Pro-life groups, politicians hail House passage of 20-week abortion ban

Life Site News ^ | May 13, 2015 | Dustin Siggins

[AuH2ORepublican]

“Not absolutely certain who the 9 aisle=crossers are. And about 8 more absent. “
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Based on my recollection of past votes, here are my guesses on the aisle-crossers:

Pro-abortion “Republicans” that voted against the 20-week abortion ban:

Richard Hanna (NY-22)

Bob Dold (IL-10)

Charlie Dent (PA-15)

Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ-11)

Pro-Life Democrats that voted for the ban:

Dan Lipinski (IL-03)

Collin Peterson (MN-07)

Henry Cuellar (TX-28) (he sometimes votes pro-abortion, but wouldn’t oppose a bill like this)

One of the Democrats that occasionally vote pro-life (likeliest candidates are Stephen Lynch of MA-08, Sanford Bishop of GA-02, Jim Langevin of RT-02 and Marcy Kaptur of OH-09)

Pro-life Republican that voted Present because the bill wasn’t pro-life enough:

Rob Woodall (GA-07) (who joined Paul Broun in voting against a similar bill a couple of years ago because it didn’t ban abortions after 20 weeks)

OK, I just checked out the tally: http://capwiz.com/nrlc/issues/votes/?votenum=223&chamber=H&congress=1141

I was correct about the four pro-abortion “Republicans.”

I was correct about the three pro-life Democrats, and the fourth Democrat to vote for it was Langevin (hopefully this means that he’s returning to the pro-life fold after voting mostly pro-abortion for most of the past decade)

And it was a different GA conservative Republican that voted Present: freshman Jody Hice of GA-10 (Broun’s successor). I guess that Woodall realized that voting for the bill would di a lot more for eventually banning all abortion than to vote against it or to vote Present.

[campaignPete R-CT]

you are a whiz kid. Now, can you come up with a rebuttal to the cynics on this thread who seem to advocate a “do-nothing strategy” because doing anything indicates one is unaware of how bad our political situation is?

The Gospel: it cuts to the heart like a 2-edge sort. Except when dealing with a cynic.

FYI:
absent were 4 DEMS (Capps of CA, Hinojosa of TX, Brady & Boyle of PA) and one GOP (Barletta of PA) and by tradition Speaker Boehner does not vote.

[Impy]

I see Hice is another Mac Genius like Broun, just as I suspected.

And he (Hice) once said "abortion is worse than Hitler".

And here he votes "Obama" I mean "Present" on replacing Hitler with Mussolini.

[Yashcheritsiy]

Democrats, Renee Ellmers hit hardest.

[RKBA Democrat]

This bill is evil and I don’t support it. I’ll let others comment on the cheap political deal aspects of this and how it serves to once again keep conservatives on the plantation. I would rather discuss the evil that underpins it.

So what this bill would do if it becomes law, is to make abortions illegal after 20 weeks. However, abortions are just fine up to 19.9999 weeks. So let me ask our esteemed supporters of ProLife, Inc. a question: what right do you have to make a horsetrade to exchange the lives of a small number of babies by effectively authorizing the extermination of the many?

If you ever wanted to see a deal with the devil in all its damnable glory, this is it. All it’s missing is the belch of brimstone.

[wagglebee]

So what this bill would do if it becomes law, is to make abortions illegal after 20 weeks. However, abortions are just fine up to 19.9999 weeks. So let me ask our esteemed supporters of ProLife, Inc. a question: what right do you have to make a horsetrade to exchange the lives of a small number of babies by effectively authorizing the extermination of the many?

Excellent post!

This bill is nothing more than an effort by those who CLAIM to be pro-life to legalize and legitimize abortion.

Just like the partial birth abortion ban this bill won't actually save a single life and is so full of loopholes that the abortion industry will continue unabated.

Big Murder and ProLife, Inc. are playing the roles of Tom and Jerry in the American Holocaust. Big Murder will collect donations to preserve the "right" to murder and ProLife, Inc. will collect donations to continue passing "and then you can kill the baby" laws.

Either a baby is a person or it isn't. If it's a person it has absolute rights to protect it. If the baby isn't a person, why is it necessary to kill it?

Personhood from the moment of conception until the moment of natural death is the ONLY moral and logical designation.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” This bill is nothing more than an effort by those who CLAIM to be pro-life to legalize and legitimize abortion.”

Exactly

Norm....1,000

[EternalVigilance]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."
-- The Declaration of Independence

This bill pretends that the above first natural moral law principles of our free republic's charter do not exist.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
-- The Preamble, or Statement of Purpose, of the United States Constitution

This bill violates every single clause of those stated purposes.

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."
-- The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
-- The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

This bill is in direct violation of the explicit, imperative equal protection requirements of those two Amendments.

"The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a 'person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment."
-- Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe vs. Wade, 1973

Even Blackmun admitted that if they are a person, "OF COURSE" they are protected by our Constitution. Today the "pro-life movement" admits to the obvious natural fact that they are persons, and then continues to write bills that pretend that they are not, bills which deny equal protection for the supreme right of every person.

