of Vermont and Montreal, at elevations of 500 and 600 feet, requires the lowering of the land to that extent. The accepted theory is that the land in the region of Montreal and Vermont was depressed more than 600 feet by the weight of ice and kept in this position for a while after the ice melted. Another solution would be for an ocean tide, carrying the whales, to have trespassed upon the land.
But along the coast of Nova Scotia and New England stumps of trees stand in water, telling of once forested country that (has since become) submerged. And opposite the mouths of the St. Lawrence and the Hudson rivers are deep (land) canyons stretching for hundreds of miles into the ocean. These indicate that the land (has become) sea, being depressed in post-glacial times. Then did both processes go on simultaneously, in neighboring areas, here up, there down?
Agreed, and no telling how much time passed between the tanking, triggered by Satan’s initial rebellion, and the recreation.
You got that right Bro. IMO, the time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 is where these million of years and dinosaurs all go...
Absolutely.
A) Creation... unknown long time passes... Rebellion & destruction... unknow amount of time pass... (second) Creation
B) Big Bang... lots of time passes, and stuff happens
I Choose A.
I guess the way I put it together is...
1) In the beginning God created heaven and earth (Gen 1:1).
Looks like a complete picture of initial creation. Somewhere in the following millions/billions of years, Lucifer rebelled ( I think that’s where the Big Bang comes in) and God’s creation is darkened and messed up, dinosaurs and other stuff show up. Consequently, at some point during these millions/billions years...
2) ...the earth is without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep (Gen 1:2a).
Then at some point...
3) ...the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters(Gen 1:2b).
God’s (re-creation starts). I truly believe it’s been about 6000 years since the creation of man. There is NO evidence of man’s existence before 6000 years (scant-to-none before Noah’s flood 5000 years ago which is around when the earliest records of history began to appear). Lots of eons-old fossils but no true fossils of man other than the those proven to be fraudulent.
It’s an interesting subject but not germane to the issue of today: redemption through Christ.
Much of the coast of British Columbia and Alaska have risen as much as 400 feet above sea level since the peak of the ice age. That’s just 18,000 to 20,000 years.
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WOA. That’s a gallop in geologic time....are you sure? Really, that’s huge. It means all kinds of geologically immense things are in the offing.
Hmm. Well do scientists know what part of that is glacial spring back?
“Question: If it was Noah’s flood where did all of that extra water come from and where did it all go?”
I’m not sure if this is what did happen, but if God can create the universe, all that is visible and invisible, He can certainly produce a little water at need and get rid of it after.
Or whale fossils.
“Or whale fossils.”
He would certainly be able, but Descartes took care of the Evil Deceiver problem over three hundred years ago.
I really think even scientists should be required to take Philosophy 101.
“Well do scientists know what part of that is glacial spring back?”
So far I as recall when we were in Alaska on a family trip they said that the 400 feet thing was all glacial ‘rebound’.
So the Earth really is 4.5 billion years old.
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