Posted on 09/04/2015 1:44:26 PM PDT by z taxman
Edited on 09/04/2015 1:48:12 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Washington (CNN)Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Friday that he wished a Kentucky county clerk, Kim Davis, was not jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, but he added that the Supreme Court has ruled and it is "the law of the land."
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You too. Have a great BBQ filled weekend!
“Should we enforce that, Don?”
How has that worked out?
“Trump for what he really is to the Trump Bots, then what will?”
Nothing... He is an American. Nothing more nothing less.
I think we have Trump because I don’t think ANY of the others will beat the Republocrats
that’s your opinion but I disagree. Cruz could defeat the Libs. He managed to do it in Texas.
Many folks really don't care.
Some of them post on FR.
Slavery was the law of the land and ruled on by the SCOTUS too. ‘Nuff said.
It matters not to some how liberal Donald Trump is (I know this to be true because several have said so). He said he will build a wall and they are sold.
It's one thing that they push this flaming leftist in this conservative forum. They compound their stupidity by attacking real conservatives who haven't fallen for it. I can take it, it's just sad to see.
I thoroughly agree. In fact I sent him a brief note with a couple of suggestions - (no, I don’t expect him to read them!)one being that he sit down with Mark Levin for a private course in the Constitution and what liberty is about.
I think Trump cares about America, but don’t have the sense he’s spent time thinking about the role of government in the lives of citizens. For a conservative, which he’s not (but possibly could be educated to become) this is a matter of great importance. I think Trump is a doer, not a thinker. He’s used to finding ways to make his goals real. If elected, the learning curve will be enormous and often baffling for him.
Regardless, this is a more thought-provoking election cycle than we’ve had in years! Even though we’re squabbling here at FR, I think it’s good for us. We’re having to look at what we believe, what we think matters most, and what we may be willing to set aside for awhile...
Trump has not been my 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice, maybe even further down the line, we will see but in an election, I’d give him my vote.
Trump takes a lot of shots for being so outspoken, is obviously a fighter and uses simple language to get across points, he is very forceful and a good speaker, to me at least. These are the kinds of things people like including myself though again, he is not among my top choices. He perhaps needs to be a bit more keen, that question by Hewitt, I heard Trump did “okay”. A lot of everything is about action that Trump has rather than just words.
Well, what he’s doing and what Trump fans like MSNBC is doing. I watched some of their programming last night because I do random things like that on occasion. Every show, Trump was the lead story, and almost the sole story, or at least the dominant one, on several of them. No, they weren’t praising him. But even though they were kind of laughing at him, they weren’t really burying him either. They were keeping him front and center on everybody’s mind while ignoring literally every other candidate for the most part.
I did think, begrudgingly, that they had a point about what was handed out at his press conference if that was the main piece to it. Unless they purposefully glossed over that(which is possible, it’s MSNBC) in his campaign packet were no policy papers, no information on his campaign, no proposals or issues. It was screen shots from political and news shows which showed how he was doing in the polls.
But anyway, Trump at best is a guy trying to learn how to be a conservative. At worst he’s a liar pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes. Those quotes from zman aren’t all from “years ago”. His admiration for the Canadian healthcare system wasn’t. His Planned Parenthood remarks aren’t. Obviously this isn’t. He inevitably falls backward into liberalism or at best “mushy moderatism” when he gets stuck on something.
But even with that, I wouldn’t care so much if it weren’t for a few things. If people like Trump, good for them. But the believing him on his words only because “he’s not a politician”, defending him like he’s your favorite uncle or even your dad when someone criticizes him, and rationalizing and deflecting from EVERY SINGLE POINT OF CRITICISM of the man, and the veritable hero worship, well that’s all a bit creepy and concerning to me.
What’s he supposed to do? Take his bacon wrapped rifle and bust her out?
Ted Cruz is not going to get her out of jail.
I’d agree it would be a nice touch for him to go there and visit her or support her. I hope he does that actually.
What I’m not going to do is criticize him because he didn’t drop whatever else he had to do in order to book it to Kentucky today.
I wouldn’t criticize any of the candidates for that. And to be honest, if certain candidates (Jeb, Lindsey Graham, heck maybe even Rand Paul) made a special effort to do that even several of us here would probably look at it as pandering.
How can we help you?
Thanks for posting ,thought I was losing my mind! Saw this earlier this morning somewhere and could not find it! Thanks Again!
There may be a hope that Trump can be “cheered” into being something more in touch with the will of the people than he currently is.
Current events are putting that to the test. If it proves untrue of Trump, then the cheering will become jeering and Trump will have had his day. I am not going to prejudge events however. This is definitely not politics as normal.
This problem and the answer was noted a long time ago. We now we see the results of non Christian government and society.
John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating,
“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams is a signer of the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and our second President.
Noah Webster, author of the first American Speller and the first Dictionary said,
“[T]he Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. . . . and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence.”
Gouverneur Morris, Penman and Signer of the Constitution. “[F]or avoiding the extremes of despotism or anarchy . . . the only ground of hope must be on the morals of the people. I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals and that morals are the only possible support of free governments. [T]herefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God.”
John Jay, Original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court ,
“The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts.”
Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Declaration of Independence “[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”
“Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof.” Continental Congress, 1778
John Adams
SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; JUDGE; DIPLOMAT; ONE OF TWO SIGNERS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; SECOND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
Patrick Henry
Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
John Witherspoon
Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Clergyman and President of Princeton University
“While we give praise to God, the Supreme Disposer of all events, for His interposition on our behalf, let us guard against the dangerous error of trusting in, or boasting of, an arm of flesh ... If your cause is just, if your principles are pure, and if your conduct is prudent, you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts.
“What follows from this? That he is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind.
“Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy of his country.”
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.
Are you pulling our legs... he’s been kind of shy.
“The clerk came up with a common sense approach. Just remove her signature from the form and she will issue them.”
Well that may solve the immediate problem for the clerk but how does it solve the problem for our country? The problem is much bigger than just Davis and needs to be dealt with and talked about by those who wish to become POTUS.
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