"You shall not murder."
-- Exodus 20:13

God has never amended or repealed that imperative command, and it encompasses protection for every single individual person.

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever."
-- Thomas Jefferson

When even the Christians are pushing immoral, unconstitutional, lawless "laws" that grant permission in the statutes to allow the mass slaughter of innocents, as long as they are killed on schedule and by an arbitrary set of man-made rules, be afraid. Be very, very afraid.

[FourtySeven]

If a law was passed that banned all abortions except those done to abort when a woman is raped by her own father, and the developing baby in the womb was implanted incorrectly in the uterus threatening the physical life of the mother, demonstrably so with scientific evidence (ultrasounds showing dangerous hemorrhages and DNA tests proving the father of the woman was the father of her child and forensic evidence demonstrating he raped her)..

...all of which to occur would be less than 0.01ths of one percent of all rape/incest/health of the mother cases...

...even if such a law were passed that saves the lives of literally millions of babies a year...

...some would STILL not be satisfied and would call such a law “evil” because it doesn’t seek to save every baby.

Just sayin’. Also just askin: How many countless millions more must die before we get such a perfect law?

If anyone else can sleep soundly at night willing to sacrifice babies NOW until and unless some future dream occurs (a big IF in today’s “culture” to be sure) well then that’s on them. All I know is, I certainly can’t have that on my conscience.

All I know is, I can’t sleep with my conscience burdened with the fact that I’m not supporting laws that can save at least ONE baby. Because you know what, Mr Purist?

Even ONE life matters, just as much as a billion.

[Norm Lenhart]

Well it would simply be too difficult for them to say “Here’s the deal. Not one bill moves through congress until Abortion ends with Barry’s signature on a bill. Period. No funding, no nothing. Don’t like it? Start recalling. Until then, Pound salt.’ They might get yelled at in the media.

Hardball is quite easy when one believes in something. Dems do it all the time. Then again, Democrats are a more principled people than most GOPe types.

[RKBA Democrat]

Your argument, if I understand it correctly, is to not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

This “deal” isn’t even in the same universe as good. From a practical perspective the bill has gaping holes in it that the abortionists could drive a truck through. It’s feel good legislation that will acccomplish nothing except giving our erstwhile allies, if they can be called such, the opportunity to say “LOOK HERE! We did something to justify the resources we consume!”

I’ve said this before: infanticide will become illegal in the US precisely one month after the last clinic closes for lack of business. It will not be because caesar in his benevolence orders them closed. If caesar was going to act, he would have done so at some time in the last 42 years. It hasn’t happened, and it isn’t going to happen.

[wagglebee]

It’s feel good legislation that will acccomplish nothing except giving our erstwhile allies, if they can be called such, the opportunity to say “LOOK HERE! We did something to justify the resources we consume!”

Imagine the outcry if the NRA was congratulating themselves for keeping BB guns legal, but banning all other fire arms.

Or if 160 years ago the abolitionists had been excited about banning all slave labor between the hours of 10:00 PM and midnight on Sundays.

This is essentially the same thing.

91% of abortions are performed in the FIRST trimester (e.g. 12 weeks or less), nearly ALL are performed before 20 weeks. This law will only apply to a small fraction of abortions and it is full of so many loopholes that it is unlikely to save any lives.

This is just another "and then you can kill the baby law" designed to assist in fundraising for Big Murder and ProLife, Inc.; it has NOTHING to do with saving any lives and serves to codify abortion "rights" rather than abolish abortion.

[RKBA Democrat]

...and the paid flatterers of caesar don’t come cheap!

[EternalVigilance]

Even ONE life matters, just as much as a billion.

Even if to save that ONE life you have to surrender every principle that protects the equal God-given, UNALIENABLE right to life of the billion?

[StoneWall Brigade]

Amazing Post

[Kickass Conservative]

They should have named it the “Roe v Wade Compliance Act”.
That would have set the Libtards off.

Roe v Wade limited Abortion to a Fetus that could not live outside the Womb. A Viable Fetus was protected.

I don’t think they came up with a Gestation limit. The Technological advances in Preemie Care have pushed back the Viability timeline to at least 20 weeks or less.

Have to play the Game to advance the Ball downfield.

[EternalVigilance]

Have to play the Game to advance the Ball downfield.

If that includes codifying permission to kill babies, as this lawless law does, you're in the wrong game.

[wagglebee]

This bill basically says, "It's only murder if doctors think it causes pain, otherwise kill as many as you want."

[EternalVigilance]

Yeah.

“Doctors,” like Joseph Mengele was a “doctor.”

Surely mass murderers will tell the truth, right?

/s

[wagglebee]

It amazes me how many people are duped into thinking that this is a good bill.

The ONLY reason Obama won't sign it is because he wants to keep the issue front and center, he knows perfectly well that it wouldn't actually prevent abortions.