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How the English language became such a mess
BBC News ^ | June 8, 2015 | James Harbeck

Posted on 06/09/2015 6:37:00 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

First, the greed: invasion and theft. The Romans invaded Britain in the 1st Century AD and brought their alphabet; in the 7th Century, the Angles and Saxons took over, along with their language. Starting in the 9th Century, Vikings occupied parts of England and brought some words (including they, displacing the Old English hie).

Then the Norman French conquered in 1066 – and replaced much of the vocabulary with French, including words which over time became beef, pork, invade, tongue and person.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: english; epigraphyandlanguage; french; german; godsgravesglyphs; language
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To: Jonty30

“The Dutch determined our grammar structure.”

Frisians?


21 posted on 06/09/2015 7:17:20 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

I’m not sure. It’s just been noted that the English language is very similar to Dutch in its grammar rules. It’s assumed it came from them when they ruled England for a bit.


22 posted on 06/09/2015 7:24:08 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wait ‘til the BBC finds out that across the pond English is being replaced by Spanglish and Ebonics.


23 posted on 06/09/2015 7:24:21 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: oincobx

My personal favorite is the fact that when a house burns down it also burns up.

And flammable and inflammable mean the same thing.


24 posted on 06/09/2015 7:24:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: oincobx
English has 205 ways to spell 44 sounds. Consider this - "cat," "kangaroo," "chrome," and "queue" all start with the same sound, and "eight" and "ate" sound identical

The letter "a" can have at least six distinct sounds, as represented by the words Able, Apple, All, Arrow, About, Any. These sounds can vary according to accent and dialect. For example, I pronounce Mary, Marry and Merry exactly the same, but there are those who pronounce each of these words differently.

25 posted on 06/09/2015 7:28:23 PM PDT by Rufii
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To: BenLurkin

GHOTI.......


26 posted on 06/09/2015 7:28:34 PM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I like English because it’s the perfect language for singing. It has a certain neutrality but with just the right amount of germanic crispness. Somehow the basic sound of English just seems well suited to music. I wonder if this is my bias and conditioning talking or if there’s any objective analysis out there that has concluded the same thing.


27 posted on 06/09/2015 7:28:48 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: MinorityRepublican

A friend from Germany said his thinking changed when he learned English. It is so loose, so free, so fluid in a way that German certainly is not. Words can be made up and changed. It is amazingly flexible. I teach ESL adults and kids English, and tutor other subjects as well. I think it is a wonderful language. You can see the history of the people as you study it - “Oh, this is from Norwegian. That is French, that’s why you don’t pronounce the last 4 letters.” Etc.

We have about 100,000 words and THEN the jargon from the different sciences, etc. Spanish - every letter is always pronounced the same, and it is spelled phonetically. There are also about 40,000 words total.

I’ll take English any day to any other language I’ve studied (about 5).


28 posted on 06/09/2015 7:29:35 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
...anyone for gender? (The only true meaning of the word!)

It really makes me mad when I have to fill out a form and it asks for my gender instead of sex. If I am in a rotten mood I will scratch out the word 'gender" and write in "sex."

29 posted on 06/09/2015 7:29:40 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Sherman Logan

Or you could raise the house up.
Or raze it down.


30 posted on 06/09/2015 7:31:06 PM PDT by Reynoldo
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To: Yardstick

It’s the perfect language for writing, too - Shakespeare certainly used it well.


31 posted on 06/09/2015 7:31:12 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: ClearCase_guy; familyop

Say, your uncle wouldn’t be named “Bob”, would he? ;-)


32 posted on 06/09/2015 7:35:06 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: OldMissileer
If I am in a rotten mood I will scratch out the word 'gender" and write in "sex."

Have you ever stopped to think that just maybe, you like sex?

33 posted on 06/09/2015 7:39:54 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew


34 posted on 06/09/2015 7:41:39 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (Enter something.)
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To: Jonty30

“I’m not sure. It’s just been noted that the English language is very similar to Dutch in its grammar rules. It’s assumed it came from them when they ruled England for a bit.”

Following the Roman period, Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians, Belgians came across along probably others.

I remember reading that Olde English took on pronunciation most close to Frisian. Frisia is a region of Holland.

Modern English adds Nordic influences, French, Spanish, even Native American and beyond.

Words from the far reaches of the British Empires flowed back to the home islands.

Grammar is one aspect. Pronunciation is another, and Vocabulary yet another.

My grandfather is said to have learned some “Olde English” as a schoolboy, and showed us but I cannot remember.

I studied German, and can see many similarities in vocabulary and pronunciations.


35 posted on 06/09/2015 7:41:51 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Yardstick

I agree. English also fits nicely around chords/chord changes and notes.


36 posted on 06/09/2015 7:42:44 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: bboop

The German language is a different language. :)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlATOHGj9EY


37 posted on 06/09/2015 7:43:50 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: doc1019
Ain’t nut’n wrong wiff the English language that couldn’t be cured wiff writing in cursive wouldn’t fix.

Sorry, sir. That sounds retarted. We be new skool now.
38 posted on 06/09/2015 7:43:59 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: bboop

True, and for similar reasons probably. I just googled up this brief analysis of why English is good for songwriting:

http://howtowritebetter.net/why-english-is-the-first-language-of-music/

They mention that English is full of short words that pack a lot of meaning and has lots of words that end in a variety of handy vowel sounds for rhyming.

English seems to have a compactness and efficiency that lets you turn a nice crisp phrase more readily than other languages.


39 posted on 06/09/2015 7:45:25 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: the OlLine Rebel
If there is one thing I would change, it would be the alphabet we use. 1 letter for every sound. “A” has so many versions, e.g.

Only problem is we would probably end up with 75 letters.

The number would depend on how many different variations we chose to represent.

Another potential problem is dialectal: even within the same country, different dialects and accents use different pronunciations. Which pronunciations do we follow in devising a "phonetic" alphabet? I imagine a range of solutions, each of which sacrifices something.

Even so, I probably would prefer an English alphabet that at least better represented different vowels.

40 posted on 06/09/2015 7:49:50 PM PDT by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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