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Builders battle California city ordinance making them pay for public art
Guardian ^ | Aug 2 2015 | Joseph Mayton

Posted on 08/02/2015 12:38:54 PM PDT by WilliamIII

A legal battle has broken out in Oakland, California, over whether construction companies should be forced to pay for public art in building projects.

An alliance of firms in Oakland is suing the city over laws that came into effect in February forcing them to spend between 0.5% and 1% of any project’s budget on public art.

There are more than 200 such public art ordinances across the United States and construction bosses will be closely monitoring the outcome of the lawsuit. Artists in Oakland, meanwhile, are fearful that a victory for the firms will be a defeat for culture in a city which has seen an influx of artists in recent years, and damage its status.

The Building Industry Association of the Bay Area (BIA), a group that represents about 300 builders, contractors, suppliers and others within the Bay Area housing sector, claim the rules violate the first amendment and the fifth amendment protection against “uncompensated takings”.

“Public art adds value to our life,” visual and performance artist Johanna Poethig said, describing the lawsuit as a “backwards step”. She said: “Any sophisticated city has art and the amount spent is not a lot … and [art] makes people want to live there.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2016election; california; carlyfiorina; election2016; johannapoethig; josephmayton; nancypelosi; oakland
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1 posted on 08/02/2015 12:38:55 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

Defeat for culture...

What a lie.

What they are afraid of, is that developers will get to keep their money, and the artists won’t be gifted with it instead.


2 posted on 08/02/2015 12:42:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Moving day: June 16th, 2015. LEFT >>>HOPE and CHANGE>>> RIGHT / [DOPE and STRANGE stay home].)
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To: WilliamIII

Public Art, especially in affordable housing projects provides a venue for taggers to practice and perfect their own public art.


3 posted on 08/02/2015 12:44:41 PM PDT by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: WilliamIII

If it ads value then the market would demand it.


4 posted on 08/02/2015 12:48:46 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: WilliamIII

Those places that have such ordinances are usually festooned with very mediocre art, but a number of artists who don’t need to work very hard.


5 posted on 08/02/2015 12:51:03 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: WilliamIII

>>Artists in Oakland, meanwhile, are fearful that a victory for the firms will be a defeat for culture in a city which has seen an influx of artists in recent years, and damage its status.

If you need the government to force people (ultimately at gunpoint) to use your art, then your art is crap.


6 posted on 08/02/2015 12:56:29 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: arthurus

“Public Art, especially in affordable housing projects provides a venue for taggers to practice and perfect their own public art.”

How true. Of course, the builders won’t eat this, they will just pass it along.

So, effectively, this is a tax to support starving artists. But that doesn’t seem as palatable, does it?


7 posted on 08/02/2015 1:24:35 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: WilliamIII
California public art:

$500,000 taxpayer dollars to make a graven image of a murderous pagan god.

And it's ugly, too.

8 posted on 08/02/2015 1:26:05 PM PDT by null and void (If the government can't protect the Marines, how can we expect it to protect us?)
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To: WilliamIII

Artists who use canvas to display their art pay for it out of their own pockets.


9 posted on 08/02/2015 1:27:40 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> “Public art adds value to our life,” visual and performance artist Johanna Poethig said...

...meaning that it adds to the income of self-described artists, while putting the gubmint imprimatur on what is and isn’t art.


10 posted on 08/02/2015 1:32:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: WilliamIII

“Public art” should just be abolished


11 posted on 08/02/2015 1:38:00 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: WilliamIII

Oakland will have a Kim Jong-Un statue any day now


12 posted on 08/02/2015 1:38:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: WilliamIII

Don’t they just pass the costs on to the customer? Any fool that wants to build in these liberal fiefdoms deserves to pay through the nose.


13 posted on 08/02/2015 1:50:06 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: DoughtyOne

Why don’t these developers get smart and set up shell companies to do the artwork?


14 posted on 08/02/2015 1:53:03 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: SunkenCiv
...visual and performance artist...

Reminds me of that scene from the Charlie Sheen/Angie Harmon movie in where the "artiste" fills himself up with paint, and blasts a canvas in front of a live audience.

15 posted on 08/02/2015 1:54:55 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: rbg81

For the same reason you don’t hang art in a home that’s just been built. The new occupants will.


16 posted on 08/02/2015 1:57:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Moving day: June 16th, 2015. LEFT >>>HOPE and CHANGE>>> RIGHT / [DOPE and STRANGE stay home].)
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To: rbg81

For the same reason you don’t hang art in a home that’s just been built. The new occupants will.

That may been somewhat simplistic, since some developers will likely manage the property.

At some point they may put up art. If they don’t wind up being the managers of the property, why should they put something up.

This make work for those the local libs want to keep on the reservation.


17 posted on 08/02/2015 1:59:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Moving day: June 16th, 2015. LEFT >>>HOPE and CHANGE>>> RIGHT / [DOPE and STRANGE stay home].)
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To: WilliamIII
Public "art" is almost universally repellant.

Patrons of this creepy "art" typically justify the edginess or downright offensiveness of the pieces by saying that the purpose is to make people think, even if it makes them uncomfortable.

Of course, it's typically the lefty stuff that we are supposed to "think" about.

18 posted on 08/02/2015 2:01:24 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: WilliamIII
A sample of Ms Poethig's 'art'

Johanna Poethig in Public Space

Imagine a bright-blue-eyed four-month-old baby girl traveling with missionaries to the Philippines. Picture her growing up and attending an alternative school in Manila filled with many friends who encourage her to engage in the vibrant art community. In her teenage years, she returns to the United States to learn as much about muralism as possible in Chicago, later venturing to the West Coast and settling in the Bay Area.....

-- snip --

19 posted on 08/02/2015 2:07:25 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: null and void
a giant turd???
20 posted on 08/02/2015 2:07:57 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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