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No Wonder Obama Won’t Let Us Read TPP
Eagle Forum ^ | June 17, 2015 | by Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 06/17/2015 2:40:05 PM PDT by familyop

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To: conservativejoy

Oh, and NAFTA has stopped us from labeling the country of origin on our meat, but TPP is supposed to be much more proactively restrictive.


61 posted on 06/18/2015 11:12:02 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I read a timeline that claimed that. Doing a search showed that the claim that TPP is almost complete has been said going back to 2013. I don’t know when it will be complete, but when it is, if we have TPA, we will get to review it for 60 days before the President can sign it. Once he signs it, Congress has another 30 days to study it and vote.


62 posted on 06/18/2015 11:20:24 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy

Yeah, but with TPA we took away Congress’s real power over it—a two-thirds senate vote. And, they wouldn’t have pushed TPA through if TPP weren’t ready. I fully expect them now to ram through TiSA and TiPS, or whatever it is called now, sooner rather than later as well.


63 posted on 06/18/2015 11:29:39 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Please see Post “TPP Trade Deal Could Br Pushed Into 2017”.


64 posted on 06/18/2015 11:45:30 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy

An old article that still put the odds at better than 50/50, based on concern that the TPA wouldn’t pass the House—which it still did.


65 posted on 06/18/2015 11:54:30 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

The article was updated 3 days ago.


66 posted on 06/18/2015 12:07:23 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy

Where?


67 posted on 06/18/2015 12:10:42 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: CedarDave
...to prevent the implementation of a treaty...

The very thing many on FR have been railing against!

68 posted on 06/19/2015 8:27:58 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: conservativejoy
There is a clause in the 2015 version of TPA that reinforces the sovereignty of our laws which cannot be undermined by anything in trade agreements.

This is what the bill says on sovereignty...

H.R.1314 - Trade Act of 2015

SEC. 108. Sovereignty.

(a) United States law To prevail in event of conflict.—No provision of any trade agreement entered into under section 103(b), nor the application of any such provision to any person or circumstance, that is inconsistent with any law of the United States, any State of the United States, or any locality of the United States shall have effect.
(b) Amendments or modifications of United States law.—No provision of any trade agreement entered into under section 103(b) shall prevent the United States, any State of the United States, or any locality of the United States from amending or modifying any law of the United States, that State, or that locality (as the case may be).
(c) Dispute settlement reports.—Reports, including findings and recommendations, issued by dispute settlement panels convened pursuant to any trade agreement entered into under section 103(b) shall have no binding effect on the law of the United States, the Government of the United States, or the law or government of any State or locality of the United States.

Any comment?

69 posted on 06/19/2015 8:42:24 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 9YearLurker

See 69 for reference.


70 posted on 06/19/2015 8:43:09 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I knew that language had been included. I would like to read the Cruz/Sessions immigration language.

I think that in addition to what was already in previous TPA bills, this should reassure those concerned about our sovereignty being compromised. Thank you for posting this.


71 posted on 06/19/2015 8:50:21 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: philman_36

Why is TPP secret? Bush released the text of his trade agreement before requesting a TPA.

Given that recent history, why did the GOP Congress not demand release of a final TPP before approving TPA?

Obama and the GOP were deliberately hiding the facts from the American people and you are supporting those actions?

It’s shameful that the GOP isenabling and standing with Barack Obama but it is what it is. History will note this abdication by the GOP in the face of a lawless POTUS.


72 posted on 06/19/2015 9:11:48 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: 9YearLurker; conservativejoy

I read a timeline that claimed that. Doing a search showed that the claim that TPP is almost complete has been said going back to 2013. I don’t know when it will be complete, but when it is, if we have TPA, we will get to review it for 60 days before the President can sign it.


The Australian trade minister said TPP is basically done and only one week of negotiations are left.

“We are literally one week of negotiation away from completing this extraordinary deal across 12 countries and 40 per cent of the world’s GDP,” said Andrew Robb, Australia’s trade minister.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/17/ryans-misperceptions-on-trade-deal-unveiled-reports-suggest/

FReeper conservativejoy is just trying to minimize the impact of Cruz’s TPA support and enabling of Obamatrade. Gather you own facts before analyzing what the Cruz campaign says because their statements are full of half truths and dissembling.


73 posted on 06/19/2015 9:21:23 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: philman_36

Sounds good. The agreement, of course, would submit new laws on the US. Don’t know, but I’d expect there’d be other terms of the agree established by international mechanisms on a continuing basis, and section (c) only pertains to dispute mechanisms.

Doesn’t really matter if the “living” agreement language is still in there, since that was simply descriptive of what the nature of these deals is.

And, a larger issue of passage is there. Any of these deals would very much be treaties, so they should require a direct two-thirds vote by the senate. (If we somehow bundle taxes in there, then it should also originate in the house—but still it shouldn’t reduce any vote requirements of the senate.

I’m all for free trade, but I am not in an way for this move toward overlapping, EU-like regional quasi-governments—so I’m not sure what language could be added to TPA to make me favor it.


74 posted on 06/19/2015 9:28:31 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: conservativejoy

I’m curious—how can it be Cruz/Sessions language, since Sessions still opposes TPA? (Jeff Sessions, that is.)


75 posted on 06/19/2015 9:50:40 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: lodi90

Thanks.

And I agree, Cruz and his campaign insulting our intelligence with bogus arguments on this is even more problematic than his support of it.


76 posted on 06/19/2015 9:51:52 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Cruz and Sessions conferred together in the writing of it.


77 posted on 06/19/2015 10:06:24 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy

Can you steer me to an article on that?


78 posted on 06/19/2015 10:29:58 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

It was in a speech Cruz gave and I’m trying to determine which one. He said that he had conferred with Sessions on the Amendment to the Senate bill. That Amendment did not get voted on, but he said that the language would likely be included in the House bill, which is what happened.


79 posted on 06/19/2015 10:57:25 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy
I would like to read the Cruz/Sessions immigration language.

S.Amdt.1384 to S.Amdt.1221 (a little over 1/2 way down) [Page S3081/2]
SA 1384. Mr. HATCH (for Mr. Cruz (for himself, Mr. Grassley, Mr. Sullivan, Mr. Cotton, Mr. Isakson, Mr. Boozman, and Mr. Inhofe)) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 1221 proposed by Mr. Hatch to the bill H.R. 1314, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide for a right to an administrative appeal relating to adverse determinations of tax-exempt status of certain organizations; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

At the end of section 102(a), add the following:

(14) to ensure that trade agreements do not require changes to the immigration laws of the United States.

As you can see from the bill text link I gave section 102(a) ends at (13). There is no (14).

Keep in mind the dates...
06/12/2015 On motion to concur in portion of Senate amendment preceding title II Agreed to by recorded vote: 219 - 211

I can't find anything more current, even on Thomas.

80 posted on 06/19/2015 11:30:36 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